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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 07 September 2014, 10:55:36
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With just over 10 days to go before the independence referendum an opinion poll from YouGov has put the Nationalists in front at 51%. I always thought that the 'Canny Scots' would resoundingly vote No, but now I'm not so sure. :-\ The debate is heating up and I bet there have been some raging arguments over Scottish dinner tables of late! ;D
To be honest with more powers promised to The Scottish Government in the event of a No vote (Bribery!) I'm starting to think that they might as well become independent anyway! ::)
One thing's for sure if they do vote Yes, then the divorce will be a long drawn out messy and costly affair that affect us all wherever you are in the UK. :(
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With just over 10 days to go before the independence referendum an opinion poll from YouGov has put the Nationalists in front at 51%. I always thought that the 'Canny Scots' would resoundingly vote No, but now I'm not so sure. :-\ The debate is heating up and I bet there have been some raging arguments over Scottish dinner tables of late! ;D
To be honest with more powers promised to The Scottish Government in the event of a No vote (Bribery!) I'm starting to think that they might as well become independent anyway! ::)
One thing's for sure if they do vote Yes, then the divorce will be a long drawn out messy and costly affair that affect us all wherever you are in the UK. :(
And therein lies the rub as Bill Shakespeare would say.
If Scotland gets independence it will cost every citizen of the UK millions, possibly billions to disentangle. So how come the rUK don't get to vote ?
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Well that fugly bitch, Ms Sturgeon has already declared that if its a "No Vote" they will re run it within 5 years :(
In other words, keep picking away at the scab until they get the result they want >:( >:( >:(
Got to admit though, the SNP has played a blinder when it was excepted that 16 year olds can vote because I think that could win it for them and lets be honest here, what does the average 16 year old know about the real world :(
I fear we are going to end up with a situation like Canada has with Quebec and believe me, that will destroy what's left of the union :(
As for so called "devo max" bribe that all parties are going on about, I say 'dangle berries' to it >:(
Live by the union rules or go :(
And before somebody thinks i'm some sort of jock hater, i'll tell you i'm 4 generation English and proud but there is a statue of my best known ancestor on top of a hill near Stirling ;)
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I've read elsewhere that Salmond intends to retire in the event of a Yes vote soon after the referendum. ::)
Here's some rough figures.
4.4 million eligible to vote in the referendum.
Estimated 80% turnout so 3.52 million will actually vote.
If it's a close majority in favour of independence, say 55% then that means that approximately 1.94 million people will decide the fate of a country of 66 million. >:(
That's democracy for you folks! ::) ;)
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Have already voted and i told salmond to ram it.
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I've read elsewhere that Salmond intends to retire in the event of a Yes vote soon after the referendum. ::)
Here's some rough figures.
4.4 million eligible to vote in the referendum.
Estimated 80% turnout so 3.52 million will actually vote.
If it's a close majority in favour of independence, say 55% then that means that approximately 1.94 million people will decide the fate of a country of 66 million. >:(
That's democracy for you folks! ::) ;)
The problem is if the 4.4 million all vote for one party, ;D the other 60 odd million out vote them every time. :'( :'( ;D
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If Trout Face actually wins he'll shit imsen. They want the so called 'Devo Max' and that is the reason the SNP have no answer to the currency, defence, debt, EU, security ETC ETC.
I pray they vote yes, 40 less Liebour MP's and a drain on our economy 're free prescription and tuition fees.
Train our young employed building skills, Hadrian needs a wall rebuilding. :y
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I hope the people of Scotland vote 'yes'.
We (The english taxpayer ::) ::)) have subsidised this inhospitable northern province for far too long. ::) ::) :P
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Do the scotch in Corby get a vote, ??? ;D ;D
A Ghost town, the new Guantanamo for our jihadists. :y :y
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Inhospitable northern province??? idiot
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Inhospitable northern province??? idiot
Well said Davie. A very small number of people on here are all big and brave on a computer.
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Let the Scots decide their future in the forthcoming voting.
That is democracy, so be it,and best of luck to them whatever their decision. :y :y
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I just hate people saying crap like that if anyone of you guys turned up at my door. you would be treated like anyone else to plenty of tea and biscuits. you could even use my indoor toilet
and please don't call us scotch its Scottish or scots. scotch is a drink
people seem to think we hate English people we don't I have already voted and I voted no so
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Inhospitable northern province??? idiot
Should that not read 'Inhospitable northern province??? idiot' The Noo'........ :D :D :D ;)
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nope I did write something else but the site changed it. I didn't write idiot I wrote a lady part beginning with T.
yea I run about saying the noo with my see you jimmy hat chasing haggis. another word beginning with T
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........if anyone of you guys turned up at my door. you would be treated like anyone else to plenty of tea and biscuits. you could even use my indoor toilet
Might call in then. Got five upgrades / installs to do in Glasgow and Cumbernauld and then another three Edinburgh way! :)
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no probs mate. got plenty of tea. and a omega needing loads of help :y
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.....and a omega needing loads of help :y
Haven't we all!
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.....and a omega needing loads of help :y
Haven't we all!
You too!.......... ;) :D :D
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Do the scotch in Corby get a vote, ??? ;D ;D
A Ghost town, the new Guantanamo for our jihadists. :y :y
Apparently they have already voted and most of them for the yes vote ::) Why if its so good in this town do they want to be independent but not live in Scotland :-\ :-\ :( :-\
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I just hate people saying crap like that if anyone of you guys turned up at my door. you would be treated like anyone else to plenty of tea and biscuits. you could even use my indoor toilet
and please don't call us scotch its Scottish or scots. scotch is a drink
people seem to think we hate English people we don't I have already voted and I voted no so
SCOTCH is the English word for those north of the border. :y
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I just hate people saying crap like that if anyone of you guys turned up at my door. you would be treated like anyone else to plenty of tea and biscuits. you could even use my indoor toilet
and please don't call us scotch its Scottish or scots. scotch is a drink
people seem to think we hate English people we don't I have already voted and I voted no so
SCOTCH is the English word for those north of the border. :y
I think that Scotch Corner has a lot to do with confusing the Soverners, and it is in North Yorkshire, you still have Durham, Tyne and Wear and Northumberland to go before you get to the boarder, well North of Hadrians Wall............ :D :D
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I just hate people saying crap like that if anyone of you guys turned up at my door. you would be treated like anyone else to plenty of tea and biscuits. you could even use my indoor toilet
and please don't call us scotch its Scottish or scots. scotch is a drink
people seem to think we hate English people we don't I have already voted and I voted no so
SCOTCH is the English word for those north of the border. :y
I think that Scotch Corner has a lot to do with confusing the Soverners, and it is in North Yorkshire, you still have Durham, Tyne and Wear and Northumberland to go before you get to the boarder, well North of Hadrians Wall............ :D :D
I think the scotch has addled thee head. :D ;D ;D ;D
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I hope the people of Scotland vote 'yes'.
We (The english taxpayer ::) ::)) have subsidised this inhospitable northern province for far too long. ::) ::) :P
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Everything North of the Watford Gap next then opti? ::) ;) ;D
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Freedom for Yorkshire, STMO for PM( Oh ! Shit he's a Scouser) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Freedom for Yorkshire, STMO for PM( Oh ! Shit he's a Scouser) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hey, it happens, well the other way around, Yarm is trying to move away back to North Yorkshire, from Stockton Borough AKA Teesside or Cleveland, very serious local politics it is....... ::) ::)
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VIVA DURHAM COUNTY! Viva freedom! Viva la Liberacion! ;D :y
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It would appear that only two Scottish people with a sense of humour... Billy Connoly and Rab C Nesbitt :D
Must say, I don't get the word filter sometimes... everbody knows that T w a t t is a place on the Orkney Mainland, yet it gets recycled into idiot, but you can say SLady bitshorpe all day long, which to me seems racist ::)
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VIVA DURHAM COUNTY! Viva freedom! Viva la Liberacion! ;D :y
That doesn't include Hartlepool.................. :P :P
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Well the markets this morning have given an indication of the turmoil should the Scots vote Yes. ::)
Sterling has plummeted against the Dollar and Euro, and shares in Scottish companies such as the engineering firm The Weir Group and Standard Life have dropped sharply which has dragged the FTSE down about 40 points already this morning! :(
It's going to be an interesting 10 days!! ::)
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I think up till now the business leaders have worked on the principle that the vote would go No, that everyone would have had their bit of democracy.
A Yes vote will have significant consequences e.g. costs incurred by rUK. A yes vote will open the floodgates throughout Europe for not just fragmentation of countries e.g. Wales, Catalunia will want their crack but the creation of new countries out of parts of adjacent countries. Pais Basco (part of France and Spain) Walonia (part of France and Belgium). Hell lets have North Yorkshire as a country. That way we wouldn't have to share Dracula and smoked Herrings revenue with rUK. ;D ;D
I read somewhere that our Queen is supposed to be neutral on such "democratic" issues. What rubbish. She should have stopped the vote dead in its tracks at the outset and made her government listen to and accommodate the issues of remote government such that they maybe. As I have said before IF it goes ahead, I hope the rUK asks for the Act of Settlement payment back with 300 years of interest.
