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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: terry paget on 11 January 2014, 16:30:26
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Vx trade club kit at £103.32 plus VAT April 2010 price sounds best. Is this best choice?
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Vx trade club kit at £103.32 plus VAT April 2010 price sounds best. Is this best choice?
If you can get it at that price, buy ten, last time I enquired, it was near £500 for all the bits...
Managed to get an old stock kit from Charles Warner in Lincolnshire nearly two years ago for £185 delivered iirc :-\ Might have some left...
LUK kit is reasonable, but if you need it, the flywheel is cheaper from VX, albeit special order from Germany :y
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3.2i 24v V6 - Y32SE Part No: R1520066 Retail: £225.00 Trade: £180.56 Trade Club: £156.02
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The price I quoted was for an exchange kit; perhaps the newer TC price was outright purchase. I found this on e-bay: any comments on it?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=&_osacat=9886&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xomega+3..2+clutch+kit&_nkw=omega+3..2+clutch+kit&_sacat=9886&_from=R40
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http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/details/VAUXHALL/OMEGA/3.2/0/__/34/624165209/clutch-kit/ :-\
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http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/details/VAUXHALL/OMEGA/3.2/0/__/34/624165209/clutch-kit/ :-\
Thanks Rob. Excellent price! It is a LUK clutch set. I have read the name before on this site, presumably not having a bad reputation. They mention something about the bearing. I guess I could ask them whether that kit would fit my car.
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You would be well advised to change the bearing :y
I have seen first hand what failure does... had one shatter on my first Omega... cracked slave cylinder, broke both the pressure plate and clutch plate. The resulting debris tore chunks out of the flywheel face and scarred the bell housing. Fortunately I had selected reverse to back into a space so was stationary, rather than doing any speed :-\
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You would be well advised to change the bearing :y
I have seen first hand what failure does... had one shatter on my first Omega... cracked slave cylinder, broke both the pressure plate and clutch plate. The resulting debris tore chunks out of the flywheel face and scarred the bell housing. Fortunately I had selected reverse to back into a space so was stationary, rather than doing any speed :-\
Thanks Al. Are we talking about the clutch thrust bearing, or something else? I assume the clutch thrust bearing comes in the kit.
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It is the bearing that sits on the slave cylinder :y
My LUK kit came with one iirc, the Vauxhall 'kit' I bought was individual components, although I left the slave cylinder fitted, as I suspect I had changed the original one needlessly :-\
Double check and purchase as required :y
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I see BuyPartsBy offer two clutch kits for the 2003 3.2 Omega, one at £96.50 (RepSet) and one at £179.81 (RepSet Pro) . I imagine they both fit, but the Pro set is higher quality but would last longer. Interesting choice, has anyone any comments?
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Does the more expensive one include the release bearing and slave cylinder :-\
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Does the more expensive one include the release bearing and slave cylinder :-\
Good question. I presumed all clutch kits were the same; clutch plate, pressure plate and thrust bearing. I did not think any included the slave cylinder. I have never changed a clutch, or bought a clutch kit. I will ring them in the morning and enquire.
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Generally a concentric slave won't come as part of a clutch kit, unless expressly stated. Just paid near to £80 for a csc on the vectra.
Sorry to thread hijack, but does the y32 use the same flywheel and clutch as y26?
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Think it's basically a 3.0 clutch... would depend on the flywheel size, no :-\
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How do they differ? Only just occurred to me that maybe I should fit a 3.2 flywheel and clutch instead of the 2.6 item.
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Assuming you're talking wwd... bell housing will dictate what will/won't fit. I can't tell you what the exact differences are but...
Omega B.
93185903 is the p/n for both the 2.6 and 3.0 kits,
93185904 is the p/n for the 2.6 kit.
90509302 is the p/n for the 2.5 flywheel.
90509303 is the p/n for the 3.0 flywheel.
9196643 is the p/n for the 2.6 flywheel.
Vectra B.
9201516 is the p/n for 2.6 kit.
90466476 is the p/n for the 2.6 flywheel.
