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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: conalnugent on 02 February 2014, 13:21:55

Title: gasket paper any good???
Post by: conalnugent on 02 February 2014, 13:21:55
I dont know about the rest of the omegas but the 2.5td is a pain in the arse to find gaskets for and there dam expensive.  For example I need a set of inlet manifold gaskets and they work out about 6 quid each so timss this by 6 and its hardly cheap.  I remember complaining years ago about the 2.5 v6 inlet man gasket being £2 lol.

Anyways are the gasket paper sheets any good? What thickness and brands are reliable? IIf anyone could send me an ebay link That would be great. Also, what type/brand of instant gasket is good? They vary on ebay from 2 -15 quid.

Thanks
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: TheBoy on 02 February 2014, 13:38:24
Of all the times I removed the inlet on my TD, I never damaged a gasket. So while I always kept a spare set on the shelf in case I did, they are robust enough to reuse.
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: conalnugent on 02 February 2014, 14:03:09
The set I have on are only about 6 weeks old. I instant gasketed both sides. The old ones were baked solid. When reusing the ones that I put on a while back do I need to take the instant gasket off them and redo them or will it be ok just lifting manifold off and plopping it back on?
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: TheBoy on 02 February 2014, 18:36:11
I never instant gasketted or anything like that.
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: Shackeng on 03 February 2014, 17:02:46
IIRC someone suggested a while back that BMW gaskets were cheaper, but I may have made that up.:-\ CAF were £6.18 +VAT last year. :o
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: Seth on 04 February 2014, 01:36:44
Try your local Land Rover people ;)
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: Kevin Wood on 04 February 2014, 09:17:18
I very much doubt paper gasket would be any good on a V6s inlets. The standard rubber gaskets can take up any misalignment between heads and I doubt a paper gasket would be compliant enough. There's also very little surface for a gasket to seal against. The abolition of paper gaskets is a key reason why modern cars generally retain their fluids rather than dripping them wherever they are parked, IMHO.

I too have never had a problem re-using the standard rubber seals, but I fit them with just a smear of oil or grease and never use any compound on them. Perhaps this is the key?
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: Seth on 04 February 2014, 10:46:31
I very much doubt paper gasket would be any good on a V6s inlets. The standard rubber gaskets can take up any misalignment between heads and I doubt a paper gasket would be compliant enough. There's also very little surface for a gasket to seal against. The abolition of paper gaskets is a key reason why modern cars generally retain their fluids rather than dripping them wherever they are parked, IMHO.

I too have never had a problem re-using the standard rubber seals, but I fit them with just a smear of oil or grease and never use any compound on them. Perhaps this is the key?


2.5TD dear boy. 2.5TD! ::)


I dont know about the rest of the omegas but the 2.5td is a pain in the arse to find gaskets for and there dam expensive.  For example I need a set of inlet manifold gaskets and they work out about 6 quid each so timss this by 6 and its hardly cheap.  I remember complaining years ago about the 2.5 v6 inlet man gasket being £2 lol.

Anyways are the gasket paper sheets any good? What thickness and brands are reliable? IIf anyone could send me an ebay link That would be great. Also, what type/brand of instant gasket is good? They vary on ebay from 2 -15 quid.

Thanks
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 04 February 2014, 11:55:39
Gasket paper would work fine
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: 05omegav6 on 04 February 2014, 21:56:41
Try your local Land Rover people ;)
Second most supported vehicles on the road, after the MGB ;D  ::)

BMW also (used to) have a discount scheme for cars over 4 years old... just need the reg/chassis number from a similarly aged 3/5 series :y
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: bootie on 05 February 2014, 19:46:06
Gasket paper would work fine

What thickness?
I can get loads out here on the rig.....
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: Webby the Bear on 05 February 2014, 20:23:46
I used gasket paper once for a thermostat housing on a Nissan Micra in the work shop. It started and we ran it a few times and then found it leaking.

When I took it apart it was all soaked and acted just like, well, paper lol

Having said all that I have no idea whether it should be used in this application or what grade of paper it was so I can't say whether it was crap or whether I simply used it in the wrong application. but thought I'd share anyway  :)
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: conalnugent on 05 February 2014, 22:54:50
Ive found a place online that does the inlet gaskets.  All six for 10 including delivery. Will report back with pics and quality when they arrive.
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 February 2014, 11:42:37
I used gasket paper once for a thermostat housing on a Nissan Micra in the work shop. It started and we ran it a few times and then found it leaking.

When I took it apart it was all soaked and acted just like, well, paper lol

Having said all that I have no idea whether it should be used in this application or what grade of paper it was so I can't say whether it was crap or whether I simply used it in the wrong application. but thought I'd share anyway  :)

Big difference between a cooling system and an inlet, for contact with liquids there is a different gasket type you use other than simple paper. :y
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: conalnugent on 06 February 2014, 13:41:52
Now were learning.  :y

Can the coolant ones be got in sheet form
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: 05omegav6 on 06 February 2014, 13:50:54
Would have thought so :-\

iirc, the thermostat gaskets on the Cologne lump were waxed (or similar) card :-\
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: conalnugent on 07 February 2014, 19:29:04
Just got them gaskets today from  GSF CAR PARTS. Was a little scared but decided to takr a gamble. Thought they were going to be Chinese rubbish.  But hey presto they are the proper job. Elring gaskets too no less. £10 for the six and that was with free delivery too. Not bad concidering the cheapest I could find on e gay were £8 for just 1. Must get a nosey around the rest of their site and see what else is cheap.
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: TheBoy on 08 February 2014, 10:33:36
Just got them gaskets today from  GSF CAR PARTS. Was a little scared but decided to takr a gamble. Thought they were going to be Chinese rubbish.  But hey presto they are the proper job. Elring gaskets too no less. £10 for the six and that was with free delivery too. Not bad concidering the cheapest I could find on e gay were £8 for just 1. Must get a nosey around the rest of their site and see what else is cheap.
GSF have outlets in most major towns over here (although there local stock holdings are often not great), and usually not competitive (but very convenient if you need something quick). Never used them for mail order though.

Despite what the documentation says, I'd try to reuse them in the future, so just fit the new gaskets dry. As I said earlier, I never replaced mine, despite having a spare set in the garage, and I must have taken my inlet off at least 30 or 40 times (as you have to remove it to do almost anything on that engine ;D
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: conalnugent on 08 February 2014, 11:22:37
Thats why I bought this set to have as spares. Going to chage heater plugs today. Any tips or advice?? Will they come out easy or will they need wd40 to death or engine heated??
Title: Re: gasket paper any good???
Post by: CaptainZok on 08 February 2014, 11:26:32
Brings back memories of my Dad showing me how to make gaskets with a paper bag, some grease and a ball pein hammer.