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I think up till now the business leaders have worked on the principle that the vote would go No, that everyone would have had their bit of democracy.
A Yes vote will have significant consequences e.g. costs incurred by rUK. A yes vote will open the floodgates throughout Europe for not just fragmentation of countries e.g. Wales, Catalunia will want their crack but the creation of new countries out of parts of adjacent countries. Pais Basco (part of France and Spain) Walonia (part of France and Belgium). Hell lets have North Yorkshire as a country. That way we wouldn't have to share Dracula and smoked Herrings revenue with rUK. ;D ;D
I read somewhere that our Queen is supposed to be neutral on such "democratic" issues. What rubbish. She should have stopped the vote dead in its tracks at the outset and made her government listen to and accommodate the issues of remote government such that they maybe. As I have said before IF it goes ahead, I hope the rUK asks for the Act of Settlement payment back with 300 years of interest.
You mean reverse 800 years of democratic process and make Queen Elizabeth II an absolute monarch? ??? ???
Now where is Henry VIII? Where is Charles I? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Inhospitable northern province??? idiot
Takes one to know one. >:(
I'm far from the only person on here who thinks that Scotland is given preferential treatment when compared to England and Wales.
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Inhospitable northern province??? idiot
Well said Davie. A very small number of people on here are all big and brave on a computer.
It is obvious to even those of limited intelligence that my post was written 'tongue in cheek'.......the number of smilies are evidence of this.
However, there was always a possibility that it might offend the 'deeply humourless'..... ;D ;D That's life.
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Just an idea . . . . . deep fried of course !
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/Old_Mosher/ScottishMarsBarCurrency_zpsc7dd5c74.jpg) (http://s77.photobucket.com/user/Old_Mosher/media/ScottishMarsBarCurrency_zpsc7dd5c74.jpg.html)
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Anyway, back on track .......... ;D ;D
Yes I know its the Daily Mail before somebody starts blubbing but some very good points made here :)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2747275/SIMON-HEFFER-Ten-burning-questions-Scotland-votes-yes.html
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How can what you said be humorous? I for one didn't find it funny and i do have a sense of humour. So away and bite my hairy arse
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If they vote Yes, whose legal system will be used for the divorce proceedings? ???
I assume it will be the English legal system as the Act of Union was drawn up in Westminster? :-\ I bet the big law firms are hoping for a Yes result and will be rubbing their hands together at the prospect! ::)
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If they vote Yes, whose legal system will be used for the divorce proceedings? ???
I assume it will be the English legal system as the Act of Union was drawn up in Westminster? :-\ I bet the big law firms are hoping for a Yes result and will be rubbing their hands together at the prospect! ::)
Will it really....I mean really, make a difference to the average Joe? I'm not sure.
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Will it really....I mean really, make a difference to the average Joe? I'm not sure.
Probably not as according to Salmond and Sturgeon, Scotland is a really wealthy country. So I think they can afford the costs of the divorce, their own currency, relocation of Trident, their share of the national debt, the establishment of border fences, checkpoints, and patrols etc etc :y
Although given the reaction of the markets today to the YouGov poll it might in the short term, as most peoples pensions and investments are tied into the stock market in one way or another. :(
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Will it really....I mean really, make a difference to the average Joe? I'm not sure.
Probably not as according to Salmond and Sturgeon, Scotland is a really wealthy country. So I think they can afford the costs of the divorce, their own currency, relocation of Trident, their share of the national debt, the establishment of border fences, checkpoints, and patrols etc etc :y
Although given the reaction of the markets today to the YouGov poll it might in the short term, as most peoples pensions and investments are tied into the stock market in one way or another. :(
It amazes me how people(and news channels) latch on to one poll and do it to death. Most of the other polls show the no vote in the majority.
It seems to me that Salmond, like Putin, knows how to make that shower of shit in parliament dance to his tune.
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VIVA DURHAM COUNTY! Viva freedom! Viva la Liberacion! ;D :y
That doesn't include Hartlepool.................. :P :P
Once the Scots have got their independence heads out of their arses, Hartlepool is going to announce a Unilateral Declaration of Independance. I'm hoping to have two aircraft carriers fishing cobles & their fleet escort groups (armed canoes) Commissioned & ready to patrol Home waters ASAP! 8)
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VIVA DURHAM COUNTY! Viva freedom! Viva la Liberacion! ;D :y
That doesn't include Hartlepool.................. :P :P
Once the Scots have got their independence heads out of their arses, Hartlepool is going to announce a Unilateral Declaration of Independance. I'm hoping to have two aircraft carriers fishing cobles & their fleet escort groups (armed canoes) Commissioned & ready to patrol Home waters ASAP! 8)
You've not take your Meds again Phil....... :D :D ;) :y
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VIVA DURHAM COUNTY! Viva freedom! Viva la Liberacion! ;D :y
That doesn't include Hartlepool.................. :P :P
Once the Scots have got their independence heads out of their arses, Hartlepool is going to announce a Unilateral Declaration of Independance. I'm hoping to have two aircraft carriers fishing cobles & their fleet escort groups (armed canoes) Commissioned & ready to patrol Home waters ASAP! 8)
You've not take your Meds again Phil....... :D :D ;) :y
Have too!!!!!! :-* ;D
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VIVA DURHAM COUNTY! Viva freedom! Viva la Liberacion! ;D :y
That doesn't include Hartlepool.................. :P :P
Once the Scots have got their independence heads out of their arses, Hartlepool is going to announce a Unilateral Declaration of Independance. I'm hoping to have two aircraft carriers fishing cobles & their fleet escort groups (armed canoes) Commissioned & ready to patrol Home waters ASAP! 8)
You've not take your Meds again Phil....... :D :D ;) :y
Have too!!!!!! :-* ;D
Well you need them reviewed........ :D :D :y
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I'm going to see my personal Physician int mornin' mike, I will pass on your Best Wishes :y ;D
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I'm going to see my personal Physician int mornin' mike, I will pass on your Best Wishes :y ;D
Please do, I need something stronger myself.......... :D :D :y
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I'm going to see my personal Physician int mornin' mike, I will pass on your Best Wishes :y ;D
Please do, I need something stronger myself.......... :D :D :y
I believe that a certain Dr A. Salmond from Edinburgh markets a particularly strong brand of snake oil. :y
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I'm going to see my personal Physician int mornin' mike, I will pass on your Best Wishes :y ;D
Please do, I need something stronger myself.......... :D :D :y
I believe that a certain Dr A. Salmond from Edinburgh markets a particularly strong brand of snake oil. :y
Does it work?......... ;) ;)
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I'm going to see my personal Physician int mornin' mike, I will pass on your Best Wishes :y ;D
Please do, I need something stronger myself.......... :D :D :y
I believe that a certain Dr A. Salmond from Edinburgh markets a particularly strong brand of snake oil. :y
Does it work?......... ;) ;)
No one's tried it yet, but I understand quite a few are tempted! :)
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I'm going to see my personal Physician int mornin' mike, I will pass on your Best Wishes :y ;D
Please do, I need something stronger myself.......... :D :D :y
I believe that a certain Dr A. Salmond from Edinburgh markets a particularly strong brand of snake oil. :y
Does it work?......... ;) ;)
No one's tried it yet, but I understand quite a few are tempted! :)
;) ;) :y
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Just heard on the news that the UK government will protect the Scottish NHS from any future cuts or austerity measures in the event of a No vote. So will they be making the same commitment to the English, Welsh and Northern Irish NHS's ? ::) You have to wonder at whose expense will the Scottish NHS be protected and the obvious answer is England, rightly or wrongly..... :-\
The thing I don't understand is that Salmond and his merry crew have been saying that the people of Scotland need to vote Yes to protect the Scottish NHS from Tory cuts and privatisation, but the Scottish NHS is run by the Scottish Government already isn't it? ::) :-\
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It's quite amusing to watch the "No" side squirm as the polls deviate from what they expected. ;D Not one of them thinking beyond tomorrow's headlines. IMHO, how we organise government of the UK isn't the biggest issue we face, it's the quality of the people putting themselves up to do the governing, on both sides of the political spectrum, and Hadrian's wall. :(
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I think that Camoron, Millipede and Co are showing themselves up for the spineless oppswits that they are. >:(
They are terrified of the SNP and are just rolling over to secure that No vote. ::)
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'Pit the younger' needs Scotland to say no or Labour face the reality of never getting I again.
I personally would not like to see a separate Scotland, I love Scotland an like the Scottish and don't want to see them go the way of Ireland with financial crisis and miss leadership.
