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Title: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: albitz on 29 December 2013, 22:06:23
Been on the news all day that he had a "crash" and banged his head. Now reported that he is in a coma and critical.  :o
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Andy B on 29 December 2013, 22:11:53
Been on the news all day that he had a "crash" and banged his head. Now reported that he is in a coma and critical.  :o

Yes .... just seen that on 10 o'clock news. As you say, it was initially reported that he suffered serious but none critical injuries ........ it appears now that it's more serious than that. And he was wearing head protection too.  :'(
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 29 December 2013, 22:41:38
:( don't like the bloke at all, but I do hope he/or anyone else in a similar position, makes a full recovery. :(
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Rods2 on 29 December 2013, 23:10:21
I wish him all the best for a fast and full recovery.  :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: MR MISTER on 30 December 2013, 10:20:48
I have sympathy for him, but...........blanket coverage on the bbc is just plain wrong. Another bomb has exploded in Volgograd, killing ten, and there are other events far more important than this.
It wasn't till I turned over to sky news that I learned of the bus bomb. The bbc in General, and news 24 in particular, get their claws into a story and just stay with it, interviewing 'witnesses' by phone and asking them for their thoughts when the poor buggers only heard a bang from two miles away.

Disgruntled of Wakefield.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: cam2502 on 30 December 2013, 11:01:28
Agreed^^^
Also just watched part of the press conference with the French surgeons.  Bloody infuriating !!!!
The same questions being asked in different ways by every reporter there.  :( :( :(
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: TheBoy on 30 December 2013, 11:13:58
Whatever we make think about him, he did make F1 exciting during his glory years, one of the last drivers with a real desire to win (often at any cost).

I hope he pulls through fully, although having seen the press conference, thats not looking too likely :(
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: tunnie on 30 December 2013, 11:32:21
Very shocked, I've been to Meribel around 4 times now. I've also been down the run he crashed on many times with some mates of mine, Biche which leads on to Blanchot was one of my all-time favourite runs, great combination of turns/gradient.

I went down Mauduit a couple of times, I remember it was steep for a red. Sometimes blues are like reds and visa-versa. I've also been off-piste between them, I don't remember any big issues around there, although snowfall has not been great this year, said to be patchy in places. So I doubt a low speed shunt could have done this, he must have fell some distance, but they don't mention that  :-\
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: cam2502 on 30 December 2013, 12:35:12
Wishing him a full and speedy recovery. But as said, doesn't look good  :(
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Varche on 30 December 2013, 13:58:23
I have sympathy for him, but...........blanket coverage on the bbc is just plain wrong. Another bomb has exploded in Volgograd, killing ten, and there are other events far more important than this.
It wasn't till I turned over to sky news that I learned of the bus bomb. The bbc in General, and news 24 in particular, get their claws into a story and just stay with it, interviewing 'witnesses' by phone and asking them for their thoughts when the poor buggers only heard a bang from two miles away.


Disgruntled of Wakefield.

+1 Disgruntled of Andalucia. BBC has become a dumbed down show.

Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Webby the Bear on 30 December 2013, 14:49:23
I was working as a ward steward on the ward that Schumacher was taken to when he broke his leg at '99. It wasn't my shift to work though when he came in. Little story there  ::)

Hope he gets better.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Johnny English on 30 December 2013, 16:24:00
I wish him all the best for a fast and full recovery.  :y

+1  :)
 he is a kind of man who doesn't give up easily  :y the best wishes you Schumi!  :)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: AndyRoid on 30 December 2013, 17:40:29
I guess it makes a change for Hill to win
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: hotel21 on 30 December 2013, 18:26:13
I guess it makes a change for Hill to win

Must confess to a titter at this one.  Suppose its my black humour shining through once more, bit like a tatt I saw recently on a returned sandpit squaddie - one foot in the grave - just above where his right foot used to be.

