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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Ady on 25 October 2014, 18:37:27
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Does anybody know the part number for mv6 suspension or a reg of an mv6 I can use to order parts.
Planing on putting Mv6 suspension on a 2002 facelift 2.6 CDX. Is it a straight swap??
Thanks guys :)
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I should have the receipt somewhere for the OE dampers I bought but to be perfectly honest I`d not buy them again as I`ve had a rear damper fail in under 8000k but it was out of the twelve month warranty by two months. They`re made by Sach`s and it`s the second premature failure I`ve had so I think Bilstiens are the way forward.
Springs are made from Unobtainium so second hand is your best bet.
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Failing a suitable car id, ask your dealer for lowered sports chassis for a v engine face lift mv6.
Then again mv6 suspension is rumoured to be special order at best, and at worst, unavailable. So Bilstein b4 shocks all round, and a 30mm drop at the front from the likes of Irmscher (rare again so,probably used) or eibach, with lsc mv6 rears if available or standard springs at the rear are the way to go.
Thus will gve an uneven ride height, but that has no disadvantage. In fact it should quicken the steering a fraction, but more importantly keep the rear suspension within spec. As it won't take more than 20mm drop and still keep the correct geo.
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Failing a suitable car id, ask your dealer for lowered sports chassis for a v engine face lift mv6.
Then again mv6 suspension is rumoured to be special order at best, and at worst, unavailable. So Bilstein b4 shocks all round, and a 30mm drop at the front from the likes of Irmscher (rare again so,probably used) or eibach, with lsc mv6 rears if available or standard springs at the rear are the way to go.
Thus will gve an uneven ride height, but that has no disadvantage. In fact it should quicken the steering a fraction, but more importantly keep the rear suspension within spec. As it won't take more than 20mm drop and still keep the correct geo.
What does this mean? MV6 and Elite don't have the same chassis?
Also, MV6 springs/shocks are no longer available from Vauxhall?
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Failing a suitable car id, ask your dealer for lowered sports chassis for a v engine face lift mv6.
Then again mv6 suspension is rumoured to be special order at best, and at worst, unavailable. So Bilstein b4 shocks all round, and a 30mm drop at the front from the likes of Irmscher (rare again so,probably used) or eibach, with lsc mv6 rears if available or standard springs at the rear are the way to go.
Thus will gve an uneven ride height, but that has no disadvantage. In fact it should quicken the steering a fraction, but more importantly keep the rear suspension within spec. As it won't take more than 20mm drop and still keep the correct geo.
What does this mean? MV6 and Elite don't have the same chassis?
Also, MV6 springs/shocks are no longer available from Vauxhall?
1 Lowered sports chassis is Vauxhalls designation for mv6 suspension, ie shocks and springs. You won't see mv6 suspension in the parts listings. And yes all other parts are the same within saloon and Estate.
2 so recent posts would suggest, possibly, yes. Depends if they have any in Germany. :-\
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Failing a suitable car id, ask your dealer for lowered sports chassis for a v engine face lift mv6.
Then again mv6 suspension is rumoured to be special order at best, and at worst, unavailable.
Dampers aren`t a problem AFAIK but the springs are like the proverbial rocking horse poo and alternatives are expensive, I paid £150 for front and rears for my dampers but that was with a good discount ;)
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Failing a suitable car id, ask your dealer for lowered sports chassis for a v engine face lift mv6.
Then again mv6 suspension is rumoured to be special order at best, and at worst, unavailable.
Dampers aren`t a problem AFAIK but the springs are like the proverbial rocking horse poo and alternatives are expensive, I paid £150 for front and rears for my dampers but that was with a good discount ;)
I was lucky with my rear springs then. Iirc he(parts man) said they only had a few sets left.
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yeah, I`m pretty sure springs are unavailable now :'(
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So if I wanted to MV6 my Elite suspension, the next best thing would be Bilstein B4 shocks all round and eibach or standard springs?
Gutted that I will not get the opportunity drive a Omega with proper suspension. :'(
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So if I wanted to MV6 my Elite suspension, the next best thing would be Bilstein B4 shocks all round and eibach or standard springs?
Gutted that I will not get the opportunity drive a Omega with proper suspension. :'(
Don't forget I've seen your car and tyre wear, before you sold it.