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Mr Salmond sings his manifesto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5nnAvOdvnQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
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I personally would not like to see a separate Scotland, I love Scotland an like the Scottish and don't want to see them go the way of Ireland with financial crisis and miss leadership.
I didnt really want to comment on this subject because if theres a yes vote people will call for a border poll over here. It has been on the agenda for a while now with one side repeatedly calling for it, but once the scottish vote was annouced they quietened down to see what will happen. The republic of ireland got hit very hard with the receesion with the fall of the celtic tiger and are still in bad situation.
If I comment about scotland staying in the union I then align myself to one side or the other and that therefore aligns me to a certain side over here. This is an open forum and I want to stay neutral. I have read some of the negative comments on other threads about northern ireland and scotland but all those years ago who invaded who and won? Theres still many reminders of the plantation here.
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I think that Camoron, Millipede and Co are showing themselves up for the spineless oppswits that they are. >:(
They are terrified of the SNP and are just rolling over to secure that No vote. ::)
They have handed PMQ's over to deputies and all the leaders are freaking off to Scotland, flying the Saltire over our public buildings. WTF it's like try to hang on to a girl who's just dumped you, let 'em go if they want to. :-\
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I think that Camoron, Millipede and Co are showing themselves up for the spineless oppswits that they are. >:(
They are terrified of the SNP and are just rolling over to secure that No vote. ::)
They have handed PMQ's over to deputies and all the leaders are freaking off to Scotland, flying the Saltire over our public buildings. WTF it's like try to hang on to a girl who's just dumped you, let 'em go if they want to. :-\
Good analogy. ;D
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I think that Camoron, Millipede and Co are showing themselves up for the spineless oppswits that they are. >:(
They are terrified of the SNP and are just rolling over to secure that No vote. ::)
They have handed PMQ's over to deputies and all the leaders are freaking off to Scotland, flying the Saltire over our public buildings. WTF it's like try to hang on to a girl who's just dumped you, let 'em go if they want to. :-\
Aye , and there will be no turning back :P
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If Putin has a mind to, he could bring the Cold War to NATO, assuming the Chinese don't get in there first ::)
And if Scotland think that they can raise revenue from landing oil, they will be disappointed and very broke when the oil companies tell Salmond to piss off ;D
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So all the
plebs MP's trekked up to Scotland on a day outing ... how idiotic they all looked in a last ditch attempt to pull things together >:( and no doubt strengthened the vote for yes :( :(
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So all the plebs MP's trekked up to Scotland on a day outing ... how idiotic they all looked in a last ditch attempt to pull things together >:( and no doubt strengthened the vote for yes :( :(
Salmond said that he would have paid their bus fair! ;D
I think the guy is a snake oil salesman, but you have to hand it to him! :y
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So all the plebs MP's trekked up to Scotland on a day outing ... how idiotic they all looked in a last ditch attempt to pull things together >:( and no doubt strengthened the vote for yes :( :(
Salmond said that he would have paid their bus fair! ;D
I think the guy is a snake oil salesman, but you have to hand it to him! :y
;D ;D
This could swing one way or another ::)
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DC is not best placed to appeal to Scottish voters.
He is an Eton educated Tory. A toff.
The conservatives have just one MP in the whole of Scotland, and are not well received north of the border.
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DC is not best placed to appeal.
There you go. I've simplified that a little. ;)
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The conservatives have just one MP in the whole of Scotland, and are not well received north of the border.
You don't find many Labour MP's in the West Country yet we had to endure 13 years of New Liebore! :(
Despite that there's no appetite for cutting ourselves adrift round here, apart from the Cornish who are getting a bit uppity! ;D
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Getting you say... They always were... ::)
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The conservatives have just one MP in the whole of Scotland, and are not well received north of the border.
You don't find many Labour MP's in the West Country yet we had to endure 13 years of New Liebore! :(
Despite that there's no appetite for cutting ourselves adrift round here, apart from the Cornish who are getting a bit uppity! ;D
Don't you have Somerset and Devon to keep you apart?.... ;D ;D
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The conservatives have just one MP in the whole of Scotland, and are not well received north of the border.
You don't find many Labour MP's in the West Country yet we had to endure 13 years of New Liebore! :(
Despite that there's no appetite for cutting ourselves adrift round here, apart from the Cornish who are getting a bit uppity! ;D
Don't you have Somerset and Devon to keep you apart?.... ;D ;D
Yes, just out of reach of those pasty chuckers! :y
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This is just the start of it , Wales next then Ireland :(
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This is just the start of it , Wales next then Ireland :(
Good riddance to All three, Freedom for YORKSHIRE. :y ;D ;D ;D
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Its long been known that its all about London >:( No wonder Scotland have had a skinfull of the tory tof eaton boys ::) Independent Northamptonshire i say , lets leave DC in his sinking ship :D
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This is just the start of it , Wales next then Ireland :(
Assuming you mean Northern Ireland and not the Republic of Ireland, I think you'll find there's already been a 'slight discussion' on that one, and as for being true Brits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j617mImHVvk ;)
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This is just the start of it , Wales next then Ireland :(
I don't wish to be the bearer of bad news, but Ireland has been a self contained, free and independent republic since 24th April 1916 ::)
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When will the Reading issue be tackled - more T K Max than Devo Max possibly?
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When will the Reading issue be tackled - more T K Max than Devo Max possibly?
They've found a prime minister, apparently. He's just looking for a Transit tipper and some "Dags", then he'll hit the campaign trail. ;)
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This is just the start of it , Wales next then Ireland :(
I don't wish to be the bearer of bad news, but Ireland has been a self contained, free and independent republic since 24th April 1916 ::)
Not all of it and that date was only the start of it , 'the easter rising'. 6 counties still remain part of the union for the time being. Look up info about the flag protests in the last couple of years to confirm this. I don't think you'll get rid of us that easily!
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The conservatives have just one MP in the whole of Scotland, and are not well received north of the border.
You don't find many Labour MP's in the West Country yet we had to endure 13 years of New Liebore! :(
Despite that there's no appetite for cutting ourselves adrift round here, apart from the Cornish who are getting a bit uppity! ;D
Don't you have Somerset and Devon to keep you apart?.... ;D ;D
If Scotland get independence, then I'm forming the Somerset Independence Party. If they can live on Shortbread, Whiskey and Haggis, then I'm sure we can make our way in the world on Cheddar Cheese, Faggots and Cider (propur Scrumpy - not that fizzy pish from Hereford/Ireland). :D
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If Scotland get independence, then I'm forming the Somerset Independence Party. If they can live on Shortbread, Whiskey and Haggis, then I'm sure we can make our way in the world on Cheddar Cheese, Faggots and Cider (propur Scrumpy - not that fizzy pish from Hereford/Ireland). :D
The EU will soon put the kibosh on that due to greenhouse gas emissions. ::)
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If Scotland get independence, then I'm forming the Somerset Independence Party. If they can live on Shortbread, Whiskey and Haggis, then I'm sure we can make our way in the world on Cheddar Cheese, Faggots and Cider (propur Scrumpy - not that fizzy pish from Hereford/Ireland). :D
The EU will soon put the kibosh on that due to greenhouse gas emissions. ::)
That's assuming that either northern France or Zummerzet would be allowed in the EU. Presumably the tax revenue from both added together would be negligible :-\ Afterall, the only reason Scotland got all those shiny new roads twenty years ago was because the EU we paid for them ::)
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What shiny roads?
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The ones that we paid for in the mid '90s like the dualing of the A9 from Perth to Inverness, the causeways on and off the Black Isle, the whole of Orkney got properly resurfaced between '94 and '96, can safely presume that the west coast and other Island groups were treated similarly.
Fair enough, the probably didn't bother with Cumbernauld, but then, why would you ::)
Ok dualling the A9 is a bit of an overstatement, but they did manage to bypass every single town, village and hamlet upto Inverness...
