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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: KJ52TVE on 03 November 2014, 14:19:55
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I remember seeing the "Omega" sold as a Cadillac in the USA in the mid/late 1990's
It escapes me what it's model name was? I thought maybe "cimmarron"
Anybody out there got one or knows anything more?
I recall a full width high level brake light across the full width of the bootlid (trunk :-\ ) which looked pretty nice!
Cheers
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Cadillac Catera
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/pictures/10-cars-that-deserved-to-fail-cadillac-catera#slide-6
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Cadillac Catera (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Catera) :y
Bugger... bested by 12 seconds, but mine is blue ;D
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Cadillac Catera (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Catera) :y
Bugger... bested by 12 seconds, but mine is blue ;D
Didn't realize there was a Chevrolet Omega also ???
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Cadillac Catera. Regarded as one of the greatest fails of any US car maker! :o ;D
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Chevrolet Omega ;) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Omega
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Didn't realize there was a Chevrolet Omega also ???
The Chevrolet Omega is a Holden Commodore in disguise. It's wider than both the Vaux Omega and the Catera so give up hope of swapping bonnet or boot. They won't fit. As for the Catera boot lid with its LED stop light......it's a bit more complicated than it seems. Depending on your MY Omega, the tail lights on it and the Catera lids might not match.
If its a pre or mini lift then the 97-99 Catera lids will fit. The lens colors seem a little off but they do align. Problem is they might not function the same. Your laws being different some rewiring might be needed. The Catera turnsignals are the smoked portion on the wings (fenders), its brakelights are the red.Not sure if the smoked center portion lights up (I have a facelift model) but the back-up lights (rear foglights?) can be seen as darker rectangles within the lidwide smoked lens. The lens colors match so other than the question about their functionality and legality the lids should swap nicely. The example below doesn't have the LED strip so I don't know what to make of that.
(http://m8.i.pbase.com/g1/69/14969/2/97834208.PDGXoefB.jpg)
Its been done I just can't say if it would pass your MOT.
(http://m2.i.pbase.com/o2/69/14969/1/97834242.6DnjG34e.bild6996.jpg)
If it's a facelift model then the 2000-2001 Catera boot lid will need a little bodywork to accept the Omega tail lights but in this case the lens colors don't match and probably don't function the same regarding the turn signals and back-up lights. Our turn signals are the clear portions on the wing units (w/amber LEDs). The back-ups, the clear portions on the lid (w/clear incandescent bulbs). You'd know better the legallity of all that.
(http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2008/images/cadillac/cadillac_catera__1997-2001/2001-cadillac-catera_2-9284.jpg)
As you'll notice the corners are rounded on the Omega lights where the Catera's are sharper and of course the lens colors.
(http://m1.i.pbase.com/g3/69/14969/2/87787951.dayg1gVX.jpg)
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Cadillac Catera. Regarded as one of the greatest fails of any US car maker! :o ;D
Couldn't let tha particular "Sleeping Dog" lay now could you? And the little emoticons are a bit much, don't you think?
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Are the LED boot lights still available second hand over there :)
The wide boot lights i mean like on this one :y
(http://m8.i.pbase.com/g1/69/14969/2/97834208.PDGXoefB.jpg)
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To reiterate: That lid doesn't have the LED strip. The red plastic on the lid is decorative and glows red when the lights are on but it isn't the high mount center brakelight as required in the US.
(http://m7.i.pbase.com/g1/69/14969/2/97834207.QOjDVr7A.jpg)
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The red plastic on the lid is decorative and glows red when the lights are on but it isn't the high mount center brakelight as required in the US.
Are they available ?
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Are the LED boot lights still available second hand over there :)
The wide boot lights i mean like on this one :y
You need the bootlid as well... as Elvin pointed out, the panel is bolted to the bootlid, so the metalwork is different...
