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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: ckz on 05 August 2014, 22:56:50

Title: Wheel nut security
Post by: ckz on 05 August 2014, 22:56:50: Guys,
Any idea how to get from my omega the security wheel nut off?
I didn't get one with the car but want to respray the alloys.
I have some mates with vauxhall but they all have different ones.
I don't want to spend loads of penny's because once of I throw them as far as I can.
Usualy they getting lost so no need for them as this only gets expensive.
I rather replace them with standart bolts.

It's just how and where to get them off cheap and easy?
Thanks
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: Andy B on 05 August 2014, 23:05:57: Ask nicely at ATS (when they're not busy) ...... :y
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: omega3000 on 05 August 2014, 23:07:35: Or this (http://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=L&ai=CEK_CPVXhU8CaK-vE7Qap-YDYC6rMsasEqp_Z0KABsv6xopICCAQQAygFUI3-5O0EYLu2q4PQCsgBB6kC3gAz38FPvD6qBCdP0BFsFWGj8M1HTebXUbfwvpWiye2GPCVs047VXrpUjRwGn7QLBunABQWgBiaAB-Kl4xyQBwOoB6a-G-ASt7_M_LqS-ZWFAQ&sig=AOD64_2qCJhnFqrBroiYoPMAZPOdhHI2Xg&ctype=5&ved=0CC4Qww8&adurl=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-134428-41853-0/2%3Fipn%3Dicep%26icep_id%3D67%26mtid%3D1673%26kwid%3D1%26crlp%3D43044613506_563391%26icep_item_id%3D151169384619%26itemid%3D151169384619%26icep_meta_categ_id%3D131090%26icep_etrs%3DY%26icep_epid%3D-999%26icep_ctlg%3D-999%26icep_cond%3DNew%26targetid%3D73623437106%26rpc%3D0.20%26rpc_upld_id%3D33578%26device%3Dc%26icep_msku_flag%3Dn%26icep_cbt%3Dn%26adtype%3Dpla)

:y
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: Andy B on 05 August 2014, 23:19:20: Quote from: Emd on 05 August 2014, 23:07:35
Or this (http://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=L&ai=CEK_CPVXhU8CaK-vE7Qap-YDYC6rMsasEqp_Z0KABsv6xopICCAQQAygFUI3-5O0EYLu2q4PQCsgBB6kC3gAz38FPvD6qBCdP0BFsFWGj8M1HTebXUbfwvpWiye2GPCVs047VXrpUjRwGn7QLBunABQWgBiaAB-Kl4xyQBwOoB6a-G-ASt7_M_LqS-ZWFAQ&sig=AOD64_2qCJhnFqrBroiYoPMAZPOdhHI2Xg&ctype=5&ved=0CC4Qww8&adurl=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-134428-41853-0/2%3Fipn%3Dicep%26icep_id%3D67%26mtid%3D1673%26kwid%3D1%26crlp%3D43044613506_563391%26icep_item_id%3D151169384619%26itemid%3D151169384619%26icep_meta_categ_id%3D131090%26icep_etrs%3DY%26icep_epid%3D-999%26icep_ctlg%3D-999%26icep_cond%3DNew%26targetid%3D73623437106%26rpc%3D0.20%26rpc_upld_id%3D33578%26device%3Dc%26icep_msku_flag%3Dn%26icep_cbt%3Dn%26adtype%3Dpla)

:y

Which is what ATS used on mine after the halfwit at Kwikfit snapped one of the pegs from the older style locking bolts 'key' >:(
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: biggriffin on 06 August 2014, 11:04:49: If Vauxhall nuts, go to local dealer they will have masters to remove. :y
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: terry paget on 06 August 2014, 12:04:24: Quote from: Emd on 05 August 2014, 23:07:35
Or this (http://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=L&ai=CEK_CPVXhU8CaK-vE7Qap-YDYC6rMsasEqp_Z0KABsv6xopICCAQQAygFUI3-5O0EYLu2q4PQCsgBB6kC3gAz38FPvD6qBCdP0BFsFWGj8M1HTebXUbfwvpWiye2GPCVs047VXrpUjRwGn7QLBunABQWgBiaAB-Kl4xyQBwOoB6a-G-ASt7_M_LqS-ZWFAQ&sig=AOD64_2qCJhnFqrBroiYoPMAZPOdhHI2Xg&ctype=5&ved=0CC4Qww8&adurl=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-134428-41853-0/2%3Fipn%3Dicep%26icep_id%3D67%26mtid%3D1673%26kwid%3D1%26crlp%3D43044613506_563391%26icep_item_id%3D151169384619%26itemid%3D151169384619%26icep_meta_categ_id%3D131090%26icep_etrs%3DY%26icep_epid%3D-999%26icep_ctlg%3D-999%26icep_cond%3DNew%26targetid%3D73623437106%26rpc%3D0.20%26rpc_upld_id%3D33578%26device%3Dc%26icep_msku_flag%3Dn%26icep_cbt%3Dn%26adtype%3Dpla)

:y
I wonder how it works. Appears to have an internal thread, and in black steel impact wrench material. Wheel nuts can be jolly tight. I have read here in the past that the only solution is to weld a 32mm rod to it. Please enlighten me.

