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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 23 June 2014, 13:25:09
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Hi guys,
Massive thanks to Symes yesterday for helping me cut out a bunch of rot from my boot and body (under the bumper). I'll post up a few piccies later but all thats left now is:
> couple of 5p-sized rust bubbles ( i mentioned them before and will be doing these myself with sand paper and filler)
> chassis rails and sill surface rust. Am i ok to put underseal over the sills and chassis rails? i.e. will the mot man think ''hmmm, wondering what he's trying to cover up there?) Also, if i cant get ALL the rust off with the cup brush/drill combo but most of it is it still ok to jam the underseal on? or will it need cutting out/welding? (the picf i put on before, most folk said it just looks like surface rust)
> arches. going to cut these bad boys out and weld in new with the help of symes (thanks mate)
> finally, theres a patch i didnt even notice :-[ right above the passenger sill cover..... its quite bad i think. will have a butchers at some point
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You would be better using a cup brush on an angle-grinder than a drill. You get more power, and it's much more securely attached so you can work it harder. If you're going to be doing metalwork, you will need one for all sorts of stuff. The £15 ones are OK for light use, although stepping up to a decent brand around the £50 level gets a much more usable and and stronger tool.
As for the underseal, remove as much surface rust as you can, brush on your favourite metal paint and then apply an even coat of underseal.
You must have a damaged flat screwdriver somewhere? That's pretty similar to official MOT rust testing tool; use it to poke and scrape the suspect areas to evaluate how bad they are.
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Thanks Nick,
Yeah have got a cup brush as suggested a couple of times on here :) but yeah only a drill tho :(
So with the screw driver im looking for the cracking sound? if i dont hear that and it seems sturdy i can get off as much crud as poss (even if theres a bit left) and evenly underseal?
:)
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Result,sorry i couldnt get there yesterday,got a call out saturday evening and was urgent >:(
If your home wed eve il pop your stuff around as im in the area that evening :y
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Result,sorry i couldnt get there yesterday,got a call out saturday evening and was urgent >:(
If your home wed eve il pop your stuff around as im in the area that evening :y
Wondered if '4x4' was your new name ;)
no problem martin. Thanks that wud be great. Would you mind putting your eyes on my chassis rails and sills and see if you concur with my approach?
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Hope you sent our love to Symes :-* Sorry couldnt make it either mate , next time ;)
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no worries mate.
there'll defo be a nxt time ;)
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well it didn't fall off-so must be right ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D oh any weekend i'm not away at some event is fine with me mate-get those pix on here :y
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Thankis so much mate. symes is an expert!!!!
ill get those photos up asap.....
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Webby I strongly recommend this method
metal>
sand 60-80 grid
epoxy (wait 3 days minimum)
sand 150
filler (3-4 days minimum)
sand 240- 320
epoxy (3 days)
sand 500-600
2 layers of metallic paint (original color)(for surface check) let dry
sand 1000-1200
final paint+clear coat (layers as much you wish-but be careful number of layers more than 4-5 will change the color tone)
and calculate every layer 5-6 micron for 0.8 gun
and calculate every layer 7-8 micron for 1.3 gun (although it depends on your style)
so toast the filler in between :y
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and about arches : you can paint some portion for blending but must clearcoat whole panel
if you dont you are in trouble :-\
ps: as for filler apply as tiny layers , not a thick one at a time.. or it will fracture
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Cem, is this for the rust spots or chassis rails/sills?
I'm assuming the rust spots. going to be honest mate i'm not a body expert (im actually not an expert at anything lol) so ive got some filler, some course sand paper (cant remember what grit) and some fine sand paper to finish it off.
ive then got a can of primer, a can of star silver and a can of laquer! lol
as they're only small spots and mainly hidden i'm not too fussed (obviously ill try and make it look good)
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Cem, is this for the rust spots or chassis rails/sills?