Hope shumacher makes it though. 
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 30 December 2013, 18:51:35
Just heard the latest on the news, doesn't sound very good.I really hope he pulls through though.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: albitz on 30 December 2013, 19:02:40
I guess it makes a change for Hill to win


Shouldn't really,but......
http://www.totalheliski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/525H01.jpg
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: MR MISTER on 30 December 2013, 19:13:22
I guess it makes a change for Hill to win


Shouldn't really,but......
http://www.totalheliski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/525H01.jpg
Tee hee  ;D
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Webby the Bear on 30 December 2013, 19:22:07
They said there was a pro skier that had an almost identical accident. He recovered after a 3 week induced coma. Either way it's not good
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: AndyRoid on 30 December 2013, 19:32:28
I guess it makes a change for Hill to win


Shouldn't really,but......
http://www.totalheliski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/525H01.jpg

Superb  :y :y

All joking aside, I personally think he is an arrogant idiot on occasions......but I really do wish him all the best for a speedy and 100% recovery.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: albitz on 30 December 2013, 19:43:18
Likewise,its well documented that I detest the bloke with a passion, but I wouldn't have wished that on him.  ;)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: BazaJT on 30 December 2013, 19:56:44
After his first couple of races I argued[with others at work]that either he would become world champion or kill himself in the attempt,though I was never a fan of his at any time.I do however hope that the doctors can control the swelling of the brain and that he makes a full and speedy recovery.News does not sound good though.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 30 December 2013, 20:11:27
Hopefully he will pull through, else we'll be inundated with stories and reports about what an arse a really great bloke he is/was. Mandela was bad enough, although he did at least do summat constructive :-X
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: MR MISTER on 30 December 2013, 20:17:50
Hopefully he will pull through, else we'll be inundated with stories and reports about what an arse a really great bloke he is/was. Mandela was bad enough, although he did at least do summat constructive :-X
When Diana died they called of the Newcastle v Liverpool match. I was most annoyed.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 December 2013, 21:22:27
Hopefully he will pull through, else we'll be inundated with stories and reports about what an arse a really great bloke he is/was. Mandela was bad enough, although he did at least do summat constructive :-X
When Diana died they called of the Newcastle v Liverpool match. I was most annoyed.

....and if you died what would happen then?....... ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: MR MISTER on 30 December 2013, 21:42:13
Hopefully he will pull through, else we'll be inundated with stories and reports about what an arse a really great bloke he is/was. Mandela was bad enough, although he did at least do summat constructive :-X
When Diana died they called of the Newcastle v Liverpool match. I was most annoyed.

....and if you died what would happen then?....... ;D ;D ;D ;)
People would be sad, especially the ones I owe money to.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: albitz on 30 December 2013, 21:59:21
Hopefully he will pull through, else we'll be inundated with stories and reports about what an arse a really great bloke he is/was. Mandela was bad enough, although he did at least do summat constructive :-X
When Diana died they called of the Newcastle v Liverpool match. I was most annoyed.

....and if you died what would happen then?....... ;D ;D ;D ;)
People would be glad, even the ones I owe money to.

Refreshing to see some self awareness. :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Rog on 31 December 2013, 10:07:05
I have sympathy for him, but...........blanket coverage on the bbc is just plain wrong. Another bomb has exploded in Volgograd, killing ten, and there are other events far more important than this.
It wasn't till I turned over to sky news that I learned of the bus bomb. The bbc in General, and news 24 in particular, get their claws into a story and just stay with it, interviewing 'witnesses' by phone and asking them for their thoughts when the poor buggers only heard a bang from two miles away.

Disgruntled of Wakefield.

I must agree.

Schumacher voluntarily chose to ski off-piste with the well known associated risks

Passengers on the bus did not choose to get on a bus with a suicide bomber

Interestingly, Schumacher is still on the front page of most news sites, but the Russian bombings have almost disappeared. Strange.

Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 December 2013, 10:34:06
I have sympathy for him, but...........blanket coverage on the bbc is just plain wrong. Another bomb has exploded in Volgograd, killing ten, and there are other events far more important than this.
It wasn't till I turned over to sky news that I learned of the bus bomb. The bbc in General, and news 24 in particular, get their claws into a story and just stay with it, interviewing 'witnesses' by phone and asking them for their thoughts when the poor buggers only heard a bang from two miles away.

