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Title: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: X30XE on 20 April 2014, 19:06:30
http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/vauxhall-omega-26-v6-auto-ex-police-car-quick-sale-needed/1057794612

300bhp from a 2.6 without use of a turbo... Two words spring to mind... "Bull" and "Sheet"  ::)

Who wants to break it to him that painting your plenum blue doesn't make it faster  :)
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: martin42 on 20 April 2014, 19:21:07
Just messaged him to see if he has a dyno print out stating bhp and torque figures  ;D
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: 05omegav6 on 20 April 2014, 19:33:55
 :-X
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: btc on 20 April 2014, 21:03:08
Did the police use 2.6 omegas
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: tigers_gonads on 20 April 2014, 21:07:43
I'll sell him my 3ltr cams, manifold and plastic divider.
Should boost it upto at least 400 bhp   ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: martin42 on 20 April 2014, 21:19:13
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The police dont pass on that sensitive information.  But all 2.6 omegas were mapped too 300 bhp..


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Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: X30XE on 20 April 2014, 21:20:32
Did the police use 2.6 omegas

I very much doubt it  ;)
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: X30XE on 20 April 2014, 21:21:28
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The police dont pass on that sensitive information. But all 2.6 omegas were mapped too 300 bhp..


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Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: tigers_gonads on 20 April 2014, 21:23:42
Did the police use 2.6 omegas

I very much doubt it  ;)


Tbh, the coppers did use the 2.2's with factory lpg fitted for some roles
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: badmuver on 20 April 2014, 21:43:05
only 141.000 miles and a auto for a plod car ? ???
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 20 April 2014, 22:15:38
one word : bollix!


without individual throttle per cylinder setup (non-existent in the picture) ,heavily worked cylinder head and very special map, there is no way a na 2.6 can produce 300 hp ..  even an 3.2 m3 with all those can hardly pass 300 hp..
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: Yasmine Lee on 20 April 2014, 22:25:02
speak to any race engine builder they will say that the MAX you cab get on a normally aspirated engine in 100BHP per ltr.

So a 2.6 should be no more than 260BHP (at a bloody hard push) but yes will require a lot of work at a cost of at least a couple of grand.

Some how I do not think the police will do that.

Police spec cars use same engines as road cars but the cars are lightened. maybe a slight remap but thats all.
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: ted_one on 20 April 2014, 22:26:30
I have a 2001 ex DPG 3.2 auto,which I bought in 2004 with 40.000 miles on the clock,service history confirms to be correct.also have another ex met car with 74000 miles on it..MOT checker says it's correct unless the cops clocked it before decommisioning :-\ also have a 2001 3.2 with printout at 241 ponies :D
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: Kevin Wood on 20 April 2014, 22:30:46
Where's TheBoy?

We should get this thing on the rollers. He might be in for a new set of ear warmers at this rate. :D

300 BHP from a 2.6? ;D ;D ;D

Just "remapped to" 300 BHP, as if it's as simple as changing a few numbers in the map? Words fail me. ::)
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: ted_one on 20 April 2014, 22:34:28
Got to be a misunderstanding some where in the mix,or that engine is a mobile grenade waiting for the pin to be pulled :o :y
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: Yasmine Lee on 20 April 2014, 22:36:51
anyone notify gumtree that this may be a bad ad?
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: X30XE on 20 April 2014, 22:57:28
anyone notify gumtree that this may be a bad ad?

You jest surely?  :D
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: ted_one on 20 April 2014, 23:01:15
Big misconception amongst the general public as to what the police do to their cars,which is virtually nothing,just add the usual 
electronics and livery,may be beef up the rear end to carry motorway accident equipment on those cars. Think now when it comes to Vauxhall they go for the VXR specs.Josh Wyatt is the man on this subject as we all know and I bow to his superior knowledge on this subject :y
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: tigers_gonads on 20 April 2014, 23:03:53
speak to any race engine builder they will say that the MAX you cab get on a normally aspirated engine in 100BHP per ltr.

So a 2.6 should be no more than 260BHP (at a bloody hard push) but yes will require a lot of work at a cost of at least a couple of grand.

Some how I do not think the police will do that.

Police spec cars use same engines as road cars but the cars are lightened. maybe a slight remap but thats all.



Honda was getting 100 bhp per ltr as standard in a vtec road car over 20 years ago
Iirc, the 2ltr redtops in the caverlier bttc cars was getting close to 300 bhp in the late 80's with fancy cams and some lightening of the flywheel ect  :y


Anyway, I hope the police upgraded the autobox because 300 brake would trash a AR25 in about 10 minutes  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: tigers_gonads on 20 April 2014, 23:05:00
anyone notify gumtree that this may be a bad ad?

