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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: cem_devecioglu on 11 April 2014, 17:36:24
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I'm planning to change the battery location .. probably to boot..
what problems I may face.. any opinions welcome :y
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Why?
Apart from the need for hefty leads to minimise voltage drop, unless you opt for a sealed battery you will obviously need to consider possible spillage, fumes/acid vapour and the like. I'm sure there are other factors that Oofers will come up with, too......
Ron.
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... Not least where and how to mount it securely :-\
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Why?
Apart from the need for hefty leads to minimise voltage drop, unless you opt for a sealed battery you will obviously need to consider possible spillage, fumes/acid vapour and the like. I'm sure there are other factors that Oofers will come up with, too......
Ron.
thanks Ron :y
the reason is using some different aparats and need space.. :-\
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... Not least where and how to mount it securely :-\
yep.. thats another question :-\
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Batteries have been boot mounted in rally cars for years, 5mm/6mm cable, and a short length or a good strap for the earth, a battery box nob jobbed.
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Batteries have been boot mounted in rally cars for years, 5mm/6mm cable, and a short length or a good strap for the earth, a battery box nob jobbed.
Thanks biggriffin.. details noted :y
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If using a wet battery make sure the box is vented,by a length of pipe/hose to outside.
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If using a wet battery make sure the box is vented,by a length of pipe/hose to outside.
using ac delco , not sure they are wet or anything else :-\
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If using a wet battery make sure the box is vented,by a length of pipe/hose to outside.
using ac delco , not sure they are wet or anything else :-\
google search shows that they must be wet as dry batteries are very expensive ???
and I must also use a battery mat..
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The battery in my Jag is in the boot (as standard) - no issues day to day, but downsides . . . would be a pain in the arse to change as fitted under boot floor next to spare wheel, so empty boot, lift floor, and battery itself is huge (354x175x190mm) and weighs 25Kg, and is awkward to reach!!! :-\
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The battery in my Jag is in the boot (as standard) - no issues day to day, but downsides . . . would be a pain in the arse to change as fitted under boot floor next to spare wheel, so empty boot, lift floor, and battery itself is huge (354x175x190mm) and weighs 25Kg, and is awkward to reach!!! :-\
Not as bad as having to remove the driver's seat ???
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The battery in my Jag is in the boot (as standard) - no issues day to day, but downsides . . . would be a pain in the arse to change as fitted under boot floor next to spare wheel, so empty boot, lift floor, and battery itself is huge (354x175x190mm) and weighs 25Kg, and is awkward to reach!!! :-\
Not as bad as having to remove the driver's seat ???
I was waiting for you to comment ;)
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Having the battery in the boot is very handy when your battery dies in the car wash queue. ::)
Jump leads straight to the car behind and I was in the wash, left the engine running during the wash and I was away! :y
The bird in the car behind was a bit arsey about it though. ::) ;D
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The older BMW 3 series and M series, to name a few had the Batteries in the Boot, from memory some were the same size / spec as the Omega's (065) but with a vent tube from the top of the battery, Some 065 Battery's come with the vent hole plugged, so a tube can be inserted to go the the boot floor, see pics below. ;)
Also worth considering having a additional Positive Jump Point, wired directly to the starter motor and good Engine Earth point in the Engine Bay, for two reasons, 1, so you dont have to empty the Boot to jump Start your Car, and 2, a shorter lead resistance to the Starter Motor when your rear Battery is flat. Again you can get the Engine Bay parts from a BM, Jeep, Porshe etc, see last Pic :y
(http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/e60-m5-e61-m5-touring-discussion/305697d1379038604-2008-e60-m5-battery-replacement-dsc_7535.jpg)
(http://www.euroaddiction.net/DIY/Porsche/Battery/battery10.jpg)
(http://www.euroaddiction.net/DIY/Porsche/Battery/battery1.jpg)
(http://www.racepad.com/proj/racepad_m3/euro_motor_project/e36_battery_terminal_02%5Blg%5D.jpg)
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I was waiting for you to comment ;)
Moi! ::)
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I guess making room for a turbo?