Rest of you lot talk amongst yourselves while I struggle to explain why SMD doesn't need firmer suspension without offending him :( ;D
Of all the people here that need mv6 suspension, your very near the bottom of the list Mr Smd. ;)
By that I mean, all the comfort will be lost in favour of all the harshness firmer suspension gives, without receiving any of the benefit of less body roll etc. as you, er, no disrespect, won't use it. (Wince :-[ )
Put another way, if I drove like Tunnie everywhere, the last thing I would do is firm up the suspension. You need to justify the added relative harshness over Elite suspension day to day or it just becomes a pain in the arris. Literally.
That's not to say mv6 is harsh. Just it's not as comfortable as an Elite when driven day to day plodding round in London traffic for example.
In other words , you are not trying hard enough may as well have the comfort. :P ;D :y
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I'm going to agree with Chris and he's going to spank me for the next paragraph.
The Omega handles like a boat. It handles like a boat in GLS trim, CD trim, Elite trim or MV6 trim. It's a boat with a wheel somewhere near (ish) each corner. It was never designed to be a sports car - There is not a car ever which weighed 1790Kg could comfortably carry 5 people, luggage and go round bends like a Focus. It's just not possible.
Spend a small fortune, and you will have a lowered vehicle, some awesome looking pictures of said lowered vehicle, but still body roll of Claire from 'Steps' when she liked Doughnuts.
Just dont.
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Re springs and ride height I wasn't clear enough earlier.
Rear ride height on mv6 is 15mm lower than stock. I suspect the reason for this is that the rear geometry settings are not achievable below 20mm from stock.
So if you want to lower and or firm up the rear from Elite ypu could;
Fit stock springs and keep the stock ride height
Fit mv6 lsc 15mm lower than stock if available
Fit a set of 30mm lower springs all round and add a 10 or 15mm thick pad under the rear springs. These can be polly or simply another one of the stock pads that all omegas have between the trailing arm and spring, so giving a rear geo that's in spec.
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I'm going to agree with Chris and he's going to spank me for the next paragraph.
The Omega handles like a boat. It handles like a boat in GLS trim, CD trim, Elite trim or MV6 trim. It's a boat with a wheel somewhere near (ish) each corner. It was never designed to be a sports car - There is not a car ever which weighed 1790Kg could comfortably carry 5 people, luggage and go round bends like a Focus. It's just not possible.
Spend a small fortune, and you will have a lowered vehicle, some awesome looking pictures of said lowered vehicle, but still body roll of Claire from 'Steps' when she liked Doughnuts.
Just dont.
Bloody BMW owners. Have I got to get the rubber mallet out. AGAIN! ;D
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In the grand scheme of things though, Mr wife beater isn't far off relatively speaking.
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:-* :-* :-*
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Ok Chris, you convinced me. I drive like Ms Daisy' chauffeur :( ;D It'll be left as is (if I can find one). I'm seeing the Nocturno Blue one tomorrow :y hopefully its a good one.
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and go round bends like a Focus. It's just not possible.
Thank the Lord for that! ;D
But I agree with the rest - the Omega can be made to be quite capable for an exec saloon, but its not a sports car.
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FYI: The front & rear springs from the V2 Monaro (2001-2005) will fit the Omega B. They will lower the Mig 25.4 mm (1 inch) and are just a little stiffer than the stock MV6 springs. The Pontiac GTO is a Monaro in drag and I have a full set of those springs on my 2001 Catera Sport (MV6). She sits a little lower and rides with authority, like she means business. Along with Koni Sport dampers front & rear (rebound adjustable) and poly-bushes where available, my car rides firmly and corners flatter. Firm but not harsh. Not a sports car but now a real sport sedan.
NOTE: The Monaro's front brake calipers (dual piston) along with their hoses will also fit the Omega. Poly front bushes are available for the Omega from Powerflex. The Monaro's rear bushings will fit the Omega and are available in poly from Pedders. Monaro front struts will not fit the Mig. Cars with the self leveling rear shocks will need that feature disabled if you fit non-air performance shocks. The link below is to my Catera Suspension Upgrades article. The problems and upgrades I mention apply to both our cars. The vendors I list are mostly in the USA but I'm sure you can find equivalent suppliers.
http://cateraowners.forumotion.com/t108-catera-suspension-upgrades-overview
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In the grand scheme of things though, Mr wife beater isn't far off relatively speaking.
Hmm. Not sure I agree.