Vectra C.
93185922 is the p/n for the 3.2 kit.
93174634 is the p/n for the 3.2 flywheel.
Taken from... http://ecat24.com/catalog/types/1/30 (http://ecat24.com/catalog/types/1/30) No 3.2 Omega clutch/flywheel listed :-\
Mark DTM or Serek might be able to shed more light on it... :y
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Gentlemen, I thank you for your comments. I have returned to the JamesV6CDX's maintenance guide. I see no mention of the slave cylinder, I assume it is within the gearbox housing. You say it is concentric; I imagine, with the gearbox input shaft. Does it push directly on the clutch thrust bearing? On the Senator, my Peugeot 505, and my Mini, the slave cylinder was external to the gearbox and operated the clutch via a lever and pivot. I am sure all will become clear when I take the gearbox off.
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Three bolts hold it to the gearbox casing :y input shaft runs through the centre... and yes the bearing acts directly on the pressure plate, no levers involved :y
The external slaves are the result of lazy designers bodging older cable designs ::)
To add, bleeding it is a dog of a job :y
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Three bolts hold it to the gearbox casing :y input shaft runs through the centre... and yes the bearing acts directly on the pressure plate, no levers involved :y
The external slaves are the result of lazy designers bodging older cable designs ::)
External slaves are the result of pragmatists who accept that hydraulic cylinders fail, and object to removing the gearbox just to change the bloody thing!
Changing an external cylinder is a few minutes work - we did one on a Humber Sceptre in the dark, outside the previous owner's house, in less time than he took to make the tea. The look on his face when he came out with the tea to find the car being roadtested was priceless.
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If you change the Omega one when the box is out it shouldn't break in the first place ::)
Arguably the Omega one is less stressed because it doesn't have to force a lever every time the pedal is pressed :-\ which could also suggest why external ones fail more often...
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I note BuyPartsBy list the same two clutch kits for all V6 Omegas.
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If you change the Omega one when the box is out it shouldn't break in the first place ::)
Arguably the Omega one is less stressed because it doesn't have to force a lever every time the pedal is pressed :-\ which could also suggest why external ones fail more often...
Not sure how much difference that makes. The pressure the system reaches is dictated by the spring tension on the clutch cover. As most of the levers on external type box's are very near to a 1:1 ratio its the same thing as pushing direct.
Atleast the external slaves are removed from the dust and heat unlike a CSC.
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On three Omegas, the only slave failure was due to debris damage from an exploding thrust bearing at 140k, on two other cars, one I didn't own long enough for the clutch to fail, tother the slave failed at a paltry 65k...
Point being if it's changed whilst the gearbox is out, it should never be an issue, besides, it's only three bolts :y
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Mini is only 2, and none to get at it.
Ford used a circlip on many of theirs, the one on my Zephyr needed big Stilsons to twist it in the bore.
I don't think either type has an edge on reliability, but external ones certainly do for maintenance.
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I rang BuyPartsBy. The cheaper kit does not include the thrust bearing, otherwise they are identical. So the best but seems to be Trade Club Vauxhall.
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BuyPartsBy cheekily did not include a picture of their product. Now I realise the set I mentioned earlier is cheapest, at £161 inc. VAT, with free P & P. Here it is again.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-CLUTCH-KIT-Vauxhall-Omega-3-2-V6-24v-2000-2004-/370532853297?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item56457aa631
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Buy the best you can afford not the cheapest you can find. I only fit LUK or valeo clutches. Some of the cheaper has caused me issues in the past.
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Incidentally I was informed today that a 3.2 omega has the same size clutch as a 2.6 vectra. Both at 240mm and with the same number of splines (14 I think).
Don't know what the differences between all the part numbers are but it must only be subtle.
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Buy the best you can afford not the cheapest you can find. I only fit LUK or valeo clutches. Some of the cheaper has caused me issues in the past.
Thanks Andy. Good advice. I imagine you would include Vauxhall TC units as OK. So the ByPartsBy LUK 3 piece kit at £179.81 inc vat is OK (plus postage?) and the Vx TC kit at £187.22, collect your own.