Biggest issue I can see are the secure mounting (which shouldn't be too hard), and the cabling (quite awkward to run that sort of cable, ask any chav who has fitted a 10,000gigawatt amp in the boot ;D).
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Turbo :)
Anyone superchaged an Omega yet :-\
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The battery in my Jag is in the boot (as standard) - no issues day to day, but downsides . . . would be a pain in the arse to change as fitted under boot floor next to spare wheel, so empty boot, lift floor, and battery itself is huge (354x175x190mm) and weighs 25Kg, and is awkward to reach!!! :-\
opps.. really surprising.. :o thanks Dbug :y
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Having the battery in the boot is very handy when your battery dies in the car wash queue. ::)
Jump leads straight to the car behind and I was in the wash, left the engine running during the wash and I was away! :y
The bird in the car behind was a bit arsey about it though. ::) ;D
2 weeks ago night time , one friend with a 7 years old automatic honda called me.. battery dead.. we cant move the car and his parking position was a nightmare because cables were not that long.. to cut the story short I had to drive the clit into a high kerb and climb :(
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The older BMW 3 series and M series, to name a few had the Batteries in the Boot, from memory some were the same size / spec as the Omega's (065) but with a vent tube from the top of the battery, Some 065 Battery's come with the vent hole plugged, so a tube can be inserted to go the the boot floor, see pics below. ;)
Also worth considering having a additional Positive Jump Point, wired directly to the starter motor and good Engine Earth point in the Engine Bay, for two reasons, 1, so you dont have to empty the Boot to jump Start your Car, and 2, a shorter lead resistance to the Starter Motor when your rear Battery is flat. Again you can get the Engine Bay parts from a BM, Jeep, Porshe etc, see last Pic :y
(http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/e60-m5-e61-m5-touring-discussion/305697d1379038604-2008-e60-m5-battery-replacement-dsc_7535.jpg)
(http://www.euroaddiction.net/DIY/Porsche/Battery/battery10.jpg)
(http://www.euroaddiction.net/DIY/Porsche/Battery/battery1.jpg)
(http://www.racepad.com/proj/racepad_m3/euro_motor_project/e36_battery_terminal_02%5Blg%5D.jpg)
thanks for the explanative answer Zirk :y all noted..
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I guess making room for a turbo?
Biggest issue I can see are the secure mounting (which shouldn't be too hard), and the cabling (quite awkward to run that sort of cable, ask any chav who has fitted a 10,000gigawatt amp in the boot ;D ).
;D yep.. and not only that.. the only part you cant estimate is its not for omega.. I decided to keep it as it is.. as the car is very healthy and it took me many years and a serious cost to bring the car to that point.. may be only I will bore it to 3.0 .. and its my long range transport so I dont want to face any problem while on a mountain passage.. and one more point even with that engine (currently 188 hp) , it can travel many times the legal road speed ..
but clit definitely needs space under the hood.. not only battery also all air inlet boxes removed .. and in re-building stage now.. :-\
ps: at first I decided to turbo the miggy.. apart from the cost, its not my daily drive because I have a big big big parking problem in job >:(
although I prepared all necesssary info and read zillions of pages , I finally decided for clit
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Turbo :)
Anyone superchaged an Omega yet :-\
superchargers are more expensive and most tuners dont know how to tune it.. :( and try to avoid it for some stupid reason
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easyiest way to mount battery in boot is get a battery box-thats what I got--battery is completely encased in box---or make your own box cem--that should be quite easy to do :y :y
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Not to hard to do.
You will need a mount plate and strap (plenty available from the likes of kit car suppliers and many modern cars fully enclose the batteries)
Cable will need to be substantial, not worked out the volt drop but I would expect at least 25mm2 required for the pos and a good short cable to the chassis for the neg.
