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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: powerslinky on 25 February 2014, 17:39:47
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Hi all
any info on this little problem greatly received
Firstly as mention on my other thread front heated seats stopped working :'(
Was advised to check various fuses as fuse 14 ( the one I thought was the front heated seats was ok)
checked all fuses out & Fuse 29 was blown . It was only a Red 10 where as my owners handbook says Yellow 20.
I replaced with a 20 & heated seats would now switch on :) :)
after about a minute smoke started rising from the top of the climate panel directly above the drivers heated seat switch.
Switched off both seats & removed fuse , which was not blown.
Also noticed from the owners manual that fuse 29 covers"airbag, cooling fan, courtesy lamp as well as heated seats " and my airbag
light has been on since I recently changed seats. What & where would be cooling fan & courtesy lamp so I can check if these are working
Could this have also caused the airbag light to stay on . Problem with that is that I just removed the airbag bulb on Sunday as it was
driving me nuts as I have not been able to get a tech2 put on it to put it out :( :(
TIA :y
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Here is a copy from the online handbook/s
29 Cooling fan,
heated seats,
courtesy lamp,
airbag,
terminal 30:
constant current for
caravan/trailer
10 A
29 Cooling fan,
heated seats,
courtesy lamp,
airbags
10 A
Both versions show Fuse 29 as a 10A fuse
Hope that helps
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GM's wiring diagrams show F29 is 10A
A fuse is there to protect the wiring, and thus a larger one should never, ever be put in. That's how fires start.
I assume it was all working before you buggered around swapping seats, so I'd be inclined to go back to that working configuration, and then work forward from there.
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Although you may also need to remove the centre console components and inspect the wiring condition, following tuning it to channel smoke :'(
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Here is a copy from the online handbook/s
29 Cooling fan,
heated seats,
courtesy lamp,
airbag,
terminal 30:
constant current for
caravan/trailer
10 A
29 Cooling fan,
heated seats,
courtesy lamp,
airbags
10 A
Both versions show Fuse 29 as a 10A fuse
Hope that helps
Bit of confusion here . . . my owners handbook (edition TS1433-2 June 2001) says : 20A
Marks DTM posted a comprehensive listing of cabin fuses for all cars back in October 2006 & shows a 30A
Really confused now . Also where it mentions "cooling fan" would that be the ones in front of the rad then ?
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Although you may also need to remove the centre console components and inspect the wiring condition, following tuning it to channel smoke :'(
Oops ! not looking good eh TB ? :'( :'( :'(
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Although you may also need to remove the centre console components and inspect the wiring condition, following tuning it to channel smoke :'(
Oops ! not looking good eh TB ? :'( :'( :'(
Well, as said, the fuse's only job is to protect the wiring. By effectively bypassing the fuse (by slapping a bigger one in), you are putting the wiring at risk, and the smoke you witnessed is likely to have been the wiring.
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GM's wiring diagrams show F29 is 10A
A fuse is there to protect the wiring, and thus a larger one should never, ever be put in. That's how fires start.
I assume it was all working before you buggered around swapping seats, so I'd be inclined to go back to that working configuration, and then work forward from there.
I appricate that TB . . . but looking it up in my owners book said a 20A . . . thinking that an under rated fuse would blow.
Don't think there is any damage , there was no burning smell & only a slight sighting of smoke .
there is almost certainly a problem with the heater pads , so can I unplug these from below the seats as I am not bothered about the heated seats ?
and then put a 10A back in to run the other bits ? :-\ :-\
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I'd go back to where it was all working, esp as you've managed to bring on your airbag light, get it all working, then move forward to where you want to be.
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Airbag light and non functioning heaters following seat swap. Anyone else hearing alarm bells?
They were the correct seats, weren't they?
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Airbag light and non functioning heaters following seat swap. Anyone else hearing alarm bells?
They were the correct seats, weren't they?
Yep . . from FL elite in to FL MV6 got them from Albs . We thought the airbag prob was to do with the child seat gizmo /sensor in the cabin light.
The airbag light on was intermittant at first after swap then constant after a day or two
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Airbag light and non functioning heaters following seat swap. Anyone else hearing alarm bells?
They were the correct seats, weren't they?
got me thinking now TB . . . said seats came from an 02 3.2 Elite that Albs broke . . . but could they have been incorrectly transplanted into that car?
How do I tell which era they are ?
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A fuse is there to protect the wiring, and thus a larger one should never, ever be put in. That's how fires start.
A "reputed" autoelectrician did that to ex-BiL's car, having miswired the stereo... the next day all the smoke escaped from the wires...
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Airbag light and non functioning heaters following seat swap. Anyone else hearing alarm bells?
They were the correct seats, weren't they?
Yep . . from FL elite in to FL MV6 got them from Albs . We thought the airbag prob was to do with the child seat gizmo /sensor in the cabin light.
The airbag light on was intermittant at first after swap then constant after a day or two
Passenger seat fitted with transponder for child seat, flat yellow rectangular plug underneath said seat connected
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Airbag light and non functioning heaters following seat swap. Anyone else hearing alarm bells?
They were the correct seats, weren't they?
got me thinking now TB . . . said seats came from an 02 3.2 Elite that Albs broke . . . but could they have been incorrectly transplanted into that car?
How do I tell which era they are ?
That`s your SRS light problem. Guess you plugged in the yellow flat rectangular plug under passenger seat
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Airbag light and non functioning heaters following seat swap. Anyone else hearing alarm bells?
They were the correct seats, weren't they?
got me thinking now TB . . . said seats came from an 02 3.2 Elite that Albs broke . . . but could they have been incorrectly transplanted into that car?
