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Title: Moyes - New Job Already !
Post by: Rog on 24 April 2014, 12:45:03

Working for Nigel Farage at UKIP . . .

 . . . .he did such a good job of getting Man U out of Europe  ;)


Title: Re: Moyes - New Job Already !
Post by: r1 on 24 April 2014, 21:23:26
I like that  :y
Title: Re: Moyes - New Job Already !
Post by: chrisgixer on 24 April 2014, 21:34:59
Poor David. I do feel sorry for the bloke. Left a perfectly good club, for another that promised to give him time. :(

Not the best piece of Utd history. 
Title: Re: Moyes - New Job Already !
Post by: Toledodude1973 on 24 April 2014, 22:13:22
He's not poor ;D
Title: Re: Moyes - New Job Already !
Post by: chrisgixer on 25 April 2014, 07:10:30
It's a question of respecting the individual, and honouring contracts. While change is necessary along with NOT playing Filaini, what he was told is not what panned out.

Man Utd may well have issues with attracting a new manager as a result, given all the perspective targets are already employed.

Title: Re: Moyes - New Job Already !
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2014, 15:26:56
Saturdays game will be interesting . The reds are clear favourites to win  :-X
Title: Re: Moyes - New Job Already !
Post by: Rods2 on 25 April 2014, 18:01:02
Sport is a results led business which is why so many managers with clubs in the bottom half of the table get the sack. The strength of the squad suggests that Sir Alex got them to over perform last year, there is no doubt that they have underperformed this year and that is down to the manager.

Off the record comments from the players suggests that training was long and tedious in terms of tactics, that obviously didn't work. Sir Alex would have a gameplan, sort that out with the players in training and then in his words 'get them to express themselves' his trophy cupboard shows it worked. Now how many top trophies has Moyes won in football, ah yes none and this season shows why. At the very top the difference between winners and also rans can be a 1 or 2% advantage from team selection, positioning, training, tactics (including successful analysis of your opponents) and performance on the day. The manager is in charge of all of this.

If when you employ somebody and it is obviously not working then you mentor and train the staff, senior staff don't have that luxury as you are paying a high salary, where you expect them to know and prove that their job skills work, so they deliver. If they don't then there comes the point where you have no choice but to show them the door for the sake of the business.

Moyes was given a transfer budget last summer, which he used to try and attract players that weren't interested in joining Man Utd, missed out on those that would have strengthen the squad and then he panicked and bought a player for too much money they didn't need! This failure sowed the seeds for a poor season. Finishing 7th with no European football, especially Champions League football, has cost the club financially at some point you have to cut your losses. Now, I don't think is a bad time as they have time to employ a new manager, so he has the time to spend £100m+ on new players, so they don't have a second poor season.

Moyes is not the only guilty party, other people made mistakes in selecting a man that was not up to the job and the exceptionally high standards expected by the club. Like Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City they may now go through several managers before they find the right one or the senior management may do better this time and get the right one.
Title: Re: Moyes - New Job Already !
Post by: chrisgixer on 25 April 2014, 22:51:50
Giggs looked extremely relaxed in his first press conference as interim manager.
He knows the players probably better than Sir Alex. He knows the ropes, and he knows the Utd way. In fact, he was the Utd way for most of his career.

I know the club have said he will not be considered long term, and we've only seen a press conference from him so far. But I do wonder if things may have worked themselves out for the better? Especially as Scholes Butt and Phil Neville have joined him.

While playing for the legend, that was sir Alex Ferguson, must have stirred the sole. Imagine the power those 4 could muster.


...having said that, wasn't it Ferguson that said "great players don't make great managers, because they can't understand why not everyone can do what they could" or something like...?

Giggs might want to prove him wrong. Very very interesting. ...IMO of course. :)