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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: The Sheriff on 03 February 2015, 19:03:23
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...the more it disgusts me. Just been watching the news report about the animal cruelty in a Thirsk abbatoir. Apart from showing the hateful behaviour of the slaughtermen, it talked about the practice of killing animals with a quick slit of the throat. No stunning of the unfortunate beast is allowed under the halal code. The fickin halal code? Wtf has killing an animal got to do with religion?
In a modern world where so many advances have been made, what place does a medieval practice such as religion hold? I am totally bemused by people who follow blindly, without question, something which is so obviously just....untrue.
We are a very stupid and gullible and, most of all, insecure race.
Sorry if I offend anyone, but religion offends me.
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Oh for God's sake, get a grip man! ::) ;D
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Oh for God's sake, get a grip man! ::) ;D
Which god? There are many of them, and each one is the only one.
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Its an utter piss take, poor old sheep seeing other sheep having there throats cut, ah but its OK for the scum that practice this shit watch whilst a captured journalist has his throat cut in front of thousands. >:( >:( >:(
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Its an utter piss take, poor old sheep seeing other sheep having there throats cut, ah but its OK for the scum that practice this shit watch whilst a captured journalist has his throat cut in front of thousands. >:( >:( >:(
That's nothing, they have just stuffed that Jordanian pilot in a cage and burnt the poor bastard alive >:( >:( >:(
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Its an utter piss take, poor old sheep seeing other sheep having there throats cut, ah but its OK for the scum that practice this shit watch whilst a captured journalist has his throat cut in front of thousands. >:( >:( >:(
I wasn't commenting on any particular religion, Steve, it's all crap to me. Although that particular brand of it does seem to bring out the very worst in people.
Jordanian pilot burned to death in a cage is their latest atrocity.
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I think they say a prayer before they cut the throat. :-\ Not quite the same as stunning the unfortunate creature though. ::)
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Its an utter piss take, poor old sheep seeing other sheep having there throats cut, ah but its OK for the scum that practice this shit watch whilst a captured journalist has his throat cut in front of thousands. >:( >:( >:(
That's nothing, they have just stuffed that Jordanian pilot in a cage and burnt the poor bastard alive >:( >:( >:(
Yes...that is something.
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I think they say a prayer before they cut the throat. :-\ Not quite the same as stunning the unfortunate creature though. ::)
A prayer? Why? What has killing an animal got to do with religion? Maybe only to prove what a load of rubbish it really is.
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I think they say a prayer before they cut the throat. :-\ Not quite the same as stunning the unfortunate creature though. ::)
A prayer? Why? What has killing an animal got to do with religion? Maybe only to prove what a load of rubbish it really is.
Dunno, maybe to help it along to the hereafter maybe. :-\ I expect they'd rather be knocked out quickly. ::)
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Their 'hereafter' consists of being eaten with mint sauce. Our 'hereafter' consists of being burned to ashes or eaten by worms.
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Their 'hereafter' consists of being eaten with mint sauce. Our 'hereafter' consists of being burned to ashes or eaten by worms.
In that case it'd definitely be a stun gun for me then! :y ...... and if I did find myself at the 'Pearly Gates' I'd just have to apologise and I'm sure whichever God was on duty at the time would be OK with that. :-\ They're supposed to be forgiving and merciful aren't they? ;) :y
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I saw that. I have always suspected that folk working in any abbatoir become inured to the daily killing and slip into uncaring or brutal ways.
I have butchered my own livestock and every single one wasn't easy. We culled 11 pheasants for the freezer and by the last one I had had enough. having said that, I still stand by everyone that eats meat ought to have killed and prepared one example themselves first e.g. a rabbit.
On the Halal subject , on a recent visit to the Uk I was very surprised at how much stuff in the supermarkets is Halal despite not having an obvious market (rural Scotland, Scarborough). Which governemnt minister let that through?
How would you rather die?
Stunned and butchered OR bled to death and butchered sentient.
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Their 'hereafter' consists of being eaten with mint sauce. Our 'hereafter' consists of being burned to ashes or eaten by worms.
In that case it'd definitely be a stun gun for me then! :y ...... and if I did find myself at the 'Pearly Gates' I'd just have to apologise and I'm sure whichever God was on duty at the time would be OK with that. :-\ They're supposed to be forgiving and merciful aren't they? ;) :y
Here's what Stephen Fry would say to whoever was minding the gates: http://time.com/3691225/stephen-fry-god/
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Their 'hereafter' consists of being eaten with mint sauce. Our 'hereafter' consists of being burned to ashes or eaten by worms.