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Most of the roads in on are wrecked. Pot holes and bits missing everywhere. Hate Cumbernauld its all roundabouts
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Most of the roads in on are wrecked. Pot holes and bits missing everywhere. Hate Cumbernauld its all roundabouts
Had a mate who grew up there... his conclusion was that if they flattened the place yesterday, then it wouldn't be soon enough ::)
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Most of the roads in on are wrecked. Pot holes and bits missing everywhere. Hate Cumbernauld its all roundabouts
Had a mate who grew up there... his conclusion was that if they flattened the place yesterday, then it wouldn't be soon enough ::)
I stayed there for a night a few years back. I got the impression that it is a bit like a Milton Keynes of the North - but without the rich cultural tapestry. ;)
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Nothing good has ever came from Cumbernauld. Even the ladies should be kept in a zoo
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If Scotland get independence, then I'm forming the Somerset Independence Party. If they can live on Shortbread, Whiskey and Haggis, then I'm sure we can make our way in the world on Cheddar Cheese, Faggots and Cider (propur Scrumpy - not that fizzy pish from Hereford/Ireland). :D
The EU will soon put the kibosh on that due to greenhouse gas emissions. ::)
That's assuming that either northern France or Zummerzet would be allowed in the EU. Presumably the tax revenue from both added together would be negligible :-\ Afterall, the only reason Scotland got all those shiny new roads twenty years ago was because the EU we paid for them ::)
Total cheadar Cheese sales were £2.8bn last year. If Scotland is entitled to all the revenue from North sea oil/gas, then I say Somerset is entitled to all the revenue from Chedder cheese worldwide. The EU will be begging us to join and help bail out the rest of Europe.
http://www.dairyco.org.uk/market-information/dairy-sales-consumption/cheese-market/cheese-market/
Of course, sales figures for Scrumpy are a little - shall we say - hazy ;D
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As soon as Mr Salmond realises that he needs to raise duty levels on landed gas and oil to pay for his folly, and then proceeds to do so, the oil companies will soon land it elsewhere... ::)
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If Scotland get independence, then I'm forming the Somerset Independence Party. If they can live on Shortbread, Whiskey and Haggis, then I'm sure we can make our way in the world on Cheddar Cheese, Faggots and Cider (propur Scrumpy - not that fizzy pish from Hereford/Ireland). :D
The EU will soon put the kibosh on that due to greenhouse gas emissions. ::)
Good point - self sufficient in Natural gas too - although we probably will have to import pickled onions so that will affect balance of payments. Just have to build an (un)natural gas fired power station, and get CND in to de-commission Hinkley Point nuclear power station and spread all the nuclear waste somewhere un-important - like Dorset, Devon, Hampshire and Wiltshire.
Now where's my DVD box set of Citizen Smith.
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As soon as Mr Salmond realises that he needs to raise duty levels on landed gas and oil to pay for his folly, and then proceeds to do so, the oil companies will soon land it elsewhere... ::)
Or as an alternate, reduce the tax so as to encourage a larger volume to be landed in Scotland rather than England?
And also redraw the oil boundary so as to truly reflect territorial waters rather than the fudge around that Westminster imposed a few years ago on the realisation of an impending vote?
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I find the oil debate quite amusing as the north sea has not a great deal left and what is there is pricey to extract and hence is dependent on oil prices being higher than $100 per barrel.
What I do fear is that oil and gas is not the answer to the Scottish independence funding gap and I still hope they vote No as they are great people being led on by a Muppet of the highest order.
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How will that pay for Holyrood House, Defence and Law enforcement, let alone the health service, welfare state and infrastructure?
Not to mention Orkney and Shetlands pivotal role in the oil network. If they were to decide to separate from an newly independent Scotland, and remain in the Union, then where would Scottish oil revenue be?
Whilst the idea of independence might be a tempting utopia, the reality will be far from pleasant and will result in alot of turmoil both sides of the border. Not a bed I would wish to lie in :-\
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I find the oil debate quite amusing as the north sea has not a great deal left and what is there is pricey to extract and hence is dependent on oil prices being higher than $100 per barrel.
What I do fear is that oil and gas is not the answer to the Scottish independence funding gap and I still hope they vote No as they are great people being led on by a Muppet of the highest order.
And to think it all started as a throwaway comment to clutch at a few votes :-\
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I find the oil debate quite amusing as the north sea has not a great deal left and what is there is pricey to extract and hence is dependent on oil prices being higher than $100 per barrel.
What I do fear is that oil and gas is not the answer to the Scottish independence funding gap and I still hope they vote No as they are great people being led on by a Muppet deluded nutcase of the highest order.
:y
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I stayed there for a night a few years back. I got the impression that it is a bit like a Milton Keynes of the North - but without the rich cultural tapestry. ;)
Should that read...
I stayed there for a night a few years back. I got the impression that it is a bit like a Milton Keynes of the North - but without the rich cultural tapestry. ;)
or
I stayed there for a night a few years back. I got the impression that it is a bit like a Milton Keynes of the North - but without the rich cultural tapestry. ;)
::)
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I stayed there for a night a few years back. I got the impression that it is a bit like a Milton Keynes of the North - but without the rich cultural tapestry. ;)
Should that read...
I stayed there for a night a few years back. I got the impression that it is a bit like a Milton Keynes of the North - but without the rich cultural tapestry. ;)
or
I stayed there for a night a few years back. I got the impression that it is a bit like a Milton Keynes of the North - but without the rich cultural tapestry. ;)
::)
I think they both work. ;)
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If Scotland get independence, then I'm forming the Somerset Independence Party. If they can live on Shortbread, Whiskey and Haggis, then I'm sure we can make our way in the world on Cheddar Cheese, Faggots and Cider (propur Scrumpy - not that fizzy pish from Hereford/Ireland). :D
The EU will soon put the kibosh on that due to greenhouse gas emissions. ::)
Good point - self sufficient in Natural gas too - although we probably will have to import pickled onions so that will affect balance of payments. Just have to build an (un)natural gas fired power station, and get CND in to de-commission Hinkley Point nuclear power station and spread all the nuclear waste somewhere un-important - like Dorset, Devon, Hampshire and Wiltshire.
Now where's my DVD box set of Citizen Smith.
Oi!! >:( ;D
Actually Dorset is much more viable than Somerset as an independent state because we've got oil!! :y
It's Dorsets oil!!!!!! :y :y :y
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Well, I just know that I'm pee'd off as I suddenly need to go to Glasgow next week to deal with a customer problem, and all the hotels are either full or charging a fortune (like £300 per night in one case). Having to stay in a motorway lodge >:( not happy >:( >:(
Presumably all the TV / Press etc are filling the hotels :-[
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Ah yes the Dorset oil which is off the beach in Bournemouth and drilled for from a little island in Poole harbour
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If Scotland get independence, then I'm forming the Somerset Independence Party. If they can live on Shortbread, Whiskey and Haggis, then I'm sure we can make our way in the world on Cheddar Cheese, Faggots and Cider (propur Scrumpy - not that fizzy pish from Hereford/Ireland). :D
The EU will soon put the kibosh on that due to greenhouse gas emissions. ::)
Good point - self sufficient in Natural gas too - although we probably will have to import pickled onions so that will affect balance of payments. Just have to build an (un)natural gas fired power station, and get CND in to de-commission Hinkley Point nuclear power station and spread all the nuclear waste somewhere un-important - like Dorset, Devon, Hampshire and Wiltshire.
Now where's my DVD box set of Citizen Smith.
Oi!! >:( ;D
Actually Dorset is much more viable than Somerset as an independent state because we've got oil!! :y
It's Dorsets oil!!!!!! :y :y :y
Yeah - but you've got all them coffin dodgers blocking up the roads and sea fronts to pay for too. Pensions are cripplingly expensive, as the Scots will/may find out. Admitedly you've got Tanglefoot, Old Thumper and Fourty Niner but that ain't gonna cover it. No good cheeses either.
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Yeah - but you've got all them coffin dodgers blocking up the roads and sea fronts to pay for too. Pensions are cripplingly expensive, as the Scots will/may find out. Admitedly you've got Tanglefoot, Old Thumper and Fourty Niner but that ain't gonna cover it. No good cheeses either.
He's got apple cake, though. Mmm. :-*
and Dorset Knobs (no sniggering at the back). ::)
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If a yes vote there will be quite a few companies shifting assets to england and supermarkets closing or putting up prices :D Its not looking great is it this independent malarkey ::) :P
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If a yes vote there will be quite a few companies shifting assets to england and supermarkets closing or putting up prices :D Its not looking great is it this independent malarkey ::) :P
That is complete and utter Pish.
You base your comment on what?
Lloyd already have an Hq in London. Quite a big one. It will be a legislative move banking wise and yes, corporation tax etc due will fall to rUK but banks will still be open here and jobs still open as well.
On the mobile and about to have dinner but it's crud like the above that continually boils my Pish in this referendum.
It's a scottish issue (with backlash to rUK) but, if a no, be assured that a backlash to Scotland will also be substantial. As said previously, the genie is out the bottle and it won't fit back in without pain.
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If a yes vote there will be quite a few companies shifting assets to england and supermarkets closing or putting up prices :D Its not looking great is it this independent malarkey ::) :P
That is complete and utter Pish.
You base your comment on what?
Lloyd already have an Hq in London. Quite a big one. It will be a legislative move banking wise and yes, corporation tax etc due will fall to rUK but banks will still be open here and jobs still open as well.
On the mobile and about to have dinner but it's crud like the above that continually boils my Pish in this referendum.
It's a scottish issue (with backlash to rUK) but, if a no, be assured that a backlash to Scotland will also be substantial. As said previously, the genie is out the bottle and it won't fit back in without pain.
That bloke off the tele who reads the news for a day job ;D ;D
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You base your comment on what?
The usual pish informed to us by sky and bbc news ::) I dont give a monkeys what happens , there's more important things in life .