As for the shape of the facelift outer lights, the non North America light units are a fuller shape, but the shape of the light location on the quarter panel is identical as the bodyshells are identical across the globe :y
To fit the facelift Catera lights, you need the bootlid, both outer clusters and all the rear light wiring. Legally they should be fine, as they use amber lights for the indicators... unusual for American cars. The led third brake light is about the same length as the one on my EClass, so no issues there either :y
Chevrolet Omega ;) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Omega
For clarity, South America does things differently... the South American Omega A is the same as the European one, ie the Mk 2 Carlton/Opel Omega A. The rest, as wiki'dangle berries' says in plain english, are rebadged Holden Commodores, and have sfa to do with the Opel/Vauxhall Omega B that we know and love. Our Omega B was also sold in Japan, New Zealand, and the Middle east as the Chevrolet Omega just to confuse the simple folk :y
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Cadillac Catera (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Catera) :y
Bugger... bested by 12 seconds, but mine is blue ;D
I'll bet Aaron was a real 'swot' at school. ;D ;D
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The red plastic on the lid is decorative and glows red when the lights are on but it isn't the high mount center brakelight as required in the US.
Are they available ?
The boot lid is required as that panel is bolted on... also the lock is different, so probably some further work involved retrofitting the facelift mechanism to it, with its associated wiring :y
For Elvin... our '93-'98/9 cars have the facility to lock/unlock the boot lid with the key from the outside independently of the remote locking. It would seem yours do not :-\
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Cadillac Catera (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Catera) :y
Bugger... bested by 12 seconds, but mine is blue ;D
I'll bet Aaron was a real 'swot' at school. ;D ;D
I know I wasn't ::)
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Ah , that would work out expensive to buy and ship over :( Pity
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I've got all the facelift gear to apply to my car. If all goes to plan, I'll be doing it as part of next month's Total Vauxhall magazine project update.
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Cadillac Catera. Regarded as one of the greatest fails of any US car maker! :o ;D
Couldn't let tha particular "Sleeping Dog" lay now could you? And the little emoticons are a bit much, don't you think?
Eh?
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Eh?
I am a Catera owner. Yes it wasn't successful here (I blame the marketing). Yes it has it faults (but probably no worse than your Omegas). I acknowledge that and don't need to be reminded. It's bad enough hearing the snide comments about my car over here. Our forum has its own Catera trolls, former owners included, but I expected better from you people. What bothers me most is the little snarky emoticons. I apologize if I'm taking a comical poke too seriously but this is the first time anyone here has done this and I'm disappointed. I'll get over it I guess. I've always tried to be respectful here. Too bad it isn't returned.
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Eh?
I am a Catera owner. Yes it wasn't successful here (I blame the marketing). Yes it has it faults (but probably no worse than your Omegas). I acknowledge that and don't need to be reminded. It's bad enough hearing the snide comments about my car over here. Our forum has its own Catera trolls, former owners included, but I expected better from you people. What bothers me most is the little snarky emoticons. I apologize if I'm taking a comical poke too seriously but this is the first time anyone here has done this and I'm disappointed. I'll get over it I guess. I've always tried to be respectful here. Too bad it isn't returned.
I think that's where Humbucker was aiming.
Nothing serious, so don't take it to heart. It won't be the first decent car the 'Mericans have turned their nose up at!
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And, the Omega wasn't successful here in the UK, or anywhere really! ;D
You guys wanted bigger cars, we were forced into smaller cars. :-\
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For Elvin... our '93-'98/9 cars have the facility to lock/unlock the boot lid with the key from the outside independently of the remote locking. It would seem yours do not :-\
Funny story....Stuck with a dead battery one winter night. Booster cables in the trunk. It has no keyhole, only the remote solenoid. I had to fold the rear seats down and reach through the pass-through to snag the cables with my snow-brush. After watching me go through all that a nice lady gave me a boost. Come to think of it....not so funny. Not to me anyway.
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Eh?
I am a Catera owner. Yes it wasn't successful here (I blame the marketing). Yes it has it faults (but probably no worse than your Omegas). I acknowledge that and don't need to be reminded. It's bad enough hearing the snide comments about my car over here. Our forum has its own Catera trolls, former owners included, but I expected better from you people. What bothers me most is the little snarky emoticons. I apologize if I'm taking a comical poke too seriously but this is the first time anyone here has done this and I'm disappointed. I'll get over it I guess. I've always tried to be respectful here. Too bad it isn't returned.