In that case it'd definitely be a stun gun for me then! :y ...... and if I did find myself at the 'Pearly Gates' I'd just have to apologise and I'm sure whichever God was on duty at the time would be OK with that. :-\ They're supposed to be forgiving and merciful aren't they? ;) :y
Here's what Stephen Fry would say to whoever was minding the gates: http://time.com/3691225/stephen-fry-god/
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Their 'hereafter' consists of being eaten with mint sauce. Our 'hereafter' consists of being burned to ashes or eaten by worms.
In that case it'd definitely be a stun gun for me then! :y ...... and if I did find myself at the 'Pearly Gates' I'd just have to apologise and I'm sure whichever God was on duty at the time would be OK with that. :-\ They're supposed to be forgiving and merciful aren't they? ;) :y
Here's what Stephen Fry would say to whoever was minding the gates:http://time.com/3691225/stephen-fry-god/
Could not agree more
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Their 'hereafter' consists of being eaten with mint sauce. Our 'hereafter' consists of being burned to ashes or eaten by worms.
In that case it'd definitely be a stun gun for me then! :y ...... and if I did find myself at the 'Pearly Gates' I'd just have to apologise and I'm sure whichever God was on duty at the time would be OK with that. :-\ They're supposed to be forgiving and merciful aren't they? ;) :y
Here's what Stephen Fry would say to whoever was minding the gates: http://time.com/3691225/stephen-fry-god/
Good grief. And I thought I was ranting. Agree totally though, the whole concept is obscene and, before someone tells me about their 'faith', I sincerely believe it's fear, not faith. Not fear of dying forever, fear of not belonging.
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He did come over a little more 'ranty' than I expected, I'll admit..
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Oh for God's sake, get a grip man! ::) ;D
Which god? There are many of them, and each one is the only one.
Dave allen got it right...every show at the end he would say 'goodnight and may your god go with you'
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Oh for God's sake, get a grip man! ::) ;D
Which god? There are many of them, and each one is the only one.
Dave allen got it right...every show at the end he would say 'goodnight and may your god go with you'
Mostly as a way of infuriating people... bloke was a genius though :y
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Some might find this (http://9gag.com/gag/aLKgnKW?ref=fbp) useful. :y
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Oh for God's sake, get a grip man! ::) ;D
Which god? There are many of them, and each one is the only one.
Dave allen got it right...every show at the end he would say 'goodnight and may your god go with you'
Mostly as a way of infuriating people... bloke was a genius though :y
I know that and that was my point a tongue in cheek response ;D....he was a genius :y
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Sadly - without going all BNP/NF - if we allow en-masse a bunch of practices to go unchecked, for several decades, with literal millions of people who wish to do those practices then all of a sudden start saying "ooh, hang on - your religious practices are in conflict with ours, we're not keen. Can you stop, please?" well, sorry, but we have to, as it were, lump it. I'm in as much disagreement with religion and personally think Halal is sick, end of. I'm against it wholeheartedly. It's a mess that is difficult to clear up - because you're going to aggravate up to 16% of the voting public, and probably a vast number of lefty Middle class do-gooders, too ::)
As a whole with regards to religion I think the hate, and vicious xenophobia it brings fair outweighs the 'good' it alleges - as if those people who are 'good' are only 'good' because of religion and were it not for 'Religion' they would be out being cannibals and using stone tools. Really!?. Sorry, but being blackmailed into 'be good, or burn for eternity' it's not making you a good person, any more than me holding a gun to your head and saying 'say you believe in the Easter Bunny' - sure, you'll say anything, to avoid being shot - doesn't make you an actual believer in the Easter Bunny - you're just being threatened.
Not a discussion I was expecting on OOF, to be honest - but I'll stick my twopenneth in. Peace to all on this planet, and I'd respectfully ask the same peace back. Religion's just not for me :).
So.. um... anyone want to talk about EGR valves? MAF sensors? Rear donut bushes? :)
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So.. um... anyone want to talk about EGR valves? MAF sensors? Rear donut bushes? :)
You want Gen Car Chat over that way <<
This is the Internet Argument section ;) ;D
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So.. um... anyone want to talk about EGR valves? MAF sensors? Rear donut bushes? :)
You want Gen Car Chat over that way <<
This is the Internet Argument section ;) ;D
In a pythonesque John Cleese voice............ "No it isn't"
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The old ones are the best: http://www.montypython.net/scripts/argument.php
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:D ;D :D
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What has happened to this thread?
