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Title: Discovery TD5
Post by: Martin_1962 on 18 January 2014, 20:23:57
Dec 2003 Auto

Rather nice car.

I reckon it has been chipped as TC comes on in first. 10 sec 0-60

Bit noisy, plenty of character, loads of toys but no cruise.

Cost me a lot but I find so many cars boring and characterless.

I tried a BMW, thought quite nice, but jumped into a smashed up Omega and thought "This is much nicer"

I went round car dealer after car dealer. saying no , no, no, the dealers were understanding.

Went to VX asked if they had any decent cars, they did admit that the best VX in recent years was what I was interested in. They tried to sell me a sodding Meriva, I almost hit the salesman, I sat in a another one he thought I would be impressed by - plastic rubbish and no auto box.

I feel like writing to VX telling them why they lost me.

BTW there is a big dealer near me which sells a few makes of cars and has a lot of SH but they had a Martin repellant on the entrance and I could not enter, a blue sign with a 4 letter F word on it.
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: MR MISTER on 18 January 2014, 20:25:46
Ah...FIAT, enough to put anyone off.  ;D

A disco TD5....... Don't think they tried for a 0-60 really.
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: hoody on 18 January 2014, 21:01:48
Ford owned landrover in 2003,just as well its fiats you dont like ;D
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: MR MISTER on 18 January 2014, 21:04:26
Ford owned landrover in 2003,just as well its fiats you dont like ;D
Could have been ford  ;D

Or even f*** off Martin Imber  ;D
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: henryd on 19 January 2014, 17:20:49
Dec 2003 Auto

Rather nice car.

I reckon it has been chipped as TC comes on in first. 10 sec 0-60

Bit noisy, plenty of character, loads of toys but no cruise.

Cost me a lot but I find so many cars boring and characterless.

I tried a BMW, thought quite nice, but jumped into a smashed up Omega and thought "This is much nicer"

I went round car dealer after car dealer. saying no , no, no, the dealers were understanding.

Went to VX asked if they had any decent cars, they did admit that the best VX in recent years was what I was interested in. They tried to sell me a sodding Meriva, I almost hit the salesman, I sat in a another one he thought I would be impressed by - plastic rubbish and no auto box.

I feel like writing to VX telling them why they lost me.

BTW there is a big dealer near me which sells a few makes of cars and has a lot of SH but they had a Martin repellant on the entrance and I could not enter, a blue sign with a 4 letter F word on it.

Very nice martin,I run a Disco 2 as well although mine is a v8 manual,at your earliest opportunity when it's dry get the chassis,especially the rear end waxoyled or similar,the rear half chassis is the most fragile part of theses things and very expensive to fix if it fails,the rest of the vehicle is fixable with a good toolkit.
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: the alarming man on 19 January 2014, 17:48:54
Dec 2003 Auto

Rather nice car.

I reckon it has been chipped as TC comes on in first. 10 sec 0-60

Bit noisy, plenty of character, loads of toys but no cruise.

Cost me a lot but I find so many cars boring and characterless.

I tried a BMW, thought quite nice, but jumped into a smashed up Omega and thought "This is much nicer"

I went round car dealer after car dealer. saying no , no, no, the dealers were understanding.

Went to VX asked if they had any decent cars, they did admit that the best VX in recent years was what I was interested in. They tried to sell me a sodding Meriva, I almost hit the salesman, I sat in a another one he thought I would be impressed by - plastic rubbish and no auto box.

I feel like writing to VX telling them why they lost me.

BTW there is a big dealer near me which sells a few makes of cars and has a lot of SH but they had a Martin repellant on the entrance and I could not enter, a blue sign with a 4 letter F word on it.

Very nice martin,I run a Disco 2 as well although mine is a v8 manual,at your earliest opportunity when it's dry get the chassis,especially the rear end waxoyled or similar,the rear half chassis is the most fragile part of theses things and very expensive to fix if it fails,the rest of the vehicle is fixable with a good toolkit.


