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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: terry paget on 31 January 2015, 12:15:02
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It gets more and more difficult to buy a car and get it home, now that tax discs ar no longer used. I thought I might hire a trailer and trailer it home, now I find towing vehicle unladen must he heavier than the loaded trailer, so I cannot trailer an Omega home with an Omega. Can I legally tow a car using a towbar, if the car is insured, but not taxed or MOT'd?
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If the wheels of the towed car are on the road it needs tax, mot, insurance.
When you add the weight of a trailer to an Omega, it will be well over the legal towing weight for another Omega.
Realistically, your options are get a bigger towcar, pay for a recovery company to shift it, or get the car legal and drive it. You can tax it and then cash in the tax. That will cost you one month's tax or 20 odd quid. Or MOT it between car's location and home if it's local. You might be able to blag that as it's legal to drive to and from an MOT without tax or MOT. Obviously, if it's more than a few miles, the plod won't buy that story.
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if its taxed and mot'ed will not the old owner drive it to your place and you drop him home...although unrealistic if you live in lands end and car is located in scotland :y
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yeah. spend you're money to the goverment and they give it away to other counhtry's.
in one day insurance and short tax to get it home. all this vat they earn.
other option just by a new earth saving car.
govt sucks.
all the regulations are just good for them.
buying a used car is made nearly impossible by our govt so nobody makes money on selling a car anymore,
because you dont give them taxes when selling you're car.
buy a new one instead and spend your money in some small pisspot car with no space and style and support the manufacterer.
that's all about.
every govt around the uk try to get cars of the road but not rid of the support to other poor country's.
time the give the money we spend back to us instead forcing us to help others.
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If it's MoTd then tax it online when you collect it :y
Takes all of five minutes, hardly an inconvenience ::)
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If you need to tax it I don't think these 1 day insurance thingy sites will suffice to get it taxed.
Thought about hiring a little car transporter i.e Tran$hit or of the like, they ain't that expensive either.
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If you need to tax it I don't think these 1 day insurance thingy sites will suffice to get it taxed.
Thought about hiring a little car transporter i.e Tran$hit or of the like, they ain't that expensive either.
That would need a good look at the load rating/size; I've been driving a Citroen Relay based transporter the last few days, and an Omega won't fit on it!
The best way would be to tow a proper trailer with a suitable vehicle; Discovery, Range Rover, Transit, Sprinter etc.
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Buy an A frame and light board , take a mate . What have done in past
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If you need to tax it I don't think these 1 day insurance thingy sites will suffice to get it taxed.
Thought about hiring a little car transporter i.e Tran$hit or of the like, they ain't that expensive either.
Dont need Insurance to Tax a Car anymore, they scrapped that idea jusr before the new Car Taxing Rules came in. ;)
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If its not far, us a solid bar,put a strip of tank tape across number plates and get it done.
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Buy an A frame and light board , take a mate . What have done in past
I thought they changed the rules on A Frames, in favor for Recovery Purposes Only, ie in theory if your recovering a car from the road then it should be legal to be on the road in the first place.
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I thought they changed the rules on A Frames,
Yup 4 wheels on the ground, should be fully legit now.
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How far away from Norton is it?
Assuming it does have a valid MOT, I will be in Ston Easton in the next few weeks a number of times. I could bring my trade plates (only covers VED) and I'm insured on my trade policy for any vehicle. There are no exemptions for me to drive with no MOT, bar the usual to and from a pre-booked appointment.
A Frames - as said are only suitable for recovery of a vehicle. For example, you are not allowed to drive onto a motorway towing an A Frame, but you can recover a vehicle from a motorway.
The police and courts are tight on this. When in court, I was on the bench and we upheld a prosecution for no insurance and failure to tax on a vehicle being towed.
If VED has expired for more than 3 months and one day the vehicle can be seized.
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more than 3 months and one day
Its 2 months & 1 day I believe Josh :y
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Ah, I may have been to charitable with the extra month then ;D
How many prosecutions would say each month you personally put forward for no insurance?
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more than 3 months and one day
Its 2 months & 1 day I believe Josh :y
Yes it is :y
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I can do 15-20 in a month & 90% of them pay the fine & have the points
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I can do 15-20 in a month & 90% of them pay the fine & have the points
The excuses never get old though ;D
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The ones who 'think' that because they have 'can drive any other car' on their policy really make me laugh. They should read the small print which clearly states -
1. The car must not belong to themselves
2. Is not hired
3. Has its OWN insurance policy in place
4. has the permission of the car owner
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The ones who 'think' that because they have 'can drive any other car' on their policy really make me laugh. They should read the small print which clearly states -
1. The car must not belong to themselves
2. Is not hired
3. Has its OWN insurance policy in place
4. has the permission of the car owner
This is the bit that people seem to conveniently miss out ;)
And is the bit that was pointed out by the Boyz in Blue to my 'sister-in-law' when she'd been stopped for no insurance & her car was impounded.