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Yeah - but you've got all them coffin dodgers blocking up the roads and sea fronts to pay for too. Pensions are cripplingly expensive, as the Scots will/may find out. Admitedly you've got Tanglefoot, Old Thumper and Fourty Niner but that ain't gonna cover it. No good cheeses either.
No good cheeses you say?? ::) You've obviously never tried a bit of Dorset Blue Vinney! :-*
Yes plenty of coffin dodgers, but think of all that inheritance tax! :y
Did I mention we've got oil? ::) Wytch Farm in Purbeck as well as Brownsea Island and Bournemouth! ;) It's our oil!!! :y :y :y
Think I'll start the DNP, see how it goes... :-\ ;D Maybe I'll offer a free Dorset Knob to everyone that joins up! :)
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Yeah - but you've got all them coffin dodgers blocking up the roads and sea fronts to pay for too. Pensions are cripplingly expensive, as the Scots will/may find out. Admitedly you've got Tanglefoot, Old Thumper and Fourty Niner but that ain't gonna cover it. No good cheeses either.
No good cheeses you say?? ::) You've obviously never tried a bit of Dorset Blue Vinney! :-*
Yes plenty of coffin dodgers, but think of all that inheritance tax! :y
Did I mention we've got oil? ::) Wytch Farm in Purbeck as well as Brownsea Island and Bournemouth! ;) It's our oil!!! :y :y :y
Think I'll start the DNP, see how it goes... :-\ ;D Maybe I'll offer a free Dorset Knob to everyone that joins up! :)
Me first please! :-*
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Would that be with or without cheese Uncle STMO? I find 'em a bit dry without. ;) ;D
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Would that be with or without cheese Uncle STMO? I find 'em a bit dry without. ;) ;D
Most of the knobs I've seen have cheese :y
Yuk. ;D
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You base your comment on what?
The usual pish informed to us by sky and bbc news ::) I dont give a monkeys what happens , there's more important things in life .
Therein lies the error. Both BBC and sky report what they want and have a very preferential slant on how their information to reflect the status quo. As does BBC Scotland. It's only when you review the newspapers that a clearer picture evolves - as long as you exclude 'national' papers such as the mirror/mail/similar who print English and Scottish editions. Editorials change according to the audience. After all, words sells papers! ;D
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Apologies for this being a Facebook link. Can't get a straight one but it's worth a gander to show how manipulative news reporting can be.
And yes, I do appreciate that spin spins both ways!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10152680983290396&id=659505395
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Prediction: If a Yes vote, Salmond will not be seen for very long, as there is no way he will want to be left holding the poison chalice. 8)
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As said already.
The referendum is not like/dislike Eck the Fish. After a potential yes then all the nay saying mp's will be falling over themselves for election in whatever camp/colour they represent. Fishy will be one of a number.....
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I find the oil debate quite amusing as the north sea has not a great deal left and what is there is pricey to extract and hence is dependent on oil prices being higher than $100 per barrel.
What I do fear is that oil and gas is not the answer to the Scottish independence funding gap and I still hope they vote No as they are great people being led on by a Muppet of the highest order.
Quite so.
But there is 90 plus % in nominally scottish waters which leaves not a lot in rUK. Does it matter that much if it runs out some time in the future? It will run out a lot quicker in the rUK.
And muppets get regularly replaces every few years, just the same as England/wales/norn irn.
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8 pages of twaddle with one or two posts that barely scratch the surface of what this actually means to all of us....? None the wiser here. :(
Personally I like the together idea, and the Celtic spirit, but the bigotry that can surround unionist thinking repulses me greatly. I see flags in people's gardens and think how "brave" (given both senses of the word) and which would I choose. If I had to. A flag that joins us but doesn't restrict us or repress identity. Encompasses the British isles without making the celts feel outcast. History doesn't help. Hmmm, no such thing exists.
As always, within reason, pooling resources is a way to improve almost everything, yet Westminster has clearly failed somebody along the line. Do the Scott's think they are the only ones wronged by Westminster? Because if they do, they are wrong, and I'm not talking specific parties, but the self centred nature of politicians as a whole, inludung the yes crew north of the boarder.
Carving a niche in the political map for ones self is the order of the day here and be damned with all else. Pleasing all of the people is not possible, but that does not mean they shouldn't try.
The Scottish identity is one to behold. As is (In no particular order, gulp ;D ) the Irish and Welsh. This is something the English have failed greatly on IMO.
But out of that very failure however big or small, has potentially risen a complete separation. HTF has this come about? As the crime surely doesn't fit, .....does it? :-\
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8 pages of twaddle with one or two posts that barely scratch the surface of what this actually means to all of us....? None the wiser here. :(
Personally I like the together idea, and the Celtic spirit, but the bigotry that can surround unionist thinking repulses me greatly. I see flags in people's gardens and think how "brave" (given both senses of the word) and which would I choose. If I had to. A flag that joins us but doesn't restrict us or repress identity. Encompasses the British isles without making the celts feel outcast. History doesn't help. Hmmm, no such thing exists.
As always, within reason, pooling resources is a way to improve almost everything, yet Westminster has clearly failed somebody along the line. Do the Scott's think they are the only ones wronged by Westminster? Because if they do, they are wrong, and I'm not talking specific parties, but the self centred nature of politicians as a whole, inludung the yes crew north of the boarder.
Carving a niche in the political map for ones self is the order of the day here and be damned with all else. Pleasing all of the people is not possible, but that does not mean they shouldn't try.
The Scottish identity is one to behold. As is (In no particular order, gulp ;D ) the Irish and Welsh. This is something the English have failed greatly on IMO.
But out of that very failure however big or small, has potentially risen a complete separation. HTF has this come about? As the crime surely doesn't fit, .....does it? :-\
Why prolong it then? :)
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Because, short of a Chrystal ball, maybe I would like someone who knows the subject to enlighten us all, Dbug! ::) rather than "add to it" as you so "hippoclitically" put it ;D
Or, if nobody does, make the point that, NOBODY has a Chrystal ball in good working order. :)
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yet Westminster has clearly failed somebody along the line. Do the Scott's think they are the only ones wronged by Westminster? Because if they do, they are wrong
Indeed, not just Scotland, but anyone outside of the shithole usually referred to as London.
Virtually all initiatives seem to be in London for London people. HS2 being a prime example, but there are plenty of others (probably made worse since 2005 due to London 2012).
So rather than Scottish independence, how about the UK coming together, and ousting London ;D
Anyway, back on topic....
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Back on topic, I do fear that Salmond/Sturgeon are after independence at any cost purely for their own legacies. There are too many things that keep getting washed over - currency, EU membership, borders etc.
That said, the Westminster part of the No campaign are playing silly beggers with the state owned banks - although its common sense that a state owned financial institution would have to be headquartered in the (majority) state that owned it. So that should be no surprise.
Big corporates don't like risk, so will all have contingencies to move out of Scotland. This leaves opportunities for SMEs, although discussing this on hols with bro (who has businesses in the retail trade), many of them are looking at pulling out with the extra costs and buearocracy of cross border trading, as nobody believes Scotland can keep the British Pound.
How can we be this close to the referendum, and still lack so many answers?
I am, as always, frustrated by UK media (English and Scottish) reporting. Completely full of shit, looking for the sensationalist headlines, rather than the truth. As eluded to earlier by somebody else (sorry, can't remember who), the media also have their own political slants.
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My worry is that many in Scotland will see this as a protest vote without really understanding the issues at stake. After all Salmond has promised them that they will keep the Pound and will be in the EU, so what would change? ::) Cameron was right the other day in what he said about voting Yes to 'give the effing Tories a kicking' :-\
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Indeed, not just Scotland, but anyone outside of the shithole usually referred to as London.
Indeed. Everybody feels disenfranchised in the UK. Scotland has a chance at an alternative. A half baked one, with none of the important details worked out but you can't really blame anyone for grasping at it.
Back on topic, I do fear that Salmond/Sturgeon are after independence at any cost purely for their own legacies.
They are politicians, remember?
As said above, though, when it seems like it can't get any worse, does that matter...?
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Ime when it seems like it can't get any worse, it almost always does.
Still no answers I note. I can only assume nobody knows, yet presumably has a firm opinion on which way they will vote? I find this very strange.
While it's absolutely right to voice dissatisfaction, diving into an alternative without answers to those dissatisfactions is madness. IMO of course.