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The older BMW 3 series and M series, to name a few had the Batteries in the Boot, from memory some were the same size / spec as the Omega's (065) but with a vent tube from the top of the battery, Some 065 Battery's come with the vent hole plugged, so a tube can be inserted to go the the boot floor, see pics below. ;)
Also worth considering having a additional Positive Jump Point, wired directly to the starter motor and good Engine Earth point in the Engine Bay, for two reasons, 1, so you dont have to empty the Boot to jump Start your Car, and 2, a shorter lead resistance to the Starter Motor when your rear Battery is flat. Again you can get the Engine Bay parts from a BM, Jeep, Porshe etc, see last Pic :y
(http://www.racepad.com/proj/racepad_m3/euro_motor_project/e36_battery_terminal_02%5Blg%5D.jpg)
Yep, as said above, Bm's have a 'positive terminal post' under the bonnet. It is now a 'post' rather than the connection box and is available as a bracket. The battery compartment is in the boot and the leads are fitted with detonators (or whatever they are called) to disconnect the battery terminals in the event of an accident. Otherwise there is no quick way of isolating the battery terminals to stop it shorting in the event of an accident. :y
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easyiest way to mount battery in boot is get a battery box-thats what I got--battery is completely encased in box---or make your own box cem--that should be quite easy to do :y :y
thanks Symes.. probably a custom box/chasis will be built :y
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Not to hard to do.
You will need a mount plate and strap (plenty available from the likes of kit car suppliers and many modern cars fully enclose the batteries)
Cable will need to be substantial, not worked out the volt drop but I would expect at least 25mm2 required for the pos and a good short cable to the chassis for the neg.
as starters we will use 6 mm thick cable.. thanks Mr DTM :y
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The older BMW 3 series and M series, to name a few had the Batteries in the Boot, from memory some were the same size / spec as the Omega's (065) but with a vent tube from the top of the battery, Some 065 Battery's come with the vent hole plugged, so a tube can be inserted to go the the boot floor, see pics below. ;)
Also worth considering having a additional Positive Jump Point, wired directly to the starter motor and good Engine Earth point in the Engine Bay, for two reasons, 1, so you dont have to empty the Boot to jump Start your Car, and 2, a shorter lead resistance to the Starter Motor when your rear Battery is flat. Again you can get the Engine Bay parts from a BM, Jeep, Porshe etc, see last Pic :y
(http://www.racepad.com/proj/racepad_m3/euro_motor_project/e36_battery_terminal_02%5Blg%5D.jpg)
Yep, as said above, Bm's have a 'positive terminal post' under the bonnet. It is now a 'post' rather than the connection box and is available as a bracket. The battery compartment is in the boot and the leads are fitted with detonators (or whatever they are called) to disconnect the battery terminals in the event of an accident. Otherwise there is no quick way of isolating the battery terminals to stop it shorting in the event of an accident. :y
thanks .. noted :y
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Being a clit...
Battery in boot on rhs, nothing under the boot floor except spare, try and bolt it down to the tail of the chassis rail (such as it is) but be sure to avoid/allow for the spare wheel contact points. I would locate it against the wheel tub, as near to the back rest as practical to keep it away from the rear corner just in case.
Run the cable down the centre of the car, shielding it as it passes the handbrake/gearlever and route it to the batteries original location through a convenient hole in the bulkhead. Mount the remote terminal here as well :y
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Being a clit...
Battery in boot on rhs, nothing under the boot floor except spare, try and bolt it down to the tail of the chassis rail (such as it is) but be sure to avoid/allow for the spare wheel contact points. I would locate it against the wheel tub, as near to the back rest as practical to keep it away from the rear corner just in case.
Run the cable down the centre of the car, shielding it as it passes the handbrake/gearlever and route it to the batteries original location through a convenient hole in the bulkhead. Mount the remote terminal here as well :y
thanks Al.. all noted :y