I was just going to post that as well....waxoil is a must :y

Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: the alarming man on 19 January 2014, 17:50:17
Ah...FIAT, enough to put anyone off.  ;D

A disco TD5....... Don't think they tried for a 0-60 really.


if they are chipped they are no slouch :y
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: henryd on 19 January 2014, 18:56:07
Ah...FIAT, enough to put anyone off.  ;D

A disco TD5....... Don't think they tried for a 0-60 really.


if they are chipped they are no slouch :y

True, I tried a chipped auto with heavy duty t/c and that really pulled well,still prefer me manwell V8 though(consumption aside :-X)
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: hotel21 on 19 January 2014, 21:23:31
My td5 disco has been chipped and the egr bypassed. Give it a boot full from standstill and it spins 2 if not 3 or more wheels. Leaves a mahoosive smoke screen behind it though until it evens itself out.

Watch out for the rust as others have said but also leaking fuel pressure regulators which drip onto the starter and cause solenoid failure. Steering box seals also leak as does the ACE system. I removed mine and retrofitted standard anti roll bars. No appreciable difference in handling once you get used to it.  :y
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: hotel21 on 19 January 2014, 21:28:56
Does it have sunroofs?  If so, remove the cassettes front and rear and reseal. If it doesn't leak now it will sometime....   ;)
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2014, 21:30:55
My td5 disco has been chipped and the egr bypassed. Give it a boot full from standstill and it spins 2 if not 3 or more wheels. Leaves a mahoosive smoke screen behind it though until it evens itself out.

Watch out for the rust as others have said but also leaking fuel pressure regulators which drip onto the starter and cause solenoid failure. Steering box seals also leak as does the ACE system. I removed mine and retrofitted standard anti roll bars. No appreciable difference in handling once you get used to it.  :y

This one does trigger TC when pulling away and is very quick up to 30 then starts to slow ACE system works very well (have driven D1) wife likes it all 3 children now like it.

I think I will get rid of EGR when it is warmer depending on what I do for a project first (going to try to pursued a work mate to share a Omega project. Just can't give them up yet).

Will get some pictures up sometime, no longer on Autotrader
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Martin_1962 on 19 January 2014, 21:31:32
Does it have sunroofs?  If so, remove the cassettes front and rear and reseal. If it doesn't leak now it will sometime....   ;)

Thanks will look at!
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: hotel21 on 19 January 2014, 21:36:46
..... and, coincidentally, the rocker gasket leaks at the half moon on the rear. Either accept as the patented landrover underbody anti rust system or replace. Remember sealant round the half moon.

10 NM torque on the bolts as well, about £18 for a genuine LR gasket.
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: henryd on 19 January 2014, 23:16:28
Does it have sunroofs?  If so, remove the cassettes front and rear and reseal. If it doesn't leak now it will sometime....   ;)

Yep,been there done that ::)
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Vamps on 20 January 2014, 00:26:55
Don't have that problem with the Jeep, it doesn't have a sunroof..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: the alarming man on 20 January 2014, 18:41:14
it is poor maintenance vamps if the seals are kept clean and drain holes are clear they won't leak.. the problem is once they start to leak replacement is the only cure and they are PITA to do:y
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: hotel21 on 20 January 2014, 19:53:24
it is poor maintenance vamps if the seals are kept clean and drain holes are clear they won't leak.. the problem is once they start to leak replacement is the only cure and they are PITA to do:y

You talking sunroof?  Its not the glass to sunroof rubber seal that leaks most of the time.   Problems include (but not limited to) drains and the plastic 'squares' where drains attach to lower cassette assembly but mainly leak where upper and lower cassette portions sandwich the metal roof skin.  The 'seal' is ineffectual at best (thin foam sponge type stuff) that deteriorates over time and allows water to pass and create leaks through winder handle/leccy motor control assembly.
 