Disgruntled of Wakefield.

I must agree.

Schumacher voluntarily chose to ski off-piste with the well known associated risks

Passengers on the bus did not choose to get on a bus with a suicide bomber

Interestingly, Schumacher is still on the front page of most news sites, but the Russian bombings have almost disappeared. Strange.


Celebrity culture, sadly.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: aaronjb on 31 December 2013, 10:50:57
I have sympathy for him, but...........blanket coverage on the bbc is just plain wrong. Another bomb has exploded in Volgograd, killing ten, and there are other events far more important than this.
It wasn't till I turned over to sky news that I learned of the bus bomb. The bbc in General, and news 24 in particular, get their claws into a story and just stay with it, interviewing 'witnesses' by phone and asking them for their thoughts when the poor buggers only heard a bang from two miles away.

Disgruntled of Wakefield.

I must agree.

Schumacher voluntarily chose to ski off-piste with the well known associated risks

Passengers on the bus did not choose to get on a bus with a suicide bomber

Interestingly, Schumacher is still on the front page of most news sites, but the Russian bombings have almost disappeared. Strange.


Celebrity culture, sadly.

I think you mean "Illuminati plot to obscure world events and manipulate the public meta consciousness" ... or something equally conspiracy theorist ;)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 December 2013, 10:51:18
Yep the BBC devoted almost 10 minutes at the start of the 6pm news yesterday to the Schumacher story!  :o

Whilst it's undeniably a terrible accident that hopefully will have a happy ending, it's not exactly a story of much importance compared to terrorist attacks in Russia, civil war in South Sudan where over 2000 people have died in the last couple of weeks, an attempted coup in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and a tasty train crash in the US!!  :-\

I guess that the people at BBC news think that news isn't that important really....  :-\  ::)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: MR MISTER on 31 December 2013, 11:46:06
Yep the BBC devoted almost 10 minutes at the start of the 6pm news yesterday to the Schumacher story!  :o

Whilst it's undeniably a terrible accident that hopefully will have a happy ending, it's not exactly a story of much importance compared to terrorist attacks in Russia, civil war in South Sudan where over 2000 people have died in the last couple of weeks, an attempted coup in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and a tasty train crash in the US!!  :-\

I guess that the people at BBC news think that news isn't that important really....  :-\  ::)
Or.........they want us believe it's not important. Can't be depressing the viewers at new year. It may taint their view of the situation in the world at present, thereby stopping them going out and spending Georges their money in the sales.


PS...watch out for news on the Asia-Pacific region, China is becoming royally pissed off with Japan.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Rog on 31 December 2013, 12:54:41


I think you mean "Illuminati plot to obscure world events and manipulate the public meta consciousness" ... or something equally conspiracy theorist ;)


Oh, I didn't think that anyone else knew about that  ;)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: TheBoy on 31 December 2013, 20:31:32
If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 December 2013, 23:14:49
If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

I think that the BBC do their best to ignore terrorism, as they will never call a terrorist a terrorist!  ::)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Jusme on 01 January 2014, 02:15:27
I have agonised all day over 'daring' to add a post to this thread. But, why not. For the love of God! A man has had a tragic accident and is seriously ill. Please enlighten me as to just how, voicing your opinions of someone you have never met, claiming to have skied over the very same snowflake as him, etc. In any way has any relevance to the fact that, 'a man is seriously injured'?
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Rods2 on 01 January 2014, 02:34:20
I think it is a hugely sad event on what has sadly happened to Michael Schumacher and where life is very precious would, not wish it on anybody. But there are many sad events that directly touches all of us, if you are lucky like I am to live a good community, rather that modern suburbia, then you get to hear about them, which brings sadness from local deaths and health issues from amongst our friends and prospective to our everyday lives. There for the grace of god go I.