No, the Omega isn't a sports car. Neither is anything much that is marketed as a sports car these days, as you certainly need to be in the hundreds of kilos, not the thousands, to be even in consideration there. So, anything BMW, even the 2 seaters, are out of the window, as is the aforementioned Focus <snigger> ;D. It's a fairly select band of cars where you won't fit the proverbial golf clubs in the boot, etc. (Hint: if you're even considering driving it to a golf club, it's not a sports car). Anyway, I digress...
The Omega drives much less like a barge than many much lighter cars out there IMHO. The thing that's so woeful about most medium/large cars is the amount of wallow on bends as soon as you even start to drive enthusiastically IMHO. I.E. before you even get near the (perhaps modest) limits of adhesion you're wondering if you can spare a hand to hold on to the seat to keep yourself upright. I tried a succession of lighter (1400/1500kg) largish hatchback / saloon cars before the Omega and most suffered this.
The Omega (in MV6 form. Not worth discussing the Elite suspension, IMHO) does control body roll well right up to the limit of adhesion IMHO. This means you can at least use the grip available enthusiastically without feeling seasick, and just giving up. I certainly didn't find a comparable car that ticked that box when I was looking.
This is key to enjoying a car, IMHO. The absolute limits of adhesion are clearly much higher in a "sports car" but that doesn't matter a great deal. What makes an enjoyable car is that they handle well up to that point, i.e. provide plenty of feedback and not wallowing around.
If this doesn't sound like your experience of an Omega, then maybe you should consider sorting out the suspension after all, rather than dismissing it as a boat, because if my MV6 with 170K on the original suspension is anything to go by, something must be wrong. ;)
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Quite :y
To add, self leveling isn't itself an issue with the correct springs fitted... (ie not Elite ones) :y
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In the grand scheme of things though, Mr wife beater isn't far off relatively speaking.
Hmm. Not sure I agree.
No, the Omega isn't a sports car. Neither is anything much that is marketed as a sports car these days, as you certainly need to be in the hundreds of kilos, not the thousands, to be even in consideration there. So, anything BMW, even the 2 seaters, are out of the window, as is the aforementioned Focus <snigger> ;D. It's a fairly select band of cars where you won't fit the proverbial golf clubs in the boot, etc. (Hint: if you're even considering driving it to a golf club, it's not a sports car). Anyway, I digress...
The Omega drives much less like a barge than many much lighter cars out there IMHO. The thing that's so woeful about most medium/large cars is the amount of wallow on bends as soon as you even start to drive enthusiastically IMHO. I.E. before you even get near the (perhaps modest) limits of adhesion you're wondering if you can spare a hand to hold on to the seat to keep yourself upright. I tried a succession of lighter (1400/1500kg) largish hatchback / saloon cars before the Omega and most suffered this.
The Omega (in MV6 form. Not worth discussing the Elite suspension, IMHO) does control body roll well right up to the limit of adhesion IMHO. This means you can at least use the grip available enthusiastically without feeling seasick, and just giving up. I certainly didn't find a comparable car that ticked that box when I was looking.
This is key to enjoying a car, IMHO. The absolute limits of adhesion are clearly much higher in a "sports car" but that doesn't matter a great deal. What makes an enjoyable car is that they handle well up to that point, i.e. provide plenty of feedback and not wallowing around.
If this doesn't sound like your experience of an Omega, then maybe you should consider sorting out the suspension after all, rather than dismissing it as a boat, because if my MV6 with 170K on the original suspension is anything to go by, something must be wrong. ;)
^ mv6 owner. :y ^
The rest of us have to retro fit, which is much easier than fitting all those lovely Elite gizmos if you want the best of both worlds :y
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To add to Elvins post re Monaro calipers...
The CV8/Pontiac GTO (5.7 Base model) calipers bolt straight on and give a useful upgrade as they are double piston rather than single and correspondingly have a greater pad area. The discs on this Monaro are the same size as Omega ones.
Ignore the rear discs though... for an upgrade, fit Omega vented rears imho.
The VXR versions sold here have bigger brakes from the factory... discs are thicker and 36mm greater in diameter. Calipers bolt straight on, but unless you go custom, the available discs require tweaking.
The official Monaro upgrades are AP racing items and cost £1900 for the complete kit... only the discs won't fit due to hub differences, so budget an extra £600+ to make them fit and work. :y
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Or fit 6pot brembos from q6 Tuareg Cayan with phaeton 360mm discs under your 18"rims and be done with it ;)
Brackets and some hub machining aside, an easy fit.