Like or not, the Catera is a fascinating example of GM's formerly-enthusiastic badge-engineering, and it serves as a particularly interesting chapter in the Omega story. It's failure to capture the imagination of the heaving masses in the US (particularly when considered alongside the extraordinary lengths that the manufacturer went to when marketing the model), is noteworthy to fans of the car irrespective of the badge it wears. To acknowledge it as such is not to make a "snide" comment, nor is it something that deserves the term 'troll' to be banded about. As for "I expected better from you people", and "what bothers me most is snarky emoticons"... seriously?! Sheesh. Perhaps you should consider the one-dimensional nature of online messaging, where tone of voice is lost, and consider (just for one moment) that an enthusiastic Omega/Catera/whatever owner probably isn't on an owners forum that he has been a member of for a number of years simply to rip into other members about the cars that they drive. Cars that are the same as his own.
If there was any "comical poke" implied, then it was at the manufacturer and its failed efforts to market the car successfully, as reading between the lines of the original post might suggest. If I had a remark to direct at you, I would certainly have made that clear. And as for, "I've always tried to be respectful here. Too bad it isn't returned." Come on, get a little perspective. I don't see anyone disrespecting you.
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Not to fan the flames, but your own profile proudly displays the words, "Catera...Cadillac's unloved stepchild." <insert ambiguous emoticon here /> That's a little at odds with "I don't need to be reminded. It's bad enough hearing the snide comments about my car over here." Who gives a shit what anyone else thinks? We love these cars, you love your car, that's all that matters. Don't be so sensitive about it.
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I spent a few months in TX over the years of 2004-2006. The Catera was quite a common sight there. :y
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And, the Omega wasn't successful here in the UK, or anywhere really! ;D
You guys wanted bigger cars, we were forced into smaller cars. :-\
Maybe I'm European at heart. I hate large cars. The American passion for SUVs and Pick-up Trucks is ridiculous and even more so the ones from BMW, MBz, Audi, and the Japanese. I bought my Catera knowing it was an Opel and because the BMWs I used to love had gone so far from the "Ultimate Driving Machines" they used were in the past. Bimmers here are commonplace, driven by posers instead of enthusiasts.
In the Catera Sport I saw a German sport sedan in the 5 Series mold that with a few suspension and brake upgrades I felt could hold its own on a twisty road. Down on power yes, but with no Autobahn here to exploit the extra power I feel my 2001 Catera Sport (MV6), with Polybushes all around, Koni dampers, Monaro/GTO front brakes and front & rear springs, is on equal footing with Bimmers of the same period.
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I spent a few months in TX over the years of 2004-2006. The Catera was quite a common sight there. :y
I saw one in my town around a month ago, also a platinum facelift Catera Sport, and nearly crapped my pants from surprise. As we passed eachother I could see the shock on that owner's face as well. Wish we could have stopped and chatted. They are very rare around here in Upstate New York.
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Not to fan the flames, but your own profile proudly displays the words, "Catera...Cadillac's unloved stepchild." <insert ambiguous emoticon here /> That's a little at odds with "I don't need to be reminded. It's bad enough hearing the snide comments about my car over here." Who gives a shit what anyone else thinks? We love these cars, you love your car, that's all that matters. Don't be so sensitive about it.
I'm over it. Letting off a bit of steam here helped. As for my tagline, it's sort of like this.....I can bitch about her, but no one else. >:( ;)
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...more so the ones from BMW, MBz, Audi, and the Japanese.
Whoops.....I forgot about Porsche. People who buy these German "Sport" SUVs are buying them solely for the BADGES. Americans rarely use them off-road and rely on the AWD to make up for their own lack of winter driving skills. Don't ask me why they buy them in our arrid southern states. It rarely rains and never snows.
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...more so the ones from BMW, MBz, Audi, and the Japanese.
Whoops.....I forgot about Porsche. People who buy these German "Sport" SUVs are buying them solely for the BADGES. Americans rarely use them off-road and rely on the AWD to make up for their own lack of winter driving skills. Don't ask me why they buy them in our arrid southern states. It rarely rains and never snows.