I paid for the full half hour argument
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What has happened to this thread?
I paid for the full half hour argument
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No you didn't!
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So.. um... anyone want to talk about EGR valves? MAF sensors? Rear donut bushes? :)
Bah! You can't have a proper argument about those.
Anyway, my summer tyres are loving this weather... (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/allrun.gif)
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The old ones are the best: http://www.montypython.net/scripts/argument.php
http://youtu.be/kQFKtI6gn9Y
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So.. um... anyone want to talk about EGR valves? MAF sensors? Rear donut bushes? :)
Bah! You can't have a proper argument about those.
Anyway, my summer tyres are loving this weather... (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/allrun.gif)
;D :D
What you need is all terrain tyres boyo :D
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So.. um... anyone want to talk about EGR valves? MAF sensors? Rear donut bushes? :)
Bah! You can't have a proper argument about those.
Anyway, my summer tyres are loving this weather... (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/allrun.gif)
;D :D
What you need is all terrain tyres boyo :D
No he dosn't! >:( ;D
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yes he does
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I'm with Stemo and Fry, not to mention Richard Dawkins. The amount of slaughter over the centuries that has occurred in the name of "religion" beggars belief. It is all a huge con, or as, was it Oscar, said, "the opiate of the masses." >:( >:( >:(
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The Human Individual is the worst Animal on Earth.
Allways out for there own Good.
from being Selfish, to Money and Goods, Water and Foot, Hate of others invading there Space, killing for having what others own.
Dont matter what the excuses are.
today is called Religion because everything else is not allowed to use because a Goverment said this is not nice.
Fact:
you never get all people together and everybody loves the other.
would be easier if Goverment stop making rules of wars, and decide for people who they have to like.
at least the cheap excuse of religion would be gone.
i can wait untill Humans starting this religion hunt again official like humans did in the past.
me personal - i don't care what religion people believe in, leave me alone with it, otherwise i give them some religion in there face.
i don't want to hear anything about it.
you can be muslim, jewish, budda, or whatever, do what you want, at home behind closed doors and don't tell me about it, and do not await from me to believe in it or accept yours.
Me,
i don't go to any church, or preach or even have a picture of any so called good.
never meet on so far.
my religion is myself, my family, my property, and what I believe is good for me.
anybody invading this with some ideas of any rules and regulations of a religion written in a book invades my personality and this makes a problem for them.
i don't really care what's written in an dusty old book by someone i never meet in flesh.
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I think you'll find that arguing over food/water/space is a natural condition of anything vegetable or animal rather than a human behaviour ::)
What separates us from the rest is opposing thumbs and all the baggage we attach to our lives... :y
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God exists and created us to live our lives in this one big test which is life, which will be followed by various plains of existence.
Humans invented organised, oppressive, dangerous, and enslaving religion for political gain. We are all very young children of the Universe and we will learn everything eventually.
The so called Jihadists are living out some form of basic, medieval , existence which has no basis in either 21st century Islam, Christianity, or secular life, and they are only living to kill and hate those who do not agree with them.
God forgive them as Hell will be their end. >:( >:(
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God exists and created us to live our lives in this one big test which is life, which will be followed by various plains of existence.
Humans invented organised, oppressive, dangerous, and enslaving religion for political gain. We are all very young children of the Universe and we will learn everything eventually.
The so called Jihadists are living out some form of basic, medieval , existence which has no basis in either 21st century Islam, Christianity, or secular life, and they are only living to kill and hate those who do not agree with them.
God forgive them as Hell will be their end. >:( >:(
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry Lizzie, it's the way you tell 'em.
Religion is supposed to be religion and the fact that you say '21st century religion' just proves to me how people twist it to suit themselves.
Homosexuality is not allowed from what I understand the bible to say. But, hey, it's the 21st century, we can ignore that. And lots of other things too, or else we won't have any sort of congregation at all. That would never do, the church could go skint. So lets just pick the bits we like and ignore the bits we don't. After all its all down to interpretation, isn't it?.
No. It's all bollix, actually.
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Oh for God's sake, get a grip man! ::) ;D
Which god? There are many of them, and each one is the only one.
I don't mind there being multiple gods, its the brand wars and my turf battles that I hate. The worst two religions for this are the Islamic and Christian religions. In comparison most other religions are reasonably benign.