Best repair is removal of upper and lower portions and clean off old guff then reseal with RTV silicone top and bottom.  :y
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: the alarming man on 20 January 2014, 22:10:04
correct I am talking sunroof. The seal is only ineffectual due to the not being looked after and it as nothing to do with the lump of glass at all...poor maintenance not cleaning the drainage channels and keeping the drain clear


but as for sealing sunroof that is not a repair at all it is a cop out and a quick fix which doesn't solve the problem all it does do it means you have a sunroof you cannot use
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 20 January 2014, 22:12:23
I still come out in a cold sweat when I see a Land Rover badge, scarred for life! ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :y
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Vamps on 20 January 2014, 22:49:40
I still come out in a cold sweat when I see a Land Rover badge, scarred for life! ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :y

I have had and loved a few series Land Rovers, not exactly luxury but functional, do you know that you can get 22 Cub Scouts into the back of a LWB model...... :y :y In the old days.... :-X
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 January 2014, 23:35:28
I still come out in a cold sweat when I see a Land Rover badge, scarred for life! ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :y

I have had and loved a few series Land Rovers, not exactly luxury but functional, do you know that you can get 22 Cub Scouts into the back of a LWB model...... :y :y In the old days.... :-X

Should be able to squish mad BMWs with one though and hopefully repel low flying Peugeots, will be interesting to see how much compensation I get
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: henryd on 21 January 2014, 08:16:48
correct I am talking sunroof. The seal is only ineffectual due to the not being looked after and it as nothing to do with the lump of glass at all...poor maintenance not cleaning the drainage channels and keeping the drain clear


but as for sealing sunroof that is not a repair at all it is a cop out and a quick fix which doesn't solve the problem all it does do it means you have a sunroof you cannot use

H21 is not saying seal up the roofs themselves,they mainly leak where the cassette joins to the roof panel,that is what needs sealing up(on the D2 anyway)
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 January 2014, 08:29:10
I have had and loved a few series Land Rovers, not exactly luxury but functional, do you know that you can get 22 Cub Scouts into the back of a LWB model...... :y :y In the old days.... :-X

I have to look after and maintain

1 off Series 3 short wheel base pickup - 2.25 petrol
1 off series 4 long wheel base with bench seats in rear - 2.25 petrol
1 off 110 long wheel base with cherry picker mounted on rear, 2.5D
1 off 110 long wheel base with road rail fittings - 300TDi
1 off 110 long wheel base - 2.5TD (19J engine)

There is also a series 1 petrol short wheel base with a rotted head (but dry stored for the last 20 plus years, which I am not going bloody near!

And I bloody hate working on them, there is always 'something' needs doing on the dam things.
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: 05omegav6 on 21 January 2014, 08:49:42
Just like an Omega then... ;D
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 January 2014, 08:53:50
Just like an Omega then... ;D

No, they require SO MUCH more fiddling with!
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: hotel21 on 21 January 2014, 09:55:16
correct I am talking sunroof. The seal is only ineffectual due to the not being looked after and it as nothing to do with the lump of glass at all...poor maintenance not cleaning the drainage channels and keeping the drain clear


but as for sealing sunroof that is not a repair at all it is a cop out and a quick fix which doesn't solve the problem all it does do it means you have a sunroof you cannot use

H21 is not saying seal up the roofs themselves,they mainly leak where the cassette joins to the roof panel,that is what needs sealing up(on the D2 anyway)

Correct. The sunroof has 4 major components viz outer plastic part that's stuck to outside of roof, inside plastic part that has the drain tubes, operating mechanism etc coming from as well as the rubber seal that the moving glass panel seals against. The seal I refer to is the one fitted between the outer plastic housing and the outer metal roof skin and the inner plastic panel (with drains etc) that seals against the inner roof skin. Removal and reseating requires removal of interior side panels and roof liner before both sunroofs can be split and removed and resealed.

Once done, 99% of leaks are sorted and glass panel remains fully functional. 

