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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Kate on 10 March 2014, 19:51:18
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Hi all.
My MOT is due on Sunday and I have a few questions about it if you don't mind:
1. If your car fails its MOT does that mean you cant use it even if there is some time remaining on you current MOT certificate?
2. My idler arm needs changing. Is that a big job?
3. My ABS ECU needs replacing. So does the timing belt. Are these two completely separate jobs or is it possible to combine them?
4. Some garages advertise MOT's for half price. What's the catch?
5. Do you have any other advice for getting your car through its MOT?
I'm moving to Cornwall on the 22nd so I'ma bit worried about this now.
Thanks for all the help. :y :-* :-* :-*
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If it fails then you won't be able to use it even if there is time left on the old MOT but if it passes the time will be carried over
Usually the catch is that it fails and they make up with the work done to get it through
I think the Idler arm is a tricky job as to it being where it is
ABSA ECU could fail it on MOT but timing belt won't
give it an oil and filter change it will help the emissions and add a injector cleaner to the fuel and give it a thrash down the motorway to clear out things. :y :-*
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If it fails then you won't be able to use it even if there is time left on the old MOT but if it passes the time will be carried over
Usually the catch is that it fails and they make up with the work done to get it through
I think the Idler arm is a tricky job as to it being where it is
ABSA ECU could fail it on MOT but timing belt won't
give it an oil and filter change it will help the emissions and add a injector cleaner to the fuel and give it a thrash down the motorway to clear out things. :y :-*
Thanks very much. :y :-* :-*
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As far as I can recall.If your car fails M.O.T. but there is still time remaining on old one then yes the original stays in force.I could be wrong and no doubt other more worthy types will know more.Sorry can't help with other questions.Must type faster,and apparently going on Kevinp58s answer I was wrong anyway!!
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Idler is only a ten(ish) minute job, just requires the front end off the ground for access :y
Two nuts, two hammers, a spanner and new idler are all that's required :y
ABS ecu fiddly, but only six screws... have you the new one yet :-\
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Idler is only a ten(ish) minute job, just requires the front end off the ground for access :y
Two nuts, two hammers, a spanner and new idler are all that's required :y
ABS ecu fiddly, but only six screws... have you the new one yet :-\
Yes I've got a new one. I'm getting the timing belt done soon so was wondering if it's best to get the ABS part fitted at the same time?
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That depends on the Mot :-\
How overdue is the belt :-\
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That depends on the Mot :-\
How overdue is the belt :-\
3 Years overdue. :o :o :o
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Ah. Might be an idea to get it done all at once then :-\
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Ah. Might be an idea to get it done all at once then :-\
Do the same parts have to be removed for both jobs or are they different?
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Totally unrelated... Cambelt requires stripping the front/top of the engine (nothing like as drastic as it sounds).
Abs ecu requires the bonnet to be opened and not much else.
Steering idler needs two bolts nuts removing and nowt else.
:y
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If it fails the MOT it is an unroadworthy vehicle - the degree of "unroadworthiness" does vary, but essentially the failure notice informs you that it is not roadworthy.
It is an offence to drive an unroadworthy vehicle... (it actually doesn't matter if this is "knowingly" or not .. the offence stands.) .. although it is legal to drive it away for repair UNLESS it is failed as "dangerous".. in which case it can't go anywhere...
So once it fails that is it .. and the new system puts the failure onto the computer instantly, so every ANPR camera in the UK knows ... :)
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ANPR is a very good point, its all so quick these days and getting harder to hide anything ???
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Thanks for that. :y
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IIRC the "new" MOT failure doesn`t cancel the existing one so the car can still be legally driven unless the tester has deemed it "unsafe for use"
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IIRC the "new" MOT failure doesn`t cancel the existing one so the car can still be legally driven unless the tester has deemed it "unsafe for use"
Sorry .. totally disagree ...
From the VOSA site
If your vehicle fails the test
You’ll get a ‘notification of failure’ from the test centre if your vehicle fails the test. The failure will be recorded in the secure central MOT database.
You can still drive your vehicle if it fails the test and its existing MOT certificate is still valid (ie you got it tested before the expiry date). However, you might be stopped by police and prosecuted if your vehicle is unroadworthy.
My highlight .. if its failed the MOT it is unroadworthy ..... and the system knows it ...
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IIRC the "new" MOT failure doesn`t cancel the existing one so the car can still be legally driven unless the tester has deemed it "unsafe for use"
Sorry .. totally disagree ...
From the VOSA site
If your vehicle fails the test
You’ll get a ‘notification of failure’ from the test centre if your vehicle fails the test. The failure will be recorded in the secure central MOT database.
You can still drive your vehicle if it fails the test and its existing MOT certificate is still valid (ie you got it tested before the expiry date). However, you might be stopped by police and prosecuted if your vehicle is unroadworthy.
My highlight .. if its failed the MOT it is unroadworthy ..... and the system knows it ...