If you really want to know scientifically where we come from watch this video:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114940823487&video_source=pages_finch_main_video (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114940823487&video_source=pages_finch_main_video)
So there is only one god, our creator, and human scientists have named him 'big bang' where it brought the universe and through multiple star cycles, creating the higher chemical elements, eventually us into existence.
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God exists and created us to live our lives in this one big test which is life, which will be followed by various plains of existence.
Humans invented organised, oppressive, dangerous, and enslaving religion for political gain. We are all very young children of the Universe and we will learn everything eventually.
The so called Jihadists are living out some form of basic, medieval , existence which has no basis in either 21st century Islam, Christianity, or secular life, and they are only living to kill and hate those who do not agree with them.
God forgive them as Hell will be their end. >:( >:(
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry Lizzie, it's the way you tell 'em.
Religion is supposed to be religion and the fact that you say '21st century religion' just proves to me how people twist it to suit themselves.
Homosexuality is not allowed from what I understand the bible to say. But, hey, it's the 21st century, we can ignore that. And lots of other things too, or else we won't have any sort of congregation at all. That would never do, the church could go skint. So lets just pick the bits we like and ignore the bits we don't. After all its all down to interpretation, isn't it?.
No. It's all bollix, actually.
No. What I said was "has no basis in either 21st century Islam, Christianity, or secular life"; in others words whether you are religious or not it is the 21st century has no room for medieval style Jihadists. Steve, you missed that one didn't you!
Also "It's all bollix" is your opinion, which you are perfectly entitled to, but you are wrong when it comes to the existence of God and the afterlife. Organised religion as such may be misguided in the way it is conducted, and it has committed grave crimes in history, but billions believe in it and so be it!I may not go along with that method of worship, but I respect those that do. Only those who follow attitudes of 500 years ago would deny their right to do so.
Joke as much as you like, but we will all die; what happens then is your personal belief, but do not mock those like me who believe in "going on".
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Oh for God's sake, get a grip man! ::) ;D
Which god? There are many of them, and each one is the only one.
I don't mind there being multiple gods, its the brand wars and my turf battles that I hate. The worst two religions for this are the Islamic and Christian religions. In comparison most other religions are reasonably benign.
If you really want to know scientifically where we come from watch this video:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114940823487&video_source=pages_finch_main_video (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114940823487&video_source=pages_finch_main_video)
So there is only one god, our creator, and human scientists have named him 'big bang' where it brought the universe and through multiple star cycles, creating the higher chemical elements, eventually us into existence.
Yes, and even Albert Einstein believed most firmly in God the creator. :y
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God exists and created us to live our lives in this one big test which is life, which will be followed by various plains of existence.
Humans invented organised, oppressive, dangerous, and enslaving religion for political gain. We are all very young children of the Universe and we will learn everything eventually.
The so called Jihadists are living out some form of basic, medieval , existence which has no basis in either 21st century Islam, Christianity, or secular life, and they are only living to kill and hate those who do not agree with them.
God forgive them as Hell will be their end. >:( >:(
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry Lizzie, it's the way you tell 'em.
Religion is supposed to be religion and the fact that you say '21st century religion' just proves to me how people twist it to suit themselves.
Homosexuality is not allowed from what I understand the bible to say. But, hey, it's the 21st century, we can ignore that. And lots of other things too, or else we won't have any sort of congregation at all. That would never do, the church could go skint. So lets just pick the bits we like and ignore the bits we don't. After all its all down to interpretation, isn't it?.
No. It's all bollix, actually.
No. What I said was "has no basis in either 21st century Islam, Christianity, or secular life"; in others words whether you are religious or not it is the 21st century has no room for medieval style Jihadists. Steve, you missed that one didn't you!
Also "It's all bollix" is your opinion, which you are perfectly entitled to, but you are wrong when it comes to the existence of God and the afterlife. Organised religion as such may be misguided in the way it is conducted, and it has committed grave crimes in history, but billions believe in it and so be it!I may not go along with that method of worship, but I respect those that do. Only those who follow attitudes of 500 years ago would deny their right to do so.
Joke as much as you like, but we will all die; what happens then is your personal belief, but do not mock those like me who believe in "going on".
Oh yes, you go on alright ;D
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God exists and created us to live our lives in this one big test which is life, which will be followed by various plains of existence.
Humans invented organised, oppressive, dangerous, and enslaving religion for political gain. We are all very young children of the Universe and we will learn everything eventually.
The so called Jihadists are living out some form of basic, medieval , existence which has no basis in either 21st century Islam, Christianity, or secular life, and they are only living to kill and hate those who do not agree with them.