I'm glad they have no use for them off-road, because they don't work-off road. ;D
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...more so the ones from BMW, MBz, Audi, and the Japanese.
Whoops.....I forgot about Porsche. People who buy these German "Sport" SUVs are buying them solely for the BADGES. Americans rarely use them off-road and rely on the AWD to make up for their own lack of winter driving skills. Don't ask me why they buy them in our arrid southern states. It rarely rains and never snows.
I gave my mate's Audi Q7 a good run along the beach near Galveston TX last year, but it felt like a girls car compared to all those 'Good Ole Boys' pick ups! ::) ;D
PS I didn't see any Catara's either. :(
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.... Americans rarely use them off-road and rely on the AWD to make up for their own lack of winter driving skills. Don't ask me why they buy them in our arrid southern states. It rarely rains and never snows.
Same applies over here. I now drive a US built Mercedes R Class (Phillbut ::)) 4x4 that will hardly ever see snow & likely never drive off road :y
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And, the Omega wasn't successful here in the UK, or anywhere really! ;D
You guys wanted bigger cars, we were forced into smaller cars. :-\
Maybe I'm European at heart. I hate large cars. The American passion for SUVs and Pick-up Trucks is ridiculous and even more so the ones from BMW, MBz, Audi, and the Japanese. I bought my Catera knowing it was an Opel and because the BMWs I used to love had gone so far from the "Ultimate Driving Machines" they used were in the past. Bimmers here are commonplace, driven by posers instead of enthusiasts.
In the Catera Sport I saw a German sport sedan in the 5 Series mold that with a few suspension and brake upgrades I felt could hold its own on a twisty road. Down on power yes, but with no Autobahn here to exploit the extra power I feel my 2001 Catera Sport (MV6), with Polybushes all around, Koni dampers, Monaro/GTO front brakes and front & rear springs, is on equal footing with Bimmers of the same period.
Certainly at launch, the Omega (and hence Caterra) was considered a better handling car than a 5 series of that era. :y
I always felt the biggest challenge the Caterra faced was the fact that GM never bothered to train the techs or support the parts and special tools required to maintain them in the US.
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Although the Catera was touted as (I shudder as I type this): "The Caddy That Zigs", implying that it was the sportiest, best handling Cadillac ever, they burdened it with at least 400 lbs. of weight over the Omega, at least 20 less HP, and the Elite's softer suspension. Cadillac just couldn't shake the plush luxury monkey off its back.
You're right about the training. It's a waste of time taking a Catera to a dealership for even routine service let alone problem solving and repair. "Sorry, we don't have anyone trained on the Catera", even though the Catera and CTS basically used the same engine for 2 years. But what I think sank the Catera before it even left the dock was the lame marketing campaign.
That unspeakable tagline was bad enough but a cartoon duck? I know they were seeking a younger buyer but please! It was insulting. Asking a prospective buyer to lay down $30,000+ USD (serious money in 1996) but then to add injury to insult they had the nerve to offer you a Ziggy lapel pin. Not a Cadillac crest mind you, a friggin' duck. BMW owners had the Blue & White spinning prop, MBz owners had the Tri Point Star, Porsche owners had the Black Rearing Horse of Stuttgart, and Audi owners had the Auto Union Rings. All symbols rich with heritage that could be worn with pride. Catera owners? We got a red cartoon duck.
One final insult. On my 2001 Catera there is a Cadillac Crest & Wreath on the grille and on the trunk lid, one on each wheel center cap, one on the steering wheel, one on the shifter knob, and finally one on the engine's plenum. All of them small and colorless. No where on the car does it say CADILLAC in that famous, beautiful script. No Cadillac anywhere to be found. They didn't deem the Catera worthy of carrying their name. The crest was changed for the CTS, STS, DTS, et al, so I guess they were just clearing the shelves of the old style ones.
Bitter? Maybe, but I get the last laugh. The Catera was a better car than they ever dreamed and had they given it the respect and attention it deserved they would have had a hit on there hands.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8113/8616298747_4af0ecc0e3.jpg)
(http://www.antiquesnavigator.com/ebay/images/2011/150577286395.jpg)
The advertising agency that sold them that campaign must have laughed themselves all the way to the bank.