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The ones who 'think' that because they have 'can drive any other car' on their policy really make me laugh. They should read the small print which clearly states -
1. The car must not belong to themselves
2. Is not hired
3. Has its OWN insurance policy in place
4. has the permission of the car owner
This is the bit that people seem to conveniently miss out ;)
And is the bit that was pointed out by the Boyz in Blue to my 'sister-in-law' when she'd been stopped for no insurance & her car was impounded.
Exactly........... ;) ;)
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all just to make money.
why not just insure a car and it is insured.
other countrys doing it why is it so hard for the uk?
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yeah. spend you're money to the goverment and they give it away to the lazy here in the UK.
Fixed.
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all just to make money.
why not just insure a car and it is insured.
other countrys doing it why is it so hard for the uk?
Because, due to having too many retarded, stupid, self-centred do-gooders, we're too tied up trying to legislate around stupidity, rather than shooting those dragging society down.
We've traditionally had, for years, a problem with untaxed, unmot'd and uninsured vehicles. So I applaud the attempts to clean it up, even if it may be slightly misguided. In reality, it affects such a small number of people, and genuine traders will have the resources to get vehicles moved.
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Who says he can't tow it? I can't remember the exact figures but the weight plate on mine states gross train weight of 3.7tonne ish. That gives you a towing weight over 2 tonne. 1.7t for the car, 300kg trailer, you're in business. Shouldn't struggle, I tow a 1500kg caravan with my dizzle and not a problem. Best tow car I've had
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Except most car trailers are more like 5-700Kg plated weight (those big enough to stick an Omega on, anyway)..
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yeah. spend you're money to the goverment and they give it away to other counhtry's.
in one day insurance and short tax to get it home. all this vat they earn.
other option just by a new earth saving car.
govt sucks.
all the regulations are just good for them.
buying a used car is made nearly impossible by our govt so nobody makes money on selling a car anymore,
because you dont give them taxes when selling you're car.
buy a new one instead and spend your money in some small pisspot car with no space and style and support the manufacterer.
that's all about.
every govt around the uk try to get cars of the road but not rid of the support to other poor country's.
time the give the money we spend back to us instead forcing us to help others.
Standard non informed response.
Govt spend as a pie chart 2009 - 2010:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/UKExpenditure.svg/2000px-UKExpenditure.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/UKExpenditure.svg/2000px-UKExpenditure.svg.png)
So largest portion goes on social care, health, education and then defence. The overseas spend is a tiny part of the 11% other spend. In fact, 0.7% of gross national income if I remember correctly.
Get your facts right before taking a daily fail approach to blaming overseas aid for all our problems.
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Thank you gentlemen. That clears that up. So what I need to do is hire a recovery vehicle and collect the car, unless it has MOT, when I can arrange insurance and tax when I buy.
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Thank you gentlemen. That clears that up. So what I need to do is hire a recovery vehicle and collect the car, unless it has MOT, when I can arrange insurance and tax when I buy.
Exactly :y
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Who says he can't tow it? I can't remember the exact figures but the weight plate on mine states gross train weight of 3.7tonne ish. That gives you a towing weight over 2 tonne. 1.7t for the car, 300kg trailer, you're in business. Shouldn't struggle, I tow a 1500kg caravan with my dizzle and not a problem. Best tow car I've had
Kerb weight of a 2.2 auto Sport saloon is 1585ish kgs, lightest twin axle car trailer with an 1800 kg payload is 500kgs, which gives a trailer weight of just under 2100kgs...
My Merc was rated to 2100kgs, but the 3.2 Estate wouldn't come close... certainly far enough over to be shot at the roadside :-\
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Thank you gentlemen. That clears that up. So what I need to do is hire a recovery vehicle and collect the car, unless it has MOT, when I can arrange insurance and tax when I buy.
TBH, with the price of cars these days, do you really wont to buy a car without an MOT?, if the seller is serious about selling then there put an MOT on it and price to sell, if its failed the MOT then whats the car worth?
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Who says he can't tow it? I can't remember the exact figures but the weight plate on mine states gross train weight of 3.7tonne ish. That gives you a towing weight over 2 tonne. 1.7t for the car, 300kg trailer, you're in business. Shouldn't struggle, I tow a 1500kg caravan with my dizzle and not a problem. Best tow car I've had
Kerb weight of a 2.2 auto Sport saloon is 1585ish kgs, lightest twin axle car trailer with an 1800 kg payload is 500kgs, which gives a trailer weight of just under 2100kgs...