God forgive them as Hell will be their end. >:( >:(
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry Lizzie, it's the way you tell 'em.
Religion is supposed to be religion and the fact that you say '21st century religion' just proves to me how people twist it to suit themselves.
Homosexuality is not allowed from what I understand the bible to say. But, hey, it's the 21st century, we can ignore that. And lots of other things too, or else we won't have any sort of congregation at all. That would never do, the church could go skint. So lets just pick the bits we like and ignore the bits we don't. After all its all down to interpretation, isn't it?.
No. It's all bollix, actually.
No. What I said was "has no basis in either 21st century Islam, Christianity, or secular life"; in others words whether you are religious or not it is the 21st century has no room for medieval style Jihadists. Steve, you missed that one didn't you!
Also "It's all bollix" is your opinion, which you are perfectly entitled to, but you are wrong when it comes to the existence of God and the afterlife. Organised religion as such may be misguided in the way it is conducted, and it has committed grave crimes in history, but billions believe in it and so be it!I may not go along with that method of worship, but I respect those that do. Only those who follow attitudes of 500 years ago would deny their right to do so.
Joke as much as you like, but we will all die; what happens then is your personal belief, but do not mock those like me who believe in "going on".
Good luck on that one Lizzie, but I'm afraid it is whistling in the dark. :y
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One can either believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, or the Bible's Garden of Eden fairy tale, but not both. :y
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Oh for God's sake, get a grip man! ::) ;D
Which god? There are many of them, and each one is the only one.
I don't mind there being multiple gods, its the brand wars and my turf battles that I hate. The worst two religions for this are the Islamic and Christian religions. In comparison most other religions are reasonably benign.
If you really want to know scientifically where we come from watch this video:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114940823487&video_source=pages_finch_main_video (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114940823487&video_source=pages_finch_main_video)
So there is only one god, our creator, and human scientists have named him 'big bang' where it brought the universe and through multiple star cycles, creating the higher chemical elements, eventually us into existence.
Yes, and even Albert Einstein believed most firmly in God the creator. :y
And one of our greatest living mathematicians / scientists Stephen Hawkins doesn't, your point? So if a well know name, a celeb, says or believes something it must be true? ehh, why? (At least it explains why all these over priced makeup, elothes ranges etc, etc are bought by gullible women). And if it is old it must be true which is another popular religious argument? ehh, why, what about people have been wrong for along time and now we know better? The Christian religion is frozen to about 2000 years a go which means more recent knowledge and understanding like the evolution of the living things on earth, isn't actually in it! 2000 years of increasing knowledge is a bugger, when you are trying to present a 2000 year old story as the absolute truth, written for profit of course. As all religions have one thing in common: Cross the priest's, shaman's, Imam's etc, etc palm with gold and that brand's 'special words' will save your soul and guarantee his brands version of nirvana, no gold of course and you damned to that particular brand's version of fire and damnation. All successful religions are very rich, and the senior ranks live very comfortable lives, don't forget, all those believers, keep those donations flowing, the higher ranks have living standards to uphold.
How do you know he is not god the destructor? As each evolution requires the destruction of one thing to create another, of course, because that is what we humans have designated it will be called.
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Makes you wonder what the consequences would be if ( it would never happen unfortunately) it was illegal to teach religion to children before they reached 11years old for eg? Because by then children have an opinion and are able to ask questions and reason and doubt... A child of 5 knows nothing about the world other than what an adult tells them and will believe every word hence believing in father Christmas and the tooth fairy.... The bible is the biggest lie told and and to threaten an existence in hell if they don't conform to what's written I the bible is child abuse.... There is no place in the 21st century for the church.
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I dont believe in any religion , never believed in god either from as long as i can remember . So much suffering and cruel illnesses like when my sister died aged 49 ... there is no holy human being and never was that would make mankind suffer in such terrible ways .
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There should be a "like" button in like Facebook... Ive read so many good responses on this topic I need to click and like them all.....
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Oh for God's sake, get a grip man! ::) ;D
Which god? There are many of them, and each one is the only one.
I don't mind there being multiple gods, its the brand wars and my turf battles that I hate. The worst two religions for this are the Islamic and Christian religions. In comparison most other religions are reasonably benign.
If you really want to know scientifically where we come from watch this video:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114940823487&video_source=pages_finch_main_video (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114940823487&video_source=pages_finch_main_video)
So there is only one god, our creator, and human scientists have named him 'big bang' where it brought the universe and through multiple star cycles, creating the higher chemical elements, eventually us into existence.