I must admit though, I have not watched the debates in detail as I can't bear to suffer these attention seeking self centred types. :-[
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I watched the debate the other night with the youngsters. Labour couldn't be bothered to send anyone, so the NO camp wheeled out George Galloway. ::)
It was much the same as the other debates, but one thing that did strike me is that whenever Galloway or Ruth Davidson (Con) gave an answer to the audience that Nicola Sturgeon didn't like, she just tried to shout them down or talk over them. ::)
Give Galloway his due, despite looking half dead (think he got a kicking recently) he did attempt to nail down Sturgeon over the currency issue when she claimed that Scottish people would have control over the levers of the economy and he pointed out that if Scotland keeps the Pound their monetary policy will still be decided in London, so no independence there then. ::) She had no answer and just rolled her eyes like it wasn't an important issue! ::)
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I think that Nicola Sturgeon needs a damn good haircut ;D Not a bad pair of pins on her though :-*
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I think that Nicola Sturgeon needs a damn good haircut ;D Not a bad pair of pins on her though :-*
Desperate Dan would have, but then again is she had a pulse he would and I don't think that was a priority. ;D ;D Even munchers like Sturgeon, wonder if she smells of fish. ::)
I do hope for a yes vote, no more Liebour MP's and better still no mention on Final Score of rubbish teams. ::) ;D
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I think that Nicola Sturgeon needs a damn good haircut ;D Not a bad pair of pins on her though :-*
I've said before that I find this lady quite sexy. :-* :-* :-*
It appears I'm in the minority though. ;D ;D
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I think that Nicola Sturgeon needs a damn good haircut ;D Not a bad pair of pins on her though :-*
Desperate Dan would have, but then again is she had a pulse he would and I don't think that was a priority. ;D ;D Even munchers like Sturgeon, wonder if she smells of fish. ::)
I do hope for a yes vote, no more Liebour MP's and better still no mention on Final Score of rubbish teams. ::) ;D
I thought Liverpool and Manchester United were English clubs. ::) ::) :)
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Apologies, I meant Desperately Den, wherever he may be. finger trouble :( :(
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I think that Nicola Sturgeon needs a damn good haircut ;D Not a bad pair of pins on her though :-*
I've said before that I find this lady quite sexy. :-* :-* :-*
I'm not sure all your dogs are barking, Mr Opti? She has fallen out of the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down, and then beaten to within an inch of her life with the ugly stick.
And that before she opens her gob...
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I think that Nicola Sturgeon needs a damn good haircut ;D Not a bad pair of pins on her though :-*
I've said before that I find this lady quite sexy. :-* :-* :-*
I'm not sure all your dogs are barking, Mr Opti? She has fallen out of the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down, and then beaten to within an inch of her life with the ugly stick.
And that before she opens her gob...
You'll be saying that the edible Shami Chakrabati is a minger next. ;D ;D ;)
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I think that Nicola Sturgeon needs a damn good haircut ;D Not a bad pair of pins on her though :-*
I've said before that I find this lady quite sexy. :-* :-* :-*
I'm not sure all your dogs are barking, Mr Opti? She has fallen out of the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down, and then beaten to within an inch of her life with the ugly stick.
And that before she opens her gob...
You'll be saying that the edible Shami Chakrabati is a minger next. ;D ;D ;)
Yup, that confirms it. I'm now having doubts about the hot-ness of Mrs Opti's sister.... ....still, lets not go there unless you can afford a new laptop screen ;D
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Im moving to Scotlamnd if its a yes vote now that Wales is departing the sinking ship ;D ;D
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I think that Nicola Sturgeon needs a damn good haircut ;D Not a bad pair of pins on her though :-*
I've said before that I find this lady quite sexy. :-* :-* :-*
I'm not sure all your dogs are barking, Mr Opti? She has fallen out of the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down, and then beaten to within an inch of her life with the ugly stick.
And that before she opens her gob...
You'll be saying that the edible Shami Chakrabati is a minger next. ;D ;D ;)
She needs a shave :y ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think that Nicola Sturgeon needs a damn good haircut ;D Not a bad pair of pins on her though :-*
I've said before that I find this lady quite sexy. :-* :-* :-*
I'm not sure all your dogs are barking, Mr Opti? She has fallen out of the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down, and then beaten to within an inch of her life with the ugly stick.
And that before she opens her gob...
You'll be saying that the edible Shami Chakrabati is a minger next. ;D ;D ;)
She needs a shave shooting :y ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Fixed that for you Mr Cleggy....
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Both Shami and Rita look like lads to me.
Nothing wrong with that, of course. ;D
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Both Shami and Rita look like lads to me.
Nothing wrong with that, of course. ;D
If you like that sort of thing... :P
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Both Shami and Rita look like lads to me.
Nothing wrong with that, of course. ;D
Well, Wakefield is certain cosmopolitan and 'broad minded' in it's thinking..... ;)
I'm old-fashioned and only like girly girlies. Anyone fancy 'white Dee' from Benefits Street?
Just asking.... :)
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Both Shami and Rita look like lads to me.
Nothing wrong with that, of course. ;D
Well, Wakefield is certain cosmopolitan and 'broad minded' in it's thinking..... ;)
I'm old-fashioned and only like girly girlies. Anyone fancy 'white Dee' from Benefits Street?
Just asking.... :)
Gary Busey does judging by the willy waving he was doing last week...
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As a thought, does the immigrant population in Scotland get a say in all this :-\
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As a thought, does the immigrant population in Scotland get a say in all this :-\
Yep, but the emigrant Scots don't. ;D
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As a thought, does the immigrant population in Scotland get a say in all this :-\
Yep, but the emigrant Scots don't. ;D
Ah, a cue for a relevant and very fitting break in this political thread from the greatest super group ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNhD0oS5pk
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) :y :y :y ;D ;D
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Well , the daily drivel on the news reckons if Dundee vote yes its all over for Mr Camoron ::) But apparently Dundee is quite a wealthy city so mixed views again on the vote .. My friend who lives in Dundee said a vast majority cant stand that Mr Salmond and torn between who's the biggest Knob head Salmond or Camoron ;D :-\
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Well , the daily drivel on the news reckons if Dundee vote yes its all over for Mr Camoron ::) But apparently Dundee is quite a wealthy city so mixed views again on the vote .. My friend who lives in Dundee said a vast majority cant stand that Mr Salmond and torn between who's the biggest Knob head Salmond or Camoron ;D :-\
Now there's one that's too close to call.
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Well , the daily drivel on the news reckons if Dundee vote yes its all over for Mr Camoron ::) But apparently Dundee is quite a wealthy city so mixed views again on the vote .. My friend who lives in Dundee said a vast majority cant stand that Mr Salmond and torn between who's the biggest Knob head Salmond or Camoron ;D :-\
Now there's one that's too close to call.
Yes. But that's not what it's about, is it?
A hundred years from now I doubt most people will even remember them.
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I'm in Glasgow right now. It's strange, people don't like to discuss it in case their view is different to yours. It's almost like "never discuss politics or religion".
However I was having breakfast at a motorway kinda place this morning and I heard two local discussing what I though was Yes or No. In fact they were discussing if Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon were, well, you know, "at it" ;)
Does anyone know . . . . . . ?
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I'm in Glasgow right now. It's strange, people don't like to discuss it in case their view is different to yours. It's almost like "never discuss politics or religion".
However I was having breakfast at a motorway kinda place this morning and I heard two local discussing what I though was Yes or No. In fact they were discussing if Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon were, well, you know, "at it" ;)
Does anyone know . . . . . . ?
Thought she was a carpet muncher ::) :-\
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I'm in Glasgow right now. It's strange, people don't like to discuss it in case their view is different to yours. It's almost like "never discuss politics or religion".
However I was having breakfast at a motorway kinda place this morning and I heard two local discussing what I though was Yes or No. In fact they were discussing if Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon were, well, you know, "at it" ;)
Does anyone know . . . . . . ?
Thought she was a carpet muncher ::) :-\
Now you've done it, doctor opti, is now in seventh heaven thinking about Shami and Sturgeon munching and a menage a trois. ::) :-\ ;D ;D
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Apparently Sturgeon in married to a guy called Peter Merrell so which ever way Doctor Opti swings he's going to be happy. ::) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm on a course at the mo and there's a Scottish fella here who when we quizzed him was very cagey about his thoughts, although he did say that he'd moved all of his money out of Scotland! ::)
One of the girls (English Essex) looked up and said " What's all the fuss about? Don't we own Scotland or something? " ;D ;D ;D
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I'm on a course at the mo and there's a Scottish fella here who when we quizzed him was very cagey about his thoughts, although he did say that he'd moved all of his money out of Scotland! ::)
One of the girls (English Essex) looked up and said " What's all the fuss about? Don't we own Scotland or something? " ;D ;D ;D
Exactly. People really do not like to discuss it.
My customer up here joked that I should get out soon in case they put the barriers up later in the week and I won't be able to leave. I think that there is an underlying recognition that Salmond is eloquently barking mad.
Anyway, I'm off this morning, a nice little 400 mile drive today. My MV6 is creeping towards that 100k miles mark :(
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Do you know, I am so bored of the subject that I have stopped watching the news totally and don't care what the outcome is any more ???