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How much does your Catera weigh?
Actually I can answer that... 1768kgs, against 1700kgs for an Elite auto saloon... the extra 68 kilos probably found in the extra lights: front fog light assemblies are twice the size/front side marker lights/the extra light panels on the boot lid and the wing spoiler on the trunk lid :y
Yes it is down on power, 200 bhp vs 211 bhp on a UK 3.0/ 218 bhp for the dbw 3.2, but not significantly :-\
Might be worth trying a UK spec 3.2 ecu in your car :-\ I have one, with immobilser chip set... pm if you want to give it a go :y
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How much does your Catera weigh?
My vehicle registration card reads: 3770 lbs. An owner on our forum dyno'd his car at 193 HP at the rear wheels. Mine is a 2001 with the V6. Wikipedia shows the Omega B weighing 3373 lbs with 208 HP on tap.
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How much does your Catera weigh?
My vehicle registration card reads: 3770 lbs. An owner on our forum dyno'd his car at 193 HP at the rear wheels.
That's 1700kgs near as dammit, which is 44kgs more than our MV6, but the same weight as our Elite
Wiki'dangle berries' suggests 3897 lbs... does yours have fully electric front seats :-\ guess not from the weight...
The extra bits I listed previously might only be 44kgs worth :-\
Also 193bhp at the wheels could be 200+ at the flywheel, which is where the factory numbers come from :y
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Actually I can answer that... 1768kgs, against 1700kgs for an Elite auto saloon... the extra 68 kilos probably found in the extra lights: front fog light assemblies are twice the size/front side marker lights/the extra light panels on the boot lid and the wing spoiler on the trunk lid :y
We do have the power/heated seats, along with power windows & door locks, a full size spare, a power sunroof, HID projector headlights, fog & turning lights, the Bose amplifier in the trunk under the rear window shelf, plus a ton of sound deadening insulation for that fabled Cadillac quiet. That and the chassis reinforcements to satisfy the Federal crash test. Some cars have that power rear window shade, and remote CD changer behind the rear right trunk panel.
Yes it is down on power, 200 bhp vs 211 bhp on a UK 3.0/ 218 bhp for the dbw 3.2, but not significantly :-\
Not significant.....maybe so, but that extra 11 HP or the 3.2's 18 sure would make me feel better.
Might be worth trying a UK spec 3.2 ecu in your car :-\ I have one, with immobilser chip set... pm if you want to give it a go :y
I appreciate the offer but your ECU speaks a different language. Ours is OBD II so yours wouldn't comply with our government smog sniffers. Ours aren't chipable either. The CPU is soldered to the board with no socket. No way to change the chip and no way to flash them that we know of. BIG BROTHER doesn't trust us.
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.... Ours is OBD II so ...
So is ours. ;) The 2.5 & 3.0 are not whereas the 2.6 & 3.2 drive by wire throttled cars are OBDII :y
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Sounds like your cars are basically our Elite spec with some exterior decoration :-\ in which case the weight discrepancy might be due to the way the weight is measured... ie ours allow a certain amount of fuel plus a standard driver weight, rather than simply weighing the car 'dry' :y
And as Andy B suggests, your car is electrically a 3.2 that was fitted with a 3.0 block... so there should be scope there :-\
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That's an interesting piece of news about the ECU. I'll spread the word. Thank you. As for the rest, I pretty much knew our cars were Elites, Cadillac wasn't going to give up the chance to load the Catera with all that equipment, it's in their blood. But they were selling us on the sport nature of the car. It wasn't until the 2000-2001 MY that they gave us a base suspension that had some descent handling. With the Catera Sport they installed the full MV6 suspension and fulfilled their promise. She still carried the Elite's weight but at least she danced better than before.
PS: Earlier I forgot to mention the self-leveling rear suspension so there's the weight of the air compressor to add to the weight too.
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I always liked the extended front foglights on the facelift Cadillac Catera, look much better than our standard bumper.