Sadly, MSM are in the business of SELLING you news, so no prospective required, just salesmanship and ratings, which with their over the top, and all too often disrespectful reporting, is justified as in the public interest. For this and many other reasons is why I no longer have the intrusiveness of TV in my life. I access and read how I want and where I want on the Internet, rather than have what they think I need, through focus groups, thrust down my throat.

Do I miss TV, yes for a bit of sport now and again, but for all the forced upon me crap and advertising, not in the slightest and too be honest my life is richer and better without it. Try it for a month or two and you probably won't want to go back.  :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 01 January 2014, 11:09:30
I have agonised all day over 'daring' to add a post to this thread. But, why not. For the love of God! A man has had a tragic accident and is seriously ill. Please enlighten me as to just how, voicing your opinions of someone you have never met, claiming to have skied over the very same snowflake as him, etc. In any way has any relevance to the fact that, 'a man is seriously injured'?
Could not agree more.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: flyer 0712 on 01 January 2014, 11:30:50
Its a Marmite situation.......love him or dislike him ...he is a human being and has been seriously injured.....i for one hope that with the inner  determination that he has that he will make a full recovery...and let us not forget his son who was with him and his family must be going through hell at the moment just as we would if it was one of our own family..so come on all of us,wish him a quick recovery.. :y :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: tunnie on 01 January 2014, 12:00:13
I have agonised all day over 'daring' to add a post to this thread. But, why not. For the love of God! A man has had a tragic accident and is seriously ill. Please enlighten me as to just how, voicing your opinions of someone you have never met, claiming to have skied over the very same snowflake as him [\highlight]etc. In any way has any relevance to the fact that, 'a man is seriously injured'?

Guessing that was aimed at me? Not sure why the digg, or "daring" to post, but I was trying to work out how it happened. (Is that allowed by you?) Thousands per day cross that same section without issue, in clear conditions he appears to have crashed at a well known point? Did he do an emergency turn to avoid someone? Something?

It's now suggested that he was going close to 50-60mph, which caused the helmet to split to generate these injuries, no helmet and he would be dead. If that is true, 60mph into a blue (which is a beginners run) it's a very reckless speed for that area, I know the cut through, used it myself. Fastest I've ever done down there is around 30/35, that was passing most. So twice that speed, what if he crashed into another skier or boarder at that speed? Combined impact speed could be close to 100mph, no everyone wears safety gear so he could have easily killed someone.

Sadly I think who is/history has blinded everyone into just wishing him well. What if it been someone random? "News reports unknown man crashed at 60mph into rocks"

I suspect a few "idiot" comments would appear ;)

It would be a sad way for him to go considering his career, I do hope he makes full recovery.

Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Jusme on 01 January 2014, 12:34:51
Guessing that was aimed at me? Not sure why the digg, or "daring" to post, but I was trying to work out how it happened.(Is that allowed by you?)Thousands per day cross that same section without issue,
The highlighted section is the reason for "daring" to post. Anything said on here that doesn't meet with the approval of the 'inner circle' is immediately pounced on aggressively. As to the 'dig'. <Thousands per day cross that same section without issue,> 'Thousands drive on the same stretches of road every day that some poor soul, dies on'.
As to the rest of the your response Tunnie mainly concerning the possibility of his travelling too fast for the conditions, and it being reckless. The mind 'boggles'! Of course you have never exceeded the stated speed limit in your car, and hitting someone in an Omega can in no way be considered 'reckless'...  :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: tunnie on 01 January 2014, 12:41:08
Guessing that was aimed at me? Not sure why the digg, or "daring" to post, but I was trying to work out how it happened.(Is that allowed by you?)Thousands per day cross that same section without issue,
The highlighted section is the reason for "daring" to post. Anything said on here that doesn't meet with the approval of the 'inner circle' is immediately pounced on aggressively. As to the 'dig'. <Thousands per day cross that same section without issue,> 'Thousands drive on the same stretches of road every day that some poor soul, dies on'.
As to the rest of the your response Tunnie mainly concerning the possibility of his travelling too fast for the conditions, and it being reckless. The mind 'boggles'! Of course you have never exceeded the stated speed limit in your car, and hitting someone in an Omega can in no way be considered 'reckless'...  :y

If you cannot be bothered to format a post correctly, I cannot be bothered to argue really.