Plus I did a bit of 'research' regarding this balance of trade business that Shithead keeps peddling and its utter horse dung and based only on what goes in/out of scottish ports >:(
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Do you know, I am so bored of the subject that I have stopped watching the news totally and don't care what the outcome is any more ???
Plus I did a bit of 'research' regarding this balance of trade business that Shithead keeps peddling and its utter horse dung and based only on what goes in/out of scottish ports >:(
Which presumably included Flotta and Sullom Voe ::) both potentially not in Scotland...
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Yes, it's getting to be a bit of a stuck record. I suspect it will simmer on well past the vote itself, as well, whatever the outcome. ::)
I don't think I can recall any political campaign before that has been as lacking in concrete policy and as full of meaningless rhetoric.
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Yes, it's getting to be a bit of a stuck record. I suspect it will simmer on well past the vote itself, as well, whatever the outcome. ::)
I don't think I can recall any political campaign before that has been as lacking in concrete policy and as full of meaningless rhetoric.
^^^^^ Seconded!
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Do you know, I am so bored of the subject that I have stopped watching the news totally and don't care what the outcome is any more ???
Plus I did a bit of 'research' regarding this balance of trade business that Shithead keeps peddling and its utter horse dung and based only on what goes in/out of scottish ports >:(
Which presumably included Flotta and Sullom Voe ::) both potentially not in Scotland...
Yes, the independent Isles of Shetland :y
But does not consider anything traveling via road/rail which was landed in a UK (non Scottish) port as they cant measure it easily......I don't recall to many major Scottish container ports?
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Can't really include the Naval ports...as a) it's not revenue freight, and b) they won't be there ::), so neither can i :-\
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Does an independent Scotland want to be part of the EU?
The reason I ask is that a Yes vote for independence will hasten rUK's departure from the EU.
The logic goes like this:
Scotland votes 'Yes', Cameron resigns, the Conservatives turn further towards euroscepticism, the [EU] referendum happens and rUK vote to leave Europe.
Fine for eurosceptics but not so good for anyone else happy with current situation. Another example of unforeseen consequences for rUK passengers
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Spain has apparently already said they don't want an independent Scotland to be part of the EU..
Although as someone here said at lunchtime - all that will happen is the EU will rewrite the rules and say "Well, Scotland isn't a new country, they were already members as part of the United Kingdom and so will continue to be members as an independent Scotland, like it or lump it, Spain"
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Spain has apparently already said they don't want an independent Scotland to be part of the EU..
Although as someone here said at lunchtime - all that will happen is the EU will rewrite the rules and say "Well, Scotland isn't a new country, they were already members as part of the United Kingdom and so will continue to be members as an independent Scotland, like it or lump it, Spain"
Quite right too.
The Catalunia area of Spain desperately wants independence from Spain and are waiting the outcome of Thursdays vote. Then they can say well Scotland went indy we want to too. Spain do not want this for probably the same reasons as the UK except there is no oil. On top of that there are many other "countries" in Europe that would love independence. Walonia in Belgium/France and Pais Basco (in Spain and France) to name just two. A yes vote threatens the stability of not just Europe but also the EU itself.
It is alright someone saying "Well, Scotland isn't a new country, they were already members as part of the United Kingdom and so will continue to be members as an independent Scotland, like it or lump it, Spain". The thing is everything will have to change for an independent Scotland. The SNP haven't ironed out the detail about hardly anything yet. In fairness there is not much point in making the effort prior to a Yes vote but also because of the other parties involved.
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[huge snip] The thing is everything will have to change for an independent Scotland. The SNP haven't ironed out the detail about hardly anything yet. In fairness there is not much point in making the effort prior to a Yes vote but also because of the other parties involved.
Nope they have just told the world what will happen according to the prophet Salmond ... in his eyes, and regardless of what anyone else thinks .. Scotland will "remain" in the EU and nowt will change .. (and the EU themselves have no say in the matter 'cos Salmond has decided), Scotland will continue to use the pound and the Bank of England will underwrite it, but will have no say in Scotlands finances as Scotland will be independent (and Westminister has no say in this either 'cos Salmond has decided), Scotland will remain in NATO but will have nothing to do with NATO nuclear decisions and all nukes must leave scotland (and NATO has no say in this 'cos Salmond has decided)
Mans a numpty and I don't understand how he gets away with these statements without being challenged.
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All this pesky discussion gets in the way of the real issue…
http://www.arethescotsindependentyet.com/
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Mans a numpty and I don't understand how he gets away with these statements without being challenged.
Yep, he's simply presented Scotland with a "none of the above" box to tick, for those who can't really get interested in what any of the UK parties have to say. God knows, there's so little to choose between them that anyone within the UK might be tempted to tick such a box, if it were presented to them, just to see what happens. ;D
He clearly has no idea what will happen commencing next week if a majority tick the box. I think we all need to be rather concerned about that. :(
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If only 20% of the 5 million scotties bother to vote, and 500,001 members of the SNP vote yes, then that's 4,449,999 disappointed people, of which 4million couldn't be arsed to/couldn't decide which way to vote* and therefore didn't.
This of course does assume that voter turn out is as good as at the last general election ::)
*delete as applicable.
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He clearly has no idea what will happen commencing next week if a majority tick the box. I think we all need to be rather concerned about that. :(
Actually, I lie. He's going to phone Baroso about being in the EU, and get told to eff off.
Then he's going to phone Threadneedle street about using the pound, and get told to eff off and "oh, about your share of the national debt"...
So, that's his timetable until about 9:30 on Monday morning all sorted. ;)
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I almost feel sorry for him... that's a shitty start to what will undoubtedly be a very rough week ;D
I suspect that 'Yes, Scotland should be independent...' will become 'Yes Scotland should be independent, but it won't happen as we have no concept of what we're actually proposing and need to encourage billions of pounds of foreign investment to pay for it, and only have some fishing and nice scenery to sell as all the oil is being landed in the newly liberated Northern Isles which are being robustly defended by the English.'
Given your proposed schedule Kevin, this might take until Monday lunchtime to sink in ::)
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I'm in Glasgow right now. It's strange, people don't like to discuss it in case their view is different to yours. It's almost like "never discuss politics or religion".
However I was having breakfast at a motorway kinda place this morning and I heard two local discussing what I though was Yes or No. In fact they were discussing if Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon were, well, you know, "at it" ;)
Does anyone know . . . . . . ?
Glasgow is probably the most politically and religiously divided place in Scotland, and the vote does appear to be going down these lines there (judging by the views of my colleagues based there, all of who support the green and white side of the city, so no guesses for knowing how they will vote ;D)
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There were loads of No & Yes banners around about where we were near Loch Lomond but loads of Yes banners around the more remote islands. :-\
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Kipper chops is no sky news. Not one single fact has passed her lips. Blah blah blah.
....does a kipper have lips? :-\
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There were loads of No & Yes banners around about where we were near Loch Lomond but loads of Yes banners around the more remote islands. :-\
That's because Monkey Nuts has promised to allow devolution from Holyrood if they vote Yes, and as we all know, Devolution is but a referendum away from Independence ::) ;D
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Ha ha:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/jokers-set-up-fake-scotland-england-border-control-1-3543340
(http://www.scotsman.com/webimage/1.3543338.1410884623!/image/1028286194.jpg_gen/derivatives/articleImgDeriv_628px/1028286194.jpg)
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Ha ha:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/jokers-set-up-fake-scotland-england-border-control-1-3543340
(http://www.scotsman.com/webimage/1.3543338.1410884623!/image/1028286194.jpg_gen/derivatives/articleImgDeriv_628px/1028286194.jpg)
Blimey, next thing is someone will want to build a Wall
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Help for any Jockular Omegaowners who are still undecided...
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/BxvYYPMIMAAdpub.jpg)
;D
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;D
I'd say this fella is fairly certain of the likely outcome: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/leisure/11102321/British-man-to-win-1-million-bet-if-Scotland-vote-No-in-referendum.html
Short version: Man bets £900,000 on the outcome being No (likely profit of £193,000 if he's right)
Personally I stuck a fiver on Yes as the odds were more profitable if right..
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Blimey, next thing is someone will want to build a Wall
sounds like a plan to me! :y What are we going to call it? ::)
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Blimey, next thing is someone will want to build a Wall
sounds like a plan to me! :y What are we going to call it? ::)
Salmonds Folly, formerly known as........ :y ;D
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Ha ha:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/jokers-set-up-fake-scotland-england-border-control-1-3543340
(http://www.scotsman.com/webimage/1.3543338.1410884623!/image/1028286194.jpg_gen/derivatives/articleImgDeriv_628px/1028286194.jpg)
Blimey, next thing is someone will want to build a Wall
No need, we already have Hadrian's wall that just needs considerable repair and extending to a decent height ;D ;D ;)
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;D
I'd say this fella is fairly certain of the likely outcome: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/leisure/11102321/British-man-to-win-1-million-bet-if-Scotland-vote-No-in-referendum.html
Short version: Man bets £900,000 on the outcome being No (likely profit of £193,000 if he's right)
Personally I stuck a fiver on Yes as the odds were more profitable if right..