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That's an interesting piece of news about the ECU. I'll spread the word. Thank you. As for the rest, I pretty much knew our cars were Elites, Cadillac wasn't going to give up the chance to load the Catera with all that equipment, it's in their blood. But they were selling us on the sport nature of the car. It wasn't until the 2000-2001 MY that they gave us a base suspension that had some descent handling. With the Catera Sport they installed the full MV6 suspension and fulfilled their promise. She still carried the Elite's weight but at least she danced better than before.
PS: Earlier I forgot to mention the self-leveling rear suspension so there's the weight of the air compressor to add to the weight too.
Standard fit on the Elites too, albeit with wallowy springs :y
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I wonder wether the Omega might have suffered a different fate if they had marketed it with the 5.7 V8 :-\
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The car may have been more successful with a Buick badge. Pitching it as a Cadillac was a tough sell. I'm referencing this very subject (Catera and its fate) in my next magazine project car update. iirc, the facelift was only sold for a year before the model was ditched altogether.
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I wonder wether the Omega might have suffered a different fate if they had marketed it with the 5.7 V8 :-\
Probly......Us 'Muricans love us some V8s.
The 3 biggest fails in recent Cadillac history are the the '82-'88 Cimarron, the '97-'01 Catera, and the '80-'81 Deville. The Cimarron had an inline 4 cyl engine and later a V6. The Catera a V6. The Deville had the notorious V 8-6-4. Cadillac was the first automobile maker to mass-produce a V8 engine. The company has produced eight generations of V8s since 1914 so I believe prospective buyers expected a V8. They hyped it as a sport sedan and to most Americans sport, when it comes to cars, means V8.
I have to admit that back in 1996, when the Catera debuted, I was disappointed it didn't have a V8. Not a OHV with pushrods, but a free reving DOHC 32 valve V8.
The V6 was sophisticated enough to make me forget the V8 but when we heard about the Omega V8 project hopes were high. Oh well. Here's what John Lingenfelter did with those unused Omega V8 parts. He planned to sell converted Cateras but passed away after the 1 prototype. I give you the Catera V.
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http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/the_catera_v
(http://m8.i.pbase.com/o6/69/14969/1/72707658.pezbjGKT.CateraVb.jpg)
(http://m0.i.pbase.com/o6/69/14969/1/72707660.YgJipSim.CateraVd.jpg)
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The news that he passed away after producing one example does rather explain the sudden lack of focused drive with this incarnation of the Omega B following GMs decision to can the project :-\
Sweet pics though :y any more detailed shots of that car :-\
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Now that looks just right , and to think we could all be sitting here with a nice V8 in our cars :) Worth another look
(http://m0.i.pbase.com/o6/69/14969/1/72707660.YgJipSim.CateraVd.jpg)
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Now that looks just right , and to think we could all be sitting here with a nice V8 in our cars :) Worth another look
V8 Omegas with night vision cameras at that! :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Orc0m4vEck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Orc0m4vEck)
(http://www.irmschermv6.com/images/opel-omega-v8-10.jpg)
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The news that he passed away after producing one example does rather explain the sudden lack of focused drive with this incarnation of the Omega B following GMs decision to can the project :-\
Sweet pics though :y any more detailed shots of that car :-\
Follow the link I provided to see build pics and more. After his death the compant liquidated its stock of parts. The Catera owners I know of bought these "kits" with the intent of building their own Catera V8s but I have yet to see proof of one completed. Not that it's impossible but these were never meant as DIY projects. Lingenfelter had a complete shop and skilled techs to do what it took the Opel factory to do.
A few are still being slowly built but I think the rest have found the job daunting and pushed it to a corner of the barn or sold off the parts. One well documented V8 project is MyOpel's "Can't Wait" build. It's taking time but of all the V8 projects I think his will be completed someday. You can follow his project below.
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http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-catera-cimarron-forum/130818-cant-wait.html
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/75Stingray/My%20Catera/IMG_4830.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/75Stingray/My%20Catera/IMG00116-20111106-1654.jpg)
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Here are a couple of shots of the Catera V not in my album.
I believe this is the final engine bay treatment of the Lingenfelter Catera V.
(http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-catera-cimarron-forum/75034d1303793810-pics-your-modded-cat-underhood-800j.jpg)
Faked I think. No way could he be parked that close to a buzzing Blue Angel F/A-18 Hornet.