Speed quoted here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10543941/Schumachers-ski-helmet-broke-in-two-in-high-speed-crash.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10543941/Schumachers-ski-helmet-broke-in-two-in-high-speed-crash.html)


Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Jusme on 01 January 2014, 14:08:38
You call that an "Argument" ??????  ;) But so sorry for not formatting my post correctly.... 'whatever that means'??
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 January 2014, 14:10:35
If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

Yes
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 01 January 2014, 14:14:05
If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

Yes

+1 Yes!

All acts of terrorism, at least in my humble opinion, are carried out to publicize their "cause".  Always has been, always will.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 January 2014, 14:57:59
If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

Yes

+1 Yes!

All acts of terrorism, at least in my humble opinion, are carried out to publicize their "cause".  Always has been, always will.

Or, thinking further, would they just go for bigger more daring targets until it can't be ignored, to the point it would be irresponsible not to report it? Probably.

But ultimately Terrorism is pointless without media coverage. Look at the Daily Fail. Seizing on every ounce of misery in the world, all it does is amplify misery.   
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 01 January 2014, 15:35:11
If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

Yes

+1 Yes!

All acts of terrorism, at least in my humble opinion, are carried out to publicize their "cause".  Always has been, always will.

Or, thinking further, would they just go for bigger more daring targets until it can't be ignored, to the point it would be irresponsible not to report it? Probably.

But ultimately Terrorism is pointless without media coverage. Look at the Daily Fail. Seizing on every ounce of misery in the world, all it does is amplify misery.

Nothing really could have been bigger than 9/11 and,yes, that could not be ignored! So the terrorists/Bin Laden got the publicity they sought, quiet apart from starting their war with the West over their grievances.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 January 2014, 15:44:45
If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

Yes

+1 Yes!

All acts of terrorism, at least in my humble opinion, are carried out to publicize their "cause".  Always has been, always will.

Or, thinking further, would they just go for bigger more daring targets until it can't be ignored, to the point it would be irresponsible not to report it? Probably.

But ultimately Terrorism is pointless without media coverage. Look at the Daily Fail. Seizing on every ounce of misery in the world, all it does is amplify misery.   
That itself is the issue... look at the fuss following 9/11. That single event has given rise to the 'Patriot Act', (an oxymoron if ever there was), two wars, and untold misery and suffering for millions of people.

Should any of the casualties from that one event or its aftermath be forgotten? Of course not. But if each event was ignored, what of the innocent victims and their families?

Tbh I am struggling to understand the response of people to attacks like 9/11 in a world where an assualt rifle costs less than a slap up meal and bullets cost 12p :-\ if life is so valuable, how can it be ended so cheaply?

The 'terrorists' have won, inevitable really given that they'll stop at nothing to make a point.

The sooner the rest of the world admit that, the sooner we can all move on. If they know they have won, they have no further need to blow everything up, and by default we would have no further need to go tramping round the arse end of nowhere on futile revenge quests, just so that the media can report that we're doing something to defend our way of life.

Conceed the fight and then simply ignore the protagonists. Respectfully remember the victims, of course, but at a family level not an international one. Then move on.

Pretty straightforward really.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 January 2014, 15:57:47
Mandela thinking?
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Andy B on 01 January 2014, 16:00:34
I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 January 2014, 16:02:03
I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the similarity is media coverage. No?
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Andy B on 01 January 2014, 16:08:51
I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the similarity is media coverage. No?

Is it?  :-\ ............ I lost enthusiasm part way through the BBC bashing bit. But the news showed press form all over the world camped outside the hospital ...... not just BBC reporters
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 January 2014, 16:10:46
Mandela thinking?
As opposed to Sinn Feins' approach?

Mandelas resilient patience led to his Presidency. Which in turn made a real difference to South Africa. Giving the IRA political legitimacy has acheived nothing.