How do I tell which era they are ?
That`s your SRS light problem. Guess you plugged in the yellow flat rectangular plug under passenger seat
Yes Rob . . . but unplugged it again just after . Tech 2 to remove light I think . . so taken bulb out as a temporary measure
how do I tell if they are FL seats & not an earlier edition ? :-\
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Airbag light and non functioning heaters following seat swap. Anyone else hearing alarm bells?
They were the correct seats, weren't they?
got me thinking now TB . . . said seats came from an 02 3.2 Elite that Albs broke . . . but could they have been incorrectly transplanted into that car?
How do I tell which era they are ?
That`s your SRS light problem. Guess you plugged in the yellow flat rectangular plug under passenger seat
Yes Rob . . . but unplugged it again just after . Tech 2 to remove light I think . . so taken bulb out as a temporary measure
how do I tell if they are FL seats & not an earlier edition ? :-\
Front headrests should be marked "active"
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Fuse #29 is a 30A. I`d be checking behind centre console at seat heater switch wiring first
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Fuse #29 is a 30A. I`d be checking behind centre console at seat heater switch wiring first
TIS says 10A for 2003 (I didn't check 2002)
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Fuse #29 is a 30A. I`d be checking behind centre console at seat heater switch wiring first
TIS says 10A for 2003 (I didn't check 2002)[/color]
2002 sez 10A to + 2002 owners manual same.
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Fuse #29 is a 30A. I`d be checking behind centre console at seat heater switch wiring first
TIS says 10A for 2003 (I didn't check 2002)
Ok . . . my car is 2001 2.6 MV6 & a 10A was fitted but blew when I switched on drivers side seat heater. Seats now
fitted came from an '02 3.2 Elite
Update now is that put a 10A back in fuse 29 tonight . . tried passenger side first & all ok fuse not blowing & seat heaters working .
Then tried drivers side . .but switch seems stuck & won't revolve as normal to switch on . Could it be a dodgy switch
that caused this?
I have a spare set of switches so could just swapping that one :-\ :-\
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Airbag light and non functioning heaters following seat swap. Anyone else hearing alarm bells?
They were the correct seats, weren't they?
got me thinking now TB . . . said seats came from an 02 3.2 Elite that Albs broke . . . but could they have been incorrectly transplanted into that car?
How do I tell which era they are ?
That`s your SRS light problem. Guess you plugged in the yellow flat rectangular plug under passenger seat
Yes Rob . . . but unplugged it again just after . Tech 2 to remove light I think . . so taken bulb out as a temporary measure
how do I tell if they are FL seats & not an earlier edition ? :-\
Front headrests should be marked "active"
Can't see that anywhere on the front headrests Rob . Also just got the original MV6 cloth headrests out of shed & no "active" markings on them either. where exactly does it say it ?
Bugger . . >:( >:(Have just chucked another set of black leather FL seats over the tip last week , bet they were the active ones :'( :'(
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Can't see that anywhere on the front headrests Rob . Also just got the original MV6 cloth headrests out of shed & no "active" markings on them either. where exactly does it say it ?
"Active" should be on the tubes that the headrests slide into
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Can't see that anywhere on the front headrests Rob . Also just got the original MV6 cloth headrests out of shed & no "active" markings on them either. where exactly does it say it ?
"Active" should be on the tubes that the headrests slide into
nope . . . can't see that on the FL leather elites now fitted or the original MV6 cloth seats. Have pulled one of the original tubes out of the cloth seat . . . but can't see "active" anywhere on it :-\ :-\ :-\
I can post up part number of original FL cloth tube if that helps
Also if being "Active" is it advisable not to pull the tube out of the leather seat to have a close look ?
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OK . . . think it is sorted now ;)
Front seats fitted in car now have a date tag of 12- 08 - 2000
Update to what I have done now : changed drivers heated seat switch . . still the same problem ,it blows the 10A fuse No.29 as soon as you switch it on .
with drivers heater off . . passenger side works fine
So have now disconnected the heater from drivers seat below the seat . this was a single connector with 2 wires 1 brown & 1 black.
Passenger side still works fine & no fuses blowing :) :)
Still no clearer as to what fuse rating should be 10a 20a or 30a so going with a 10a
So will just leave it like this ;) presume it is the usual heater element fault :-\
Thanks for all Oof responses & help :y :y :y :y
Al ;)
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How easy is it to swap out the element/s? You could prove the drivers seat wiring etc ok if you swapped the elements over
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How easy is it to swap out the element/s? You could prove the drivers seat wiring etc ok if you swapped the elements over
Was told it is not easy . . even more difficult on leather, and although I have a working set of cloth seats to take elements out of . . . think I will just leave as is ;)
what is really annoying is that I only just chucked away another set of Elite leathers last week . Although rears were water damaged from the shed . . the fronts were good :( :( :(
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Thats typical you don't need something until just after you throw it away :)
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Your fuse box shouldvbe colour coded... ie pull a thirty amp fuse and the centre of the space should have green paint on it and so on :y
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Just to add, the active headrest gubbins is in the seat not the headrest, if you took the back cover off a fl seat and a mid fl one the extra mechanism is obvious :y
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Your fuse box shouldvbe colour coded... ie pull a thirty amp fuse and the centre of the space should have green paint on it and so on :y
Ah ! good point that Al . . . will go & check right now . . . stand by for result ;)
Edit: colour code shows RED so 10A . . . which is what was fitted & what is now in place.
It seems that the heater pad/s in the driver seat have failed . . . as said disconnected below seat so no heater . .
But I can live with that . . . it's SWMBO in the passenger seat who likes her bum warm ;D ;D ;D