(http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-catera-cimarron-forum/75032d1303793810-pics-your-modded-cat-catera-angel-1.jpg)
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Whoa Information overload!!
Now I remember!!!! :y :y
So Taxi Al, whats with the Avril Pic? I used to live in Napanee (well my office was in Napanee, I lived in Picton) ;) :D
Cheers Everyone
Rich :D
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;D No significance beyond being quite fit... if a bit shouty :y
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They say ''beauty is in the eye of the beholder''..... well,personally I think the Omega was berated as a poor man's substitute for the BMW end of the market and just because Jeremy Fart face didn't endorse the Omega's exisitence I don't give a sh*t about what he or people think about the Vauxhall badge,because every time I look at my cars on the drive they give me a buzz.Also I'm rich in the knowledge that it's highly unlikely that there will never be a bright red Omega along side me or behind me at a set of traffic lights,so all the p*ss takers and knockers can naff off because I like many others on this forum love our cars and will endeavour to keep them running until perhaps one day they will attain classic status :y
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Amen Nitro!
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They say ''beauty is in the eye of the beholder''..... well,personally I think the Omega was berated as a poor man's substitute for the BMW end of the market and just because Jeremy Fart face didn't endorse the Omega's exisitence I don't give a sh*t about what he or people think about the Vauxhall badge,because every time I look at my cars on the drive they give me a buzz.Also I'm rich in the knowledge that it's highly unlikely that there will never be a bright red Omega along side me or behind me at a set of traffic lights,so all the p*ss takers and knockers can naff off because I like many others on this forum love our cars and will endeavour to keep them running until perhaps one day they will attain classic status :y
I seem to recall that Clarkson did credit the Omega with being the best handling car sold by Vauxhall at the time and all of that lot seem to love the Monaro. For some reason he didn't rate the Vectra B though.... Strangely someone once said that Ford delivered an Escort Cosworth to his door straight after he slated the Vectra.
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I must have blinked and missed it ::) ;)
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In my Uni days we had Steve Cropley of Autocar give us a talk, and he did make a reference that Vauxhall have a calculation of the predicted sales / £ revenue that that single Top Gear report and Jeremy Clarkson cost them in sales of the Vectra. He simple described it as (with a pause) "...a lot" :o
Personally I am flummoxed.The thing with road tests / testers is it's all 'which car gets the point in this round' style of 'journalism' ie: BMW or Omega which is faster 0-60? Ahh the BMW by 0.1 of a second. The BMW gets the point, the Omega is rubbish!! Ahhh, which has the better build quality? Ahhh, the BMW (questionable IMO, but y'know, for arguments' sake... :y) the BMW gets the point! And then that catch-all line summing-up statement.... "the BMW is £lalalala more expensive, of course, but IF YOU CAN IGNORE THE PRICE DIFFERENCE, we say choose the BMW." as if a £6k price difference is 'nothing' or 'pah, tis but a scratch' kind of thing?
In fairness, yes, he was pretty positive about the Omega, and very very positive about the Monaro (the joy that his favourite Vauxhall being one that is based on a floorpan tracing its roots to 1978, and differing basically very little from a 1986 Carlton / 1994 Omega.... but nevertheless I just want to state for all time to see, the slating of the Vectra was unjustified, and they have worn twice as good as equivalent aged Mondeos I've been in. :y
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The Catera has a good twin cup holder though. I got one off American eBay.
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The Catera has a good twin cup holder though. I got one off American eBay.
Not my car but I have the same cupholders:
(http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-catera-cimarron-forum/89323d1333481549-rear-seat-center-armrest-cup-holder-rear-cupholders.jpg)
I assumed you meant the rears because I think the fronts were the same whether Catera or Omega. Thing is, not all Catera's had rear cupholders, just like not all had heated rear seats, the power rear windowshade, or powersunroof.
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Our facelift Omega only has one cup holder... under the centre armrest in the front, therefore really useful... not ::)
Your pop out from the front of the centre armrest iirc, but we do get a storage compartment in the top of the armrest which you dip out on due to the cupholder mechanism...