You jest surely?  :D



Nah, lets have some fun with the muppet first  :D :D
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: dbug on 20 April 2014, 23:06:26
The guys talking bollux - guess he hopes it will sell his car to some poor unsuspecting buyer.
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: ted_one on 20 April 2014, 23:21:16
It's a pity that there's no close up of the speedo as in a lot of ads, RS calibration sticker might have been a pointer to police ownership :-\
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: X30XE on 20 April 2014, 23:39:52
It's a pity that there's no close up of the speedo as in a lot of ads, RS calibration sticker might have been a pointer to police ownership :-\

The only remotely feasible possibility I would think is that it could have been a CID/Chief Insp. car, which wouldn't necessarily have had a calibrated speedo.  I viewed a facelift 3.0 estate years ago that had come from the plod with ~70k miles on, but other than the steelies and placcy wheel trims you wouldn't instantly know. Should have bought it with hindsight.  :-\ 
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 April 2014, 00:03:40
speak to any race engine builder they will say that the MAX you cab get on a normally aspirated engine in 100BHP per ltr.

So a 2.6 should be no more than 260BHP (at a bloody hard push) but yes will require a lot of work at a cost of at least a couple of grand.

Some how I do not think the police will do that.

Police spec cars use same engines as road cars but the cars are lightened. maybe a slight remap but thats all.



Honda was getting 100 bhp per ltr as standard in a vtec road car over 20 years ago

.. and they rev to around 8K RPM, IIRC.
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Iirc, the 2ltr redtops in the caverlier bttc cars was getting close to 300 bhp in the late 80's with fancy cams and some lightening of the flywheel ect  :y

I've seen one do that on a dyno, again it was doing about 9K RPM
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Anyway, I hope the police upgraded the autobox because 300 brake would trash a AR25 in about 10 minutes  ;D ;D

An engine that peaky with an autobox would be undriveable anyway, not to mention the fact that there's no way a V6 would stand the revs required to make that sort of power.
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: 05omegav6 on 21 April 2014, 00:37:15
only 141.000 miles and a auto for a plod car ? ???
Most Met Omegas were autos :y

The guys talking bollux - guess he hopes it will sell his car to some poor unsuspecting buyer.
Two minutes to swap out the speedo, means nothing :y
speak to any race engine builder they will say that the MAX you cab get on a normally aspirated engine in 100BHP per ltr.

So a 2.6 should be no more than 260BHP (at a bloody hard push) but yes will require a lot of work at a cost of at least a couple of grand.

Some how I do not think the police will do that.

Police spec cars use same engines as road cars but the cars are lightened. maybe a slight remap but thats all.
Nope... they might be lighter as they roll out of the factory, but by the time they're equipped...
Take the Omega, most civvy facelifts have sunroofs and electric rear windows, many have full electric seats. That little lot is probably 60kgs, but plod cars have extra bracing in the roof, springs are thicker (and therefore heavier). Fully equipped, a plod car will easily weigh more than an Elite with the same engine/gearbox :y

That car, with wood trim and CD spec seats is almost certainly not an ex plod car, especially being a 2.6...
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: 05omegav6 on 21 April 2014, 00:42:25
Also... prefacelift headrests, MID, no plod headlining, no xenons. Car has obviously be messed about, as none of the panels on the righthand side match either...

Wouldn't touch it with Stemos at £200, let alone £800 :-\
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: martin42 on 21 April 2014, 07:37:18
Add been reported as fraudulent  :y
Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 April 2014, 10:12:37
I agree with most of the comments above..  however, a naturally aspirated 2.0 litre honda s2000 can make 240 hp..


although I dont think the car mentioned in the ad have the necessary structure and work (which may cost a lot ) I still think that a gm v6 with a properly machined bottom end and some throttle setup can force the doors of 300 hp..


I already know a supercharged one with 400 hp +  nos.. :)





Title: Re: Remapped 2.6 (allegedly)
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 April 2014, 10:28:40
I agree with most of the comments above..  however, a naturally aspirated 2.0 litre honda s2000 can make 240 hp..


although I dont think the car mentioned in the ad have the necessary structure and work (which may cost a lot ) I still think that a gm v6 with a properly machined bottom end and some throttle setup can force the doors of 300 hp..


I already know a supercharged one with 400 hp +  nos.. :)


and yes 2.6