You can't beat terrorists, as they will, by definition, stop at nothing. Ignoring them won't make them go away, but as they become more frustrated, the attacks would become more abhorent, making their case exponentially futile. Eventually this futility would sink in. And things would ultimately change.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 January 2014, 16:16:54
I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the similarity is media coverage. No?

Is it?  :-\ ............ I lost enthusiasm part way through the BBC bashing bit. But the news showed press form all over the world camped outside the hospital ...... not just BBC reporters

Not BBC, media. All of them/it.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 January 2014, 16:17:54
Mandela thinking?
As opposed to Sinn Feins' approach?

Mandelas resilient patience led to his Presidency. Which in turn made a real difference to South Africa. Giving the IRA political legitimacy has acheived nothing.

You can't beat terrorists, as they will, by definition, stop at nothing. Ignoring them won't make them go away, but as they become more frustrated, the attacks would become more abhorent, making their case exponentially futile. Eventually this futility would sink in. And things would ultimately change.

I was thinking in his later years, to move on, or the only way to move on, is to forgive.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 January 2014, 16:21:43
I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the disparity is media coverage. No?
Schumacher will either recover or he won't. The media ignorance of events elsewhere is for one of two reasons, deliberate or misguided. The bus bombings in Russia could be attributed to anyone from Chechnya to Afghanistan, and whilst tragic, they should be largely ignored. What is currently happening in Africa as a whole is wrong, and should have attention drawn to it imho.

Genocide is inexcusable, whether for religious or political reasons. The 'eye for an eye ' mentality is as short sighted as it is blinding.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 January 2014, 16:26:22
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I was thinking in his later years, to move on, or the only way to move on, is to forgive.

Doubtless a direct result of incarceration, allowing an intelligent man chance to reflect and consider realistic alternative solutions to his original course :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 01 January 2014, 16:31:45
I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the similarity is media coverage. No?

Because Shumacher is German?! :y :y :y :y :)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 01 January 2014, 16:35:05
I'm just wondering ow we managed to get to the whys & wherefores of terrorism on a 'get well soon Shumacher' thread  ??? ??? ??? ???

One for the admin that posted it, but the disparity is media coverage. No?
Schumacher will either recover or he won't. The media ignorance of events elsewhere is for one of two reasons, deliberate or misguided. The bus bombings in Russia could be attributed to anyone from Chechnya to Afghanistan, and whilst tragic, they should be largely ignored. What is currently happening in Africa as a whole is wrong, and should have attention drawn to it imho.

Genocide is inexcusable, whether for religious or political reasons. The 'eye for an eye ' mentality is as short sighted as it is blinding.

Agreed, but still done on a national basis!  Remind me why we are in Afghanistan. ::) ::) ::) 
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 January 2014, 16:36:37
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I was thinking in his later years, to move on, or the only way to move on, is to forgive.

Doubtless a direct result of incarceration, allowing an intelligent man chance to reflect and consider realistic alternative solutions to his original course :y
Call it what you will, under what ever heading, with whatever history. I shouldn't have mentioned Mandela, but ultimately he was right. No?

Forget the Mandela bit, it's the Forgiveness that's missing, was my point. That appeared to be the gist of your post...?
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 January 2014, 16:37:19
Reply #46 Lizzie :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 January 2014, 16:42:31
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I was thinking in his later years, to move on, or the only way to move on, is to forgive.

Doubtless a direct result of incarceration, allowing an intelligent man chance to reflect and consider realistic alternative solutions to his original course :y
Call it what you will, under what ever heading, with whatever history. I shouldn't have mentioned Mandela, but ultimately he was right. No?Yes.

Forget the Mandela bit, it's the Forgiveness that's missing, was my point. That appeared to be the gist of your post...?
On reflection, acceptance coupled with forgiveness is almost certainly the solution, but needs to be apolitical and universal without religious inference  :y

How's that for a resolution :o
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 January 2014, 16:46:31
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I was thinking in his later years, to move on, or the only way to move on, is to forgive.