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Ours is built into the center armrest. It's a two-holer though this shot shows it only opened to the first. It's a crappy design with a detent that when it fails will not lock the cupholder tray in the retracted position. Mine hasn't closed in 4 years.Not a big deal as I always have a water bottle or two in them but it bothers me to know it won't stay retracted if I wanted it to.
Not my car (again) but it's a FL Catera Sport like mine.
(http://m3.i.pbase.com/o6/69/14969/1/72813963.alGyphEV.p1000582.jpg)
Too bad mine isn't as clean as this one.
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Our facelift Omega only has one cup holder... under the centre armrest in the front, therefore really useful... not ::)
Ideally situated to knock a cup of coffee over with your elbow if you get a bit excited! ::) ;D
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WAIT!! Coffee?? I thought all you chaps drank Tea. :o
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WAIT!! Coffee?? I thought all you chaps drank Tea. :o
You've got to love stereotypes ;D
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We do drink tea out of choice but sadly the cup holders are two small to accommodate the tea pot, sugar cube bowl, tea strainer, china cup and saucer.
So we have to resort to poor quality coffee in a paper cup :'(
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Tea on the move usually comes from a flask, and the plastic cup doesn't fit in the cup holder as the handle gets in the way! :(
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Tea on the move usually comes from a flask, and the plastic cup doesn't fit in the cup holder as the handle gets in the way! :(
That's why the picnic table, deck chair and tartan blanket are safely tucked in the boot next to the crank sensor and HBV.
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We do drink tea out of choice but sadly the cup holders are two small to accommodate the tea pot, sugar cube bowl, tea strainer, china cup and saucer.
So we have to resort to poor quality coffee in a paper cup :'(
:y ;D
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WAIT!! Coffee?? I thought all you chaps drank Tea. :o
You've got to love stereotypes ;D
Jolly Good, Smashing, Pip Pip, Cheerio, and All That Rot.
(just getting some stereotypes out of my system ;D)
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Tea on the move usually comes from a flask, and the plastic cup doesn't fit in the cup holder as the handle gets in the way! :(
That's why the picnic table, deck chair and tartan blanket are safely tucked in the boot next to the crank sensor and HBV.
What......no crumpets? :(
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What......no crumpet? :(
Plenty of crumpet elvin! :y They come in all shapes and sizes too! ;D
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I took delivery of my facelift Catera front cup holders a few weeks back. The PFL Catera cup holder is a straightforward installation in a PFL Omega, but the centre arm rest that houses the facelift Catera cup holders is a different design to the Omega equivalent. Therefore, you need the entire centre armrest in order to fit facelift cup holders, or you'll need to heavily butcher your Omega's centre arm rest in the hope of getting them to fit. The other consideration is that they eject at an angle designed for a left hooker. I will report back as soon as I get them working.
In other news, my exterior Catera parts are now back from the body shop :)
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the centre arm rest that houses the facelift Catera cup holders is a different design to the Omega equivalent. Therefore, you need the entire centre armrest in order to fit facelift cup holders, or you'll need to heavily butcher your Omega's centre arm rest in the hope of getting them to fit. The other consideration is that they eject at an angle designed for a left hooker
Funny how we take the little things for granted. I didn't think about the difference in the armrests though it was mentioned that your cupholder was underneath the rest so naturally it wouldn't accomodate the Catera mechanism. And the fact that ours slides out at an angle to the right, well I had not even considered that. A common problem with the FL Catera cupholders is their unwillingness to stay latched. Former owner Ivan Rossinskiy made a video detailing the fix. Even if the one you aquired is in good working order the video might help in converting your armrest to accept our cupholder mechanism. Good Luck.
http://youtu.be/amiAOyJ5oT0
I have assembled a list of other Maintenance & Repair Videos you might find useful. Feel free to link to this page or create a similar list on your site using the YouTube urls I've collected.
http://cateraowners.forumotion.com/t480-maintenance-repair-videos#1533
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Cup holders look handy, but would sit directly over where my Harmon Kardon control knob sits. Which is exactly where the twelve volt connector is on the catera. Not sure that's wise either tbh. :-\