It's not poor maintenance it's poor design and manufacturing.  :y
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: bigboykarl on 24 January 2014, 10:42:01
what sort of mpg does a td5 achieve...at the min i have a e320cdi which averages 30mpg around town and 40 ish at 85 on the motorway
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 January 2014, 12:57:18
This sums things up nicely

http://www.repairmylandrover.co.uk/featured-items/alternative-land-rover-owners-manual

One of my favourites:

A note about Landrover horns. It may not be possible to hear the horn sounding whilst driving your vehicle as we fitted the quietist one we could find, that is because Landrover Plc do not wish to contribute to sound pollution. This horn works by giving a small, none damaging, electric shock to an ant that lives in metal box on the front grill, this causes the said critter to fart through a small trumpet, we think. Sh*t if you can’t hear a Landrover heading towards in the first place you are as deaf as a post so sounding the horn is a useless exercise anyway… The sound deadening we omitted to fit to your vehicle also helps prevent you hearing the horn above the cacophony of mechanical noise that emanate from your vehicle during normal use
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: henryd on 24 January 2014, 16:33:02
what sort of mpg does a td5 achieve...at the min i have a e320cdi which averages 30mpg around town and 40 ish at 85 on the motorway

Thats a distant dream for any Discovery 2 :-\
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: henryd on 24 January 2014, 16:35:13
This sums things up nicely

http://www.repairmylandrover.co.uk/featured-items/alternative-land-rover-owners-manual

One of my favourites:

A note about Landrover horns. It may not be possible to hear the horn sounding whilst driving your vehicle as we fitted the quietist one we could find, that is because Landrover Plc do not wish to contribute to sound pollution. This horn works by giving a small, none damaging, electric shock to an ant that lives in metal box on the front grill, this causes the said critter to fart through a small trumpet, we think. Sh*t if you can’t hear a Landrover heading towards in the first place you are as deaf as a post so sounding the horn is a useless exercise anyway… The sound deadening we omitted to fit to your vehicle also helps prevent you hearing the horn above the cacophony of mechanical noise that emanate from your vehicle during normal use

Lol ;D ;D
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: TheBoy on 24 January 2014, 17:21:20
This sums things up nicely

http://www.repairmylandrover.co.uk/featured-items/alternative-land-rover-owners-manual

One of my favourites:

A note about Landrover horns. It may not be possible to hear the horn sounding whilst driving your vehicle as we fitted the quietist one we could find, that is because Landrover Plc do not wish to contribute to sound pollution. This horn works by giving a small, none damaging, electric shock to an ant that lives in metal box on the front grill, this causes the said critter to fart through a small trumpet, we think. Sh*t if you can’t hear a Landrover heading towards in the first place you are as deaf as a post so sounding the horn is a useless exercise anyway… The sound deadening we omitted to fit to your vehicle also helps prevent you hearing the horn above the cacophony of mechanical noise that emanate from your vehicle during normal use
PMSL.

Still, still beats a Yamaha horn. It was so bad, I replaced it, only to discover the new one was even quieter ;D
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: joff on 26 January 2014, 01:40:13
Wife is on her second TD5 and this one is one of the first 99T reg, it now has over 205K on it. 10P engine code
EGR removed
De-cat
Removed centre box (not chipped yet) and pulls like a train 30mpg all day long. Poly bushed all over. :y

I have two spare engines in the garage, a 10P in bits almost at point of rebuild and a 15P with normal head issue (no4 injector hole leaking fuel past it which is a £150 to have welded and re-cut) to start work on this summer.
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: Martin_1962 on 26 January 2014, 10:16:43
Wife is on her second TD5 and this one is one of the first 99T reg, it now has over 205K on it. 10P engine code
EGR removed
De-cat
Removed centre box (not chipped yet) and pulls like a train 30mpg all day long. Poly bushed all over. :y

I have two spare engines in the garage, a 10P in bits almost at point of rebuild and a 15P with normal head issue (no4 injector hole leaking fuel past it which is a £150 to have welded and re-cut) to start work on this summer.

75000 on a ten year old one.

The switch placement is very random.

Lights are only halogen, not so nice after Xenons
Title: Re: Discovery TD5
Post by: TheBoy on 26 January 2014, 13:40:33
Lights are only halogen, not so nice after Xenons
Check the connections to the chassis are good, they sometimes get a bit of corrosion, increasing resistance.