Doubtless a direct result of incarceration, allowing an intelligent man chance to reflect and consider realistic alternative solutions to his original course :y
Call it what you will, under what ever heading, with whatever history. I shouldn't have mentioned Mandela, but ultimately he was right. No?Yes.

Forget the Mandela bit, it's the Forgiveness that's missing, was my point. That appeared to be the gist of your post...?
On reflection, acceptance coupled with forgiveness is almost certainly the solution, but needs to be apolitical and universal without religious inference  :y

How's that for a resolution :o

Right, that's that fixed then. NEXT ;D :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: razzo on 01 January 2014, 16:58:07
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If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

Yes

+1 Yes!

All acts of terrorism, at least in my humble opinion, are carried out to publicize their "cause".  Always has been, always will.

So acts of terrorism are PR stunts & photo opportunities for the worlds media?
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 01 January 2014, 17:51:18
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If the media chose (or were forced) to ignore terrorism, would terrorism go away?

Yes

+1 Yes!

All acts of terrorism, at least in my humble opinion, are carried out to publicize their "cause".  Always has been, always will.

So acts of terrorism are PR stunts & photo opportunities for the worlds media?

No one is saying that. It is the terrorists who are determined to draw attention to their cause, as currently in Russia.  The media come along afterwards to report in our democratic societies.  The old USSR would simply clamp down on any protests and restrict, block or modify to an acceptable propaganda level to suit the State. :)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 January 2014, 08:14:28
So Schumacher is poorly sick through his own miss adventure......

....just remind me, how often did he pull off bloody dangerous selfish moves that endangered others lives on the race track...?

Is Mansell sending him a get well card?
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 January 2014, 08:15:34
Can't see Barachelo loosing any sleep either ;D
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 January 2014, 10:46:08
Can't see Barachelo loosing any sleep either ;D
I'm sure Senna will be waiting to have a quiet word if he doesn't pull through...
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 January 2014, 11:00:07
So as innocent people are being murdered and ignored, one of the most over inflated ego's is getting top billing.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: tunnie on 02 January 2014, 11:32:44
So as innocent people are being murdered and ignored, one of the most over inflated ego's is getting top billing.

You've got it all wrong, we should be all wishing him well and not voicing any other opinion ::) ::) ::)  :-X  ;D
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: RobG on 02 January 2014, 12:23:03
So as innocent people are being murdered and ignored, one of the most over inflated ego's is getting top billing.

You've got it all wrong, we should be all wishing him well and not voicing any other opinion ::) ::) ::)  :-X  ;D
..........and that`s the main problem with Gen Dis
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: MR MISTER on 02 January 2014, 12:41:01
So as innocent people are being murdered and ignored, one of the most over inflated ego's is getting top billing.

You've got it all wrong, we should be all wishing him well and not voicing any other opinion ::) ::) ::)  :-X  ;D
..........and that`s the main problem with Gen Dis
There is no problem with gen diss, just say what you feel and, if people want to disagree, let them.
If they persist and want to ridicule you and/or cause an argument, even better. ;D
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: MR MISTER on 02 January 2014, 12:41:55
Oh yeah....I couldn't give a shite whether Schuey lives or dies. :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 January 2014, 12:58:46
Oh yeah....I couldn't give a shite whether Schuey lives or dies. :y

I hear that he cares deeply about you and the long suffering Mrs STMO. ;)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: MR MISTER on 02 January 2014, 12:59:47
Oh yeah....I couldn't give a shite whether Schuey lives or dies. :y

I hear that he cares deeply about you and the long suffering Mrs STMO. ;)
Yes. I'm sure he cares as much about me as I care about him. ;)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 January 2014, 13:05:18
So as innocent people are being murdered and ignored, one of the most over inflated ego's is getting top billing.
As discussed yesterday...