My Merc was rated to 2100kgs, but the 3.2 Estate wouldn't come close... certainly far enough over to be shot at the roadside :-\
No such problems here with a max braked trailer weight of 3500kg and GTW of almost 6000Kg.. ;D
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Who says he can't tow it? I can't remember the exact figures but the weight plate on mine states gross train weight of 3.7tonne ish. That gives you a towing weight over 2 tonne. 1.7t for the car, 300kg trailer, you're in business. Shouldn't struggle, I tow a 1500kg caravan with my dizzle and not a problem. Best tow car I've had
Kerb weight of a 2.2 auto Sport saloon is 1585ish kgs, lightest twin axle car trailer with an 1800 kg payload is 500kgs, which gives a trailer weight of just under 2100kgs...
My Merc was rated to 2100kgs, but the 3.2 Estate wouldn't come close... certainly far enough over to be shot at the roadside :-\
No such problems here with a max braked trailer weight of 3500kg and GTW of almost 6000Kg.. ;D
And it's the obligatory orange ;D
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Who says he can't tow it? I can't remember the exact figures but the weight plate on mine states gross train weight of 3.7tonne ish. That gives you a towing weight over 2 tonne. 1.7t for the car, 300kg trailer, you're in business. Shouldn't struggle, I tow a 1500kg caravan with my dizzle and not a problem. Best tow car I've had
Kerb weight of a 2.2 auto Sport saloon is 1585ish kgs, lightest twin axle car trailer with an 1800 kg payload is 500kgs, which gives a trailer weight of just under 2100kgs...
My Merc was rated to 2100kgs, but the 3.2 Estate wouldn't come close... certainly far enough over to be shot at the roadside :-\
No such problems here with a max braked trailer weight of 3500kg and GTW of almost 6000Kg.. ;D
And it's the obligatory orange ;D
I believe the colour is Ford "Look at me! I have a tiny penis" Orange. :P
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A double bluff I reckon... a 'car' that size says that loudly enough already ;D
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Rated towing weight isn't legally binding. Gross train weight is. And I know from experience. I was towing a 1200kg bayliner boat (1500kg all in) with a Peugeot 405 saloon. 1200kg rated. Anyway I got pulled (inevitably) and put on a weighbridge. My gtw allowance was 2850kg, I weighed in a 2580kg. I knew I was within, and of course you drive to tree conditions before anyone has a go at me (im an HGV driver - I know the law and I appreciate he laws of physics, unlike some). Point is, if plod couldn't do me (and believe me they were trying) then it must be legal
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No such problems here with a max braked trailer weight of 3500kg and GTW of almost 6000Kg.. ;D
Fat bastid! :D ;D
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No such problems here with a max braked trailer weight of 3500kg and GTW of almost 6000Kg.. ;D
Gtw is not almost 6000kg. I suggest you look again how you're making your figures. The tow car governs the gtw. The trailer can be whatever Max gross you want. But your ACTUAL WEIGHT cannot exceed the gtw (physical weight of car, trailer and load) of the tow car, the car cannot weigh more than its gross weight, the trailer cannot exceed its gross weight, and no axle can be over its rated weight. To suggest a gross weight of 6 tonne is possible with a car and trailer is more than ambitious
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I think you'll find Aarons "car" is a 200bhp Ford Ranger double cab :y
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For the younger members, of course, it also depends on what your License allows.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driving-licence-rules-and-what-you-can-tow (https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driving-licence-rules-and-what-you-can-tow)
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I think you'll find Aarons "car" is a 200bhp Ford Ranger double cab :y
:y Yup, and figures were quoted from the manufacturers bumf.. There's max axle loads in there as well of course, and towing a 3500Kg trailer means I can no longer stick a tonne in the bed and be within the GTW (which I know has caught a few builders out!)..
For the younger members, of course, it also depends on what your License allows.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driving-licence-rules-and-what-you-can-tow (https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driving-licence-rules-and-what-you-can-tow)
Sometimes being over 35 pays off :y (Passed my test in '95 so I get the 8.25tonne MAM plus other categories younguns no longer get - if it weren't for the mandatory annual training requirements I'd be tempted to go and do my HGV just to round the license out.. ;D)
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If you're referring to the drivers CPC (aka money spinning rip off ) it's 5 yearly if it helps. And CPC isn't required for private use ie if you hired a wagon to move your personal stuff. Anything that's not for hire and reward
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That's the one.. I thought it was yearly for some reason - every 5 isn't so bad at all.. If I had my HGV I'd want to keep it up to date somehow though, it's always an alternative form of employment if the arse drops out of IT (again!)
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The "course" consists of 5 modules. Most drivers plan to do a module a year. That was it's 1 day / £80 lost rather than a bumf of a week (meaning bad weeks wage due to lost overtime / night out pay) with a cost of £400 to fork out