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Title: Europe is gradually cooling
Post by: Rods2 on 19 January 2014, 22:03:41

Analysis of tree rings shows that Europe has been cooling 0.3degC / 1000 years for the last 2000 years, which is why during Roman times this plus a warm period explains why the south side of the North and South Downs were used for growing grapes and producing wine.  :y :y :y

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120709092606.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120709092606.htm)

Title: Re: Europe is gradually cooling
Post by: Entwood on 19 January 2014, 22:09:49

statistics can be used to prove anything .. just choose the right time period and the right data set... :(

Whilst not a tree hugger or a global warming protaganist ... my simple brain tells me the data set quoted in that study fails to take into account the effects of the industrial revolution of the last 200 years ..  as, as far as I know, the Romans of 2000 years ago didn't burn coal/oil/gas or fly aircraft or have oil powered shipping or cars.

IMHO the comparisons are worthless from a mathematical/logical perspective.

Title: Re: Europe is gradually cooling
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 January 2014, 22:20:05

Without looking, I'm sure there's a statistic which clearly shows that the recent single volcanic eruption in Iceland produced more greenhouse gasses than mankind ever did... :-\

Title: Re: Europe is gradually cooling
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 20 January 2014, 06:25:20

Quote from: Rods2 on 19 January 2014, 22:03:41

Analysis of tree rings shows that Europe has been cooling 0.3degC / 1000 years for the last 2000 years, which is why during Roman times this plus a warm period explains why the south side of the North and South Downs were used for growing grapes and producing wine.  :y :y :y

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120709092606.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120709092606.htm)

So in 2000 years Europe has cooled down 0.6C, hardly a biggie imo.....

Title: Re: Europe is gradually cooling
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 20 January 2014, 08:12:16

The house over the road from me has a green front door .............

Title: Re: Europe is gradually cooling
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 20 January 2014, 15:01:43

whatever the statistics says , I have made my decision.. seasonal temperatures aside, even monthly temperatures start to vary widely..   december was worse than last years february.. and now january 15 celcius daytime..  :o  I'm in that city for more than 37 years and first time I see something like that..

Title: Re: Europe is gradually cooling
Post by: 05omegav6 on 20 January 2014, 15:26:55

 To put that into context, 37 years out of the last 2 millenia is pretty insignificant. :-\
Locally all the shit that's been blown up in the middle east in that time is as likely a cause for your findings as global climate change...

Title: Re: Europe is gradually cooling
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 January 2014, 15:30:21

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Title: Re: Europe is gradually cooling
Post by: Gaffers on 20 January 2014, 15:49:14

Quote from: Lincs Robert on 20 January 2014, 08:12:16

The house over the road from me has a green front door .............

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