If it really does work it makes the locking nuts pointless - every thief would carry one.
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: aaronjb on 06 August 2014, 12:28:03: Locking nuts are pointless.. most tyre places can get them off in seconds!
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: Andy B on 06 August 2014, 12:35:38: Quote from: terry paget on 06 August 2014, 12:04:24
....
I wonder how it works. Appears to have an internal thread, .... [/quote]

It works on the same principle as an Easyout ...... obviously externally rather than internally. ATS used one in conjuntion with a windy gun ...... not sure how effective they would be using a breaker bar/similar :-\
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: Webby the Bear on 06 August 2014, 12:53:50: Get local tyre shop to chisel them off.

All 4 of mine came off in about 2 mins and replaced with standard nuts :)
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: omega3000 on 06 August 2014, 14:02:08: Quote from: aaronjb on 06 August 2014, 12:28:03
Locking nuts are pointless.. most tyre places can get them off in seconds!

And if someone wants the wheels a poxy locking wheel nut wont stop them ;D

Quote from: Webby the Bear on 06 August 2014, 12:53:50
Get local tyre shop to chisel them off.

All 4 of mine came off in about 2 mins and replaced with standard nuts :)

:o
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: Webby the Bear on 06 August 2014, 14:31:39: Quote from: Emd on 06 August 2014, 14:02:08
Quote from: aaronjb on 06 August 2014, 12:28:03
Locking nuts are pointless.. most tyre places can get them off in seconds!

And if someone wants the wheels a poxy locking wheel nut wont stop them ;D

Quote from: Webby the Bear on 06 August 2014, 12:53:50
Get local tyre shop to chisel them off.

All 4 of mine came off in about 2 mins and replaced with standard nuts :)

:o

Well, when i say chiselled.... he made a groove in the side and then ''tapped'' it round
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: terry paget on 06 August 2014, 16:59:45: My recollection of the security bolts is of a steel loose ring around the outside, but a coded three hole pattern in the end, in which the special tool fitted. It would have been necessary to remove the outer ring before the special Sealey tool would have anything worth gripping. On an alloy wheel the security bolts sit deep in tunnels, not permitting easy removal of the steel ring. You say tyre shops do it in seconds. I still wonder how.
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: Andy B on 06 August 2014, 17:56:18: Quote from: terry paget on 06 August 2014, 16:59:45
My recollection of the security bolts is of a steel loose ring around the outside, but a coded three hole pattern in the end, in which the special tool fitted. It would have been necessary to remove the outer ring before the special Sealey tool would have anything worth gripping. On an alloy wheel the security bolts sit deep in tunnels, not permitting easy removal of the steel ring. You say tyre shops do it in seconds. I still wonder how.

The floating ring on the original 3 hole bolts was apparently slim enough to deform wen using the nut remover, tough I made a slim chisel to remove them on mine before I went back to ATS. The floating ring on the later biscuit cutter type is a lot more substantial
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: robson on 06 August 2014, 19:24:33: Like a power sounder get them off and throw away.
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: omega3000 on 06 August 2014, 21:46:37: Quote from: robson on 06 August 2014, 19:24:33
Like a power sounder get them off and throw away.

Before they weld on overnight or the key turns to cheese .
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: terry paget on 09 August 2014, 18:10:36: Outer ring is substantial and turns freely. With ring removed Sealey tool should grip nut well, but removing ring could be tricky on an alloy wheel.
Pics herewith of Vauxhall locking nut 91158463
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfxwttjozf3zbp1/wheelNUTlockHEAD40%25.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfxwttjozf3zbp1/wheelNUTlockHEAD40%25.jpg)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pfjxnfoezmcr4pz/wheelNUTlockSIDE40%25.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/pfjxnfoezmcr4pz/wheelNUTlockSIDE40%25.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: powerslinky on 09 August 2014, 18:13:33: Apologies for this . . . as I have just started a thread on the same subject :-[ :-[

got a similar problem . . .Should have read the latest postings before posting mine :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Wheel nut security
Post by: ckz on 09 August 2014, 22:11:54: sorted.
got from a work mate a setwhich came of a 2,2 omega.
fit the one i have
replacing it this week when i get the wheels of to refurbish.
thanks guys