Yes, and even Albert Einstein believed most firmly in God the creator. :y
And one of our greatest living mathematicians / scientists Stephen Hawkins doesn't, your point? So if a well know name, a celeb, says or believes something it must be true? ehh, why? (At least it explains why all these over priced makeup, elothes ranges etc, etc are bought by gullible women). And if it is old it must be true which is another popular religious argument? ehh, why, what about people have been wrong for along time and now we know better? The Christian religion is frozen to about 2000 years a go which means more recent knowledge and understanding like the evolution of the living things on earth, isn't actually in it! 2000 years of increasing knowledge is a bugger, when you are trying to present a 2000 year old story as the absolute truth, written for profit of course. As all religions have one thing in common: Cross the priest's, shaman's, Imam's etc, etc palm with gold and that brand's 'special words' will save your soul and guarantee his brands version of nirvana, no gold of course and you damned to that particular brand's version of fire and damnation. All successful religions are very rich, and the senior ranks live very comfortable lives, don't forget, all those believers, keep those donations flowing, the higher ranks have living standards to uphold.
How do you know he is not god the destructor? As each evolution requires the destruction of one thing to create another, of course, because that is what we humans have designated it will be called.
Rods2 either you have faith and believe due to knowledge and personal experiences or not. That is up to you. Whether you believe in organised religion ("church") or not as I do not, but believe in God, or a combination of both, also up to you.
But do not mock and belittle those that do. Do not fool yourself that you are a better person for thinking that you know better and can state a belief that started 2000 years ago cannot be still valid. Does not the fact that Christianity has lasted 2000 years with a firm understanding of the words of Jesus, that make absolute sense to anyone who cares for humanity, not tell you something? Just because you have not been blessed by certain events and experiences does not mean it is untrue.
As for scientist believing or not means nothing; as I repeatedly state mankind is a mere infant in this universe and so far knows nothing. To bring it nearer to home though I have had experiences that have no known scientific explanation, as they were, like tens of thousands have found, not of our normal understanding of this world; they cross the very boundaries of life and death with an afterlife being very evident.
So do not belittle; by for example suggesting that women buy expensive cosmetics in some false belief and this helps explain our belief in a loving, creative God. Life has evolved over the last 2000 years, but the underlying truth of what Jesus preached still holds good. Man has only to fully adhere to his words, not the writing of men who were vying for political power centuries later.
I stand by my beliefs till death and thereafter; but you obviously will not be able to take your beliefs forward! Your belief is that you will die and that is it. I find that very sad.
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Even more sadder still is that countless thousands if people world wide will die because of religion... People can believe in whatever they wish and I have no problem with that but its all down to evidence .. Show evidence of the existence if god?? I won't hold my breath though.
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I for one am not trying to beliitle anyone, Lizzie. I genuinely feel sorry that so many people believe absolutely in such an absurdity. So much time wasted on something that just cannot be true. As I said in a previous post, the genius of it is that it can never be proved nor disproved, so it is pointless even trying to debate. I think as mankind progresses, the evil bastards who use it to try to subjugate others (as has been happening for centuries) will have to be eliminated once and for all. Then the 'others' will diminsh in number (as is happening across the civilised world) and maybe, just maybe, we will be rid of it for good.
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I dont believe in any religion , never believed in god either from as long as i can remember . So much suffering and cruel illnesses like when my sister died aged 49 ... there is no holy human being and never was that would make mankind suffer in such terrible ways .
No Emd, instead there is a loving God who allows us to live in the way we feel fit after he gives us life, but we sometimes have to suffer pain before we ascend to a life away from the misery, cruelty, and pure hate that his children have decided to inflict on others. God gives and taketh life but after all pain is washed away and everlasting existence is the future for those who attempt to lead a relatively good life. You Emd have obviously not had the experience those close to me have had, which has been documented by others as well, of the very recently departed making it be known that they are fine and are now passing on. Indeed a form of what Jesus did after his crucifixion 2000 years previously!
I sincere pray that you can find peace and some understanding of your painful loss which, I know, takes some time to do :y
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I dont believe in any religion , never believed in god either from as long as i can remember . So much suffering and cruel illnesses like when my sister died aged 49 ... there is no holy human being and never was that would make mankind suffer in such terrible ways .
No Emd, instead there is a loving God who allows us to live in the way we feel fit after he gives us life, but we sometimes have to suffer pain before we ascend to