I'm assuming the rust spots. going to be honest mate i'm not a body expert (im actually not an expert at anything lol) so ive got some filler, some course sand paper (cant remember what grit) and some fine sand paper to finish it off.
ive then got a can of primer, a can of star silver and a can of laquer! lol
as they're only small spots and mainly hidden i'm not too fussed (obviously ill try and make it look good)
it doesnt matter .. you have to toast filler between epoxy layers , either on body panels or chasis rail.. because filler itself is effected by many things including water , moisture whatever.. I'm not sure an ordinary primary will be good for water and filler insulation :-\
ps: even epoxy has a time limit for resistance
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heres the pix webby didnt get on :y
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x429/sy427/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20ME-PC/webbys%20miggy/076_zpsc91f5eea.jpg)
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x429/sy427/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20ME-PC/webbys%20miggy/077_zpsdd3e3b58.jpg)
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x429/sy427/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20ME-PC/webbys%20miggy/078_zpsa8253eae.jpg)
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x429/sy427/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20ME-PC/webbys%20miggy/080_zps7fd1a373.jpg)
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x429/sy427/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20ME-PC/webbys%20miggy/082_zpsee482eba.jpg)
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x429/sy427/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20ME-PC/webbys%20miggy/085_zps94b6cfca.jpg)
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(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x429/sy427/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20ME-PC/webbys%20miggy/091_zps038e87c6.jpg)
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:o :o :o :o
Thats some serious tin rot :( Those arches are a lot worse than when i last seen it :(
Just had my rear bumper off , no signs of any rust thankfully . looks like you had a busy day :D
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:o :o :o :o
Thats some serious tin rot :( Those arches are a lot worse than when i last seen it :(
Just had my rear bumper off , no signs of any rust thankfully . looks like you had a busy day :D
No mate took more time chattin and moochin about ;D
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:o :o :o :o
Thats some serious tin rot :( Those arches are a lot worse than when i last seen it :(
Just had my rear bumper off , no signs of any rust thankfully . looks like you had a busy day :D
No mate took more time chattin and moochin about ;D
Thats sounds about right better ;D What were chassis legs like ? And when is the next appointment as mig is out of the body shop now :y
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arrange that with Webby mate and let me know--its that simple really---oh took him for blast in the rover--For sum reason he swore a lot ;D ;D
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arrange that with Webby mate and let me know--its that simple really---oh took him for blast in the rover--For sum reason he swore a lot ;D ;D
;D ;D A memorable experience the last time we came up ;) Hope mr webby learnt a few things from teacher about welding , did he weld that repair panel in ?
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looking at the pictures it will be very economical to use epoxy .. one box is around 4 litre.. and with that you can solve the problems of cars in 10th numbers at minimum :y
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Sorry symes, I shoulda got them up earlier.... :-[
I did a little bit of welding ;D its definitely an art form!!!! and symes is the master. t'other side is fine tho. strange!
yep, next meet will be to do the arches!!! :y
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Sorry symes, I shoulda got them up earlier.... :-[
I did a little bit of welding ;D its definitely an art form!!!! and symes is the master. t'other side is fine tho. strange!
yep, next meet will be to do the arches!!! :y
Its the shaping of the filler and blending in the paint that is a pain :(
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Right boys....
im just about to go and do this job now. can you just confirm im doing this right.....
1.) cup brush as much rust off as possible
2.) I got some kurust... treat sills and chasis rails with that
3.) paint... i have primer, star silver and lacquer.... can i just use this??? without the lacquer presumably?
4.) underseal
5.) beer
cem, thanks for all that advice but got to be honest im on a bit of a budget and i don't have paint gun etc
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Wire brush treat rust then underseal ;)
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Well, broke out the wire wheel (cup) and the Kurust.
Srry about the quality of the photos but I've put it all back together and I'm leaving the Kurust over night...
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/webbybear1/rust1_zpsff19d0a9.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/webbybear1/media/rust1_zpsff19d0a9.jpg.html)
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/webbybear1/rust2_zps9426c229.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/webbybear1/media/rust2_zps9426c229.jpg.html)
its certainly not perfect as theres a bunch of fuel lines, wires etc to avoid but it didn't all come off with the wire brush. however it did all turn blue as it said it should.
do you reckon im good to go with painting then undersealin' tomorrow :)