The primary issue being how to make the onanists in charge see sense :-\

(btw more terrorism is not the answer :y)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 January 2014, 15:03:38

There is no problem with gen diss, just say what you feel and, if people want to disagree, let them.
If they persist and want to ridicule you and/or cause an argument, even better. ;D

+1  :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: tunnie on 02 January 2014, 15:35:10

There is no problem with gen diss, just say what you feel and, if people want to disagree, let them.
If they persist and want to ridicule you and/or cause an argument, even better. ;D

+1  :y

Indeed  :y :y :y
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: chrisgixer on 02 January 2014, 16:24:23

There is no problem with gen diss, just say what you feel and, if people want to disagree, let them.
If they persist and want to ridicule you and/or cause an argument, even better. ;D

+1  :y

Indeed  :y :y :y

What? Utter rubbish! We should all be good boys and girls and bahh like lambs to the majority view. ....right?(he said sheepishly) ;D ;D ;D

:D
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: SIR Philbutt on 02 January 2014, 18:23:35

There is no problem with gen diss, just say what you feel and, if people want to disagree, let them.
If they persist and want to ridicule you and/or cause an argument, even better. ;D

+1  :y

Indeed  :y :y :y

Indeed, indeed it's called free speach  :y :y :y

What? Utter rubbish! We should all be good boys and girls and bahh like lambs to the majority view. ....right?(he said sheepishly) ;D ;D ;D

:D

and only discuss car subject's on a car forum  :-X :-X :-X  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :o

As a footnote went to a NYE party 6 couple's. 8 kids playing games and surfing the net, 6 women talking about kids, work, clothes,etc. 6 guys agreeing and disagreeing about politics, politicians, eu, voting, immigration, money woes, sport & work (and the women telling us to shut up and talk about what they wanted us to talk about ;D) . Now thats what i call gen dis  :y :o

Oh by the way I hope schumi does get well - best at his sport no matter his faults
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 02 January 2014, 21:10:52
At the end of the day he was very good at his profession, regardless of what we think, he is somebodys son , father , brother etc. I for one hope he makes a full recovery.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: henryd on 02 January 2014, 23:46:29
At the end of the day he was very good at his profession, regardless of what we think, he is somebodys son , father , brother etc. I for one hope he makes a full recovery.

Yep,me too,never was his biggest fan but wish him well.
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: omegod on 03 January 2014, 12:03:17
You would read a story in the paper of someone who's been badly hurt and generally feel some empathy I expect. How does the fact we know this guy has been a bit horrible but also incredibly succesful change some peoples feelings? Just wondering like.....
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 03 January 2014, 18:47:14
You would read a story in the paper of someone who's been badly hurt and generally feel some empathy I expect. How does the fact we know this guy has been a bit horrible but also incredibly succesful change some peoples feelings? Just wondering like.....
Haven't we all been horrible in our lives at some time ? I know I have..that's all part of being human .
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 03 January 2014, 23:41:24
You would read a story in the paper of someone who's been badly hurt and generally feel some empathy I expect. How does the fact we know this guy has been a bit horrible but also incredibly succesful change some peoples feelings? Just wondering like.....
Haven't we all been horrible in our lives at some time ? I know I have..that's all part of being human .

Indeed, and sometimes that can be real fun!!  Watching other peoples faces as you become the bitch of the year! :y :y :y ;)
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 04 January 2014, 18:36:34
You would read a story in the paper of someone who's been badly hurt and generally feel some empathy I expect. How does the fact we know this guy has been a bit horrible but also incredibly succesful change some peoples feelings? Just wondering like.....
Haven't we all been horrible in our lives at some time ? I know I have..that's all part of being human .
And in my case

Indeed, and sometimes that can be real fun!!  Watching other peoples faces as you become the bitch of the year! :y :y :y ;)
And in my case The Bas**** of the year..
Title: Re: Schumacher skiing accident.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 04 January 2014, 19:03:14
You would read a story in the paper of someone who's been badly hurt and generally feel some empathy I expect. How does the fact we know this guy has been a bit horrible but also incredibly succesful change some peoples feelings? Just wondering like.....
Haven't we all been horrible in our lives at some time ? I know I have..that's all part of being human .
And in my case

Indeed, and sometimes that can be real fun!!  Watching other peoples faces as you become the bitch of the year! :y :y :y ;)
And in my case The Bas**** of the year..

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y