+1 :y :y
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With any luck Jason will read this thread and give us his opinion from a trafpol point of view.... he after all is the one who will see the ANPR readout as he cruises behind you ..... :)
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With any luck Jason will read this thread and give us his opinion from a trafpol point of view.... he after all is the one who will see the ANPR readout as he cruises behind you ..... :)
On the back of a recovery truck more than likely ;D ;D
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...... However, you might be stopped by police and prosecuted if your vehicle is unroadworthy.[/i]
My highlight .. if its failed the MOT it is unroadworthy ..... and the system knows it ...
That always applies, irrespective of whether it's been for and failed an MOT or not
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yes, unroadworthy in the police eyes has nothing to do with unroadworthy in the MOTs eyes.
even with a new MOT certificate, for example, there are a myriad of reasons why you could quite rightly be pulled over for having an unroadworthy vehicle.
on the other hand, an MOT "unroadworthy" fail could not be used as unroadworthy evidence in its own right, especially if there is also an MOT pass in place.
so yes, the MOT pass is still valid, even if there is a subsequent fail
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There is some difference of opinion here obviously.
So if I got my car tested on Thursday and it failed the Police wouldn't pull me over as my current MOT runs out on Sunday?
Would I be safe to drive on Thursday and Friday to get the work sorted?
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Would I be safe to drive on Thursday and Friday to get the work sorted?
Depends what it fails on ;)
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IMHO this is why the 13 month MOT exists.
You take your car for MOT at 11 months, all being well you get anothers year, well 13 month ticket.
All not being well, you have time to fix the car before the 'old / current' MOT runs out.
Should the car be a dangerous MOT fail, then the MOT'ing garage can flag this and demand it be fixed on site / trailered away to be fixed before being allowed back on the road.
May not be accurate, but it is my understanding of the system.
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Sorry .. totally disagree ...
From the VOSA site
If your vehicle fails the test
You’ll get a ‘notification of failure’ from the test centre if your vehicle fails the test. The failure will be recorded in the secure central MOT database.
You can still drive your vehicle if it fails the test and its existing MOT certificate is still valid (ie you got it tested before the expiry date). However, you might be stopped by police and prosecuted if your vehicle is unroadworthy.
My highlight .. if its failed the MOT it is unroadworthy ..... and the system knows it ...
^^^^^ Absolutely spot on ^^^^^
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Sorry .. totally disagree ...
From the VOSA site
If your vehicle fails the test
You’ll get a ‘notification of failure’ from the test centre if your vehicle fails the test. The failure will be recorded in the secure central MOT database.
You can still drive your vehicle if it fails the test and its existing MOT certificate is still valid (ie you got it tested before the expiry date). However, you might be stopped by police and prosecuted if your vehicle is unroadworthy.
My highlight .. if its failed the MOT it is unroadworthy ..... and the system knows it ...
^^^^^ Absolutely spot on ^^^^^
but as said above ...... that's the case any way, irrelevant of when the MOT is due.
The only difference now, is that with the computerised system, 'they' now know you know there's a fault on the car
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May not be accurate, but it is my understanding of the system.
Likewise
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Would have thought that both steering idler and no abs would attract Dangerous as a failure point :-\
Book the car in for first thing on Monday and get the work done as planned :y
Worth noting that it might fail on one or more other items anyway, but fixing what you know to be wrong before it's tested improves its chances...
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should I point out here that I've recently qualified as an MOT examiner ?
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Regardless of if it's mot'd or not , if the cam belt is 3 years over due I wouldn't use the car ::)
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Well I took it for the MOT today.
It failed as expected on the idler, ABS and some welding behind the front off side wheel. Serek is busy so I got a quote for £265 which is all the money I have at the moment. I've booked it in for next Wednesday.
The mechanic said they should hook the computer up really to check the ABS but they charge £45 so I couldn't afford the extra. Knowing my luck they will replace the ABS and it will be a speed sensor at fault. ;D
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Hi all, Nige PM'd me re. this & this is the reply I gave
Basically what it says on VOSA, I've queried this in the past with them. If the previous MOT is still valid you can still drive it, although have an RTC which results in a serious or fatal, the vehicle will be seized anyway & fully examined by VOSA.
There is no legislation for it at the moment, and I'd have thought they'd close this loophole, but it seems not. at the scene of any serious or fatal cars are inspected at the scene and usually seized for inspection.
The ticket for no MOT is not endorsable anyway, however the fine has increased to £100.
Little bit more to add -
On PNC it will show when the current MOT will expire.
It is a VERY grey area, just think how many vehicles are on the road with 1 (or more) lights out, they wouldn't pass an MOT, yet they aren't taken off the road. It is an annual test to check the condition of the vehicle, BUT you are soley responsible for maintenance standards regardless.
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Thanks Jason. :y
So I'm not likely to get stopped before Sunday then?
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Thanks Jason. :y
So I'm not likely to get stopped before Sunday then?
Not if you don't tell everyone on tinterweb ::)