Betfair have already paid out on "No".
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The whole thing is Pie in the Sky to me...... or is it.
(https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/5RvS7EkWuU73aMaf0vzyBQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MTY3Njtjcj0xO2N3PTIzNjM7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDtoPTQ0NztxPTg1O3c9NjMw/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2014-09-15/5f505160-3cf9-11e4-ace7-8bae04fafc9b_SWNS_NO_SCOTLAND_COUD_01.jpg)
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The whole thing is Pie in the Sky to me...... or is it.
(https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/5RvS7EkWuU73aMaf0vzyBQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MTY3Njtjcj0xO2N3PTIzNjM7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDtoPTQ0NztxPTg1O3c9NjMw/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2014-09-15/5f505160-3cf9-11e4-ace7-8bae04fafc9b_SWNS_NO_SCOTLAND_COUD_01.jpg)
Is that NI? ...or Wales trying to escape. ;D
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Looks like Wales as it is/was above Cornwall... ;D
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Salmonds Folly, formerly known as........ :y ;D
;D ;D ;D
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(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/PicUnionJack-1.gif)
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) :) :) :) :)
But now the real politics begin for us ALL to secure more say with our elected representatives! :y :y
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:)
Looking good!
:)
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Looks like the No vote has it :y
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The whinging, skirt wearing, shit nuts are staying, collecting the £1600 per person bonus from English tax payers ::) ;) ;D ;D ;D :y
Better together means no import duty on Scotch and no need to put a wall around Corby ::) ;D ;D ;D
Now for the bull poo from Westminster, Camoron has already said " We get it" ( now where have I heard that before?) devolved powers for Scotland, Wales, NI and England little Willy Hague is looking into to it. Aye and we'll do FA about it :(
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Common sense prevailed, but not by a vast majority.
Now the post mortem etc, but I am in no doubt that this is the best outcome, for both sides of the border :y
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If it was based on 'seats' then the No would have had a huge majority
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Well, that went well ;D
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Yea, well done Scotland. :y
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Right good. Now can they just opps off and report something else now please!
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The whinging, skirt wearing, shit nuts are staying, collecting the £1600 per person bonus from English tax payers ::) ;) ;D ;D ;D :y
Better together means no import duty on Scotch and no need to put a wall around Corby ::) ;D ;D ;D
Now for the bull poo from Westminster, Camoron has already said " We get it" ( now where have I heard that before?) devolved powers for Scotland, Wales, NI and England little Willy Hague is looking into to it. Aye and we'll do FA about it :(
There's a lot of sad faces in Corby town ::) ;D Even the traffic warden was in a bad mood :(
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Yet when Corby did a vote a month or so ago 75% said no.
I think this sums up the route cause nicely. ;) :y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lYXaVkA0U
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Yet when Corby did a vote a month or so ago 75% said no.
I think this sums up the route cause nicely. ;) :y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lYXaVkA0U
;D Thats right :y
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Mel Gibson : " FRRREEEEEDDDDDDOOO.... oh right...bugger.... :( ..... I blame the Jews... "
:D
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Now its all over
Goodnight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AyHsJuO4Ik)
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Trout face Salmond has resigned as first minister and leader of the SNP, so hopefully that's the last we'll hear from him. :y :y :y
Staying as an MSP, needs the money. :(
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Trout face Salmond has resigned as first minister and leader of the SNP, so hopefully that's the last we'll hear from him. :y :y :y
Staying as an MSP, needs the money. :(
Just read on the news he's resigned :)
Talk about throwing your toys out of your pram ;D
I think he is a member on here ready to delete his account at a moments notice ;D
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He'll be asking for his post count back next. ::)
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Typical spineless cabbage... The Snp can now deny all knowledge of any sweetners that he offered, such as devolution of the Northern Isles, because the sporran which made them no longer works there >:(
I can see the Snp doing really well in the next election...Not ;D and they can't pull the referendum card a second time ::)
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Typical spineless cabbage... The Snp can now deny all knowledge of any sweetners that he offered, such as devolution of the Northern Isles, because the sporran which made them no longer works there >:(
I can see the Snp doing really well in the next election...Not ;D and they can't pull the referendum card a second time ::)
Mmmmwell now hold on a second. Regardless of his opinions (of leading his country up the garden path) you have to respect his stand down speech of respecting the democratic process, and the result.
... Arguably the first and only thing he said that made any sense. But credit where it's due. ...however brief. ;D
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Alex Salmond is a decent guy at least he had the balls to put his head on the chopping block for what he believed in the last 2 years and he-ho he lost but he would of stood down regardless of the result.
I voted yes but I knew it would be a no vote.
I had the pleasure of being in his company(drinking of coarse) in Linlithgow 20 years ago in the four marys pub and the first thing he said am oot for a drink so don't talk politics.
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Mmmmwell now hold on a second. Regardless of his opinions (of leading his country up the garden path) you have to respect his stand down speech of respecting the democratic process, and the result.
... Arguably the first and only thing he said that made any sense. But credit where it's due. ...however brief. ;D
Why? He's a professional politician, who intends to keep working. What else did you expect him to do, burst into tears and crawl out of the room on his hands and knees?
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Mmmmwell now hold on a second. Regardless of his opinions (of leading his country up the garden path) you have to respect his stand down speech of respecting the democratic process, and the result.
... Arguably the first and only thing he said that made any sense. But credit where it's due. ...however brief. ;D
Why? He's a professional politician, who intends to keep working. What else did you expect him to do, burst into tears and crawl out of the room on his hands and knees?
Yes, whilst singing... This... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yw0bLHTOb0) ;D
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Mmmmwell now hold on a second. Regardless of his opinions (of leading his country up the garden path) you have to respect his stand down speech of respecting the democratic process, and the result.
... Arguably the first and only thing he said that made any sense. But credit where it's due. ...however brief. ;D
Why? He's a professional politician, who intends to keep working. What else did you expect him to do, burst into tears and crawl out of the room on his hands and knees?
He practically did that anyway. ;D pBut he could of left the book open and allowed over emotional types in the scotish national party to carry on picking the scab. He didn't and urged them to accept the result. Fair play I thought. :)
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Had he been a bit more honest and provided more solid answers about things like the currency and Scotland's EU membership, then I think he would have pulled it off. :-\
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I'm not domiciled back home in Scotland so couldn't vote but would have been on the No side.
However , I think it was right , proper and noble that after a long and hard fought campaign he stand down and allow a new leader to take his party into the new political spectrum.
He must have committed most, if not all ,of the last two years of his life to the referendum campaign and with such a wide age gap between he and his wife I think it wise that he get's back to some normality.
I have never agreed with his views or policies but do acknowledge his tenacity and belief in his convictions.
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With that out the way, is anyone slightly weary of the unionist side of all this?
;D yes I know it's potentially hypocritical ;D
I mean the presumption is, if your against an independent Scotland then you must be a unionist. Right? :-\
That doesn't sit well with me tbh. Not that it matters to an English man so much, or does it?
Thoughts? :)
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Well, if nowt else a No vote has stopped the UK economy from having ten bells of shit kicked out of it :-\
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With that out the way, is anyone slightly weary of the unionist side of all this?
;D yes I know it's potentially hypocritical ;D
I mean the presumption is, if your against an independent Scotland then you must be a unionist. Right? :-\
That doesn't sit well with me tbh. Not that it matters to an English man so much, or does it?
Thoughts? :)
If you were born in the last few hundred years, which I'd imagine all of us are (with the exception of maybe STMO), then we should by default be Unionists.
I was 100% all for the NO vote. I am a Unionist. I believe we are a great nation.
I was 100% UNTIL Cameron and Co rolled over and offered things which, well, why? Westminster is in charge of this nation, it's done OK so far.... why allow Alex Salmond to change all of that?
I changed my opinion to - Balls to it - Let them break off and do their own thing.
This is just the beginning. It won't end here, I can assure you!
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Yes good point re financial benefits.
Maybe I'm trying to understand my own thoughts more than anything, ;D and see where that relates, if at all. :-[ :-\
Unionist. ....Union. Unionism. You are a unionist. I am a unionist. Conjures up all the wrong images in my mind. Given the Celtic spirit.... I dunno it just seems wrong.
Financially, no brainer. Good for business. Good for economics. ..... Good for.......?
It's purely an emotional thing isn't it...? Must be. Independence I mean. Independence gives freedom, from what exactly? English repression? Really? I don't think so. The day I see a repressed Celt is the day I see a dead Celt. ;D (heaven forbid)
Financially we're better off "together" as they say. Can't see any arguments there. From either side.
So that just leaves identity. No? Opps me. Re jig the union flag so the Salitire is at the top, over laid, rather than the St George's cross over everything, and Cameron could save a fortune. ;D