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By the time it's delivered, you might as well buy genuine :y
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Buy the best you can afford not the cheapest you can find. I only fit LUK or valeo clutches. Some of the cheaper has caused me issues in the past.
Thanks Andy. Good advice. I imagine you would include Vauxhall TC units as OK. So the ByPartsBy LUK 3 piece kit at £179.81 inc vat is OK (plus postage?) and the Vx TC kit at £187.22, collect your own.
Sorry yes, genuine parts are included in things I would fit. Moot point though with VX as all of their parts I've seen are LUK anywy but rebranded for vx. Those prices sound reasonable, they are quite an expensive set compared to a lot of other cars.
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Had to replace the clutch on mine. The Vx price is for exchange only and there weren't any for V6 on the network. New was £500+ on TC. LuK was OE for clutch, slave on mine was a Valeo. Total for the lot was just over £200. Flywheel was fine after 140K.
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I note that the BuyPartsBy LUK kit at £179.81 lists CSC No. 5100000510, inferring it includes the concentric slave cylinder. If this kit also includes the clutch thrust bearing it sounds like good value. Thanks to all for the advice.
To ajsphead, do you by any chance own an AJ Stevens motorcycle and live in Portishead?
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CSC and thrust bearing are sold together. If you buy a CSC it will come with the bearing.
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CSC and thrust bearing are sold together. If you buy a CSC it will come with the bearing.
Thank you. Makes sense, good news.
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Today I rang BuyPartBy to order a kit, bit in vain. The helpful salesman explained that some 2003 3.2 manuals had a 'standard' bearing, while the majority had the combined concentric slave cylinder and bearing system. He could not tell me from the car reg. no. OE03 EWW which mine was. So it appears I must dismantle and find out before I order the clutch kit.
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couldn't be too difficult to find out. If the slave isn't inboard it must be outboard.
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Hi Terry
Yes I do live in Portishead, but sadly I don't own a AJS motorcycle. I did ride a Honda VTR1000 until last year - sold through lack of use - and there is a chap across the back from me who has a few classic bikes, so you might not be totally wide of the mark.
Anthony
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My solution was to buy a 2 piece Luk and a slave as the bearing comes with the Valeo slave.
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couldn't be too difficult to find out. If the slave isn't inboard it must be outboard.
All Omegas have a concentric slave ::) the issue is whether the slave and bearing are one unit or not...rather than if it's actually a Vectra in disguise :-X
Terry, first clutch I fitted to this consisted of LUK friction plate, pressure plate, dmf and slave including bearing.
The second was genuine VX friction plate, pressure plate and bearing. Both the slave and the flywheel were fine. The bearing simply pulled off the slave and the new one pressed straight on :y
HTH...
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Hi Terry
Yes I do live in Portishead, but sadly I don't own a AJS motorcycle. I did ride a Honda VTR1000 until last year - sold through lack of use - and there is a chap across the back from me who has a few classic bikes, so you might not be totally wide of the mark.
Anthony
I have a friend who used to live in Harrow, Middx., and he ofter used to pass the factory with A.J. Stevens on the roof. Another friend has several 50s Motorcycles, including a 650 Matchless, which I gather is the same as an AJS. I had a couple of Velocettes in those happy days.
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couldn't be too difficult to find out. If the slave isn't inboard it must be outboard.
The way he was talking, it could be inboard but not concentric. If it were outboard I would have noticed. It was certainly outboard on the Senator.
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couldn't be too difficult to find out. If the slave isn't inboard it must be outboard.
The way he was talking, it could be inboard but not concentric. If it were outboard I would have noticed. It was certainly outboard on the Senator.
Terry, first clutch I fitted to this consisted of LUK friction plate, pressure plate, dmf and slave including bearing.
The second was genuine VX friction plate, pressure plate and bearing. Both the slave and the flywheel were fine. The bearing simply pulled off the slave and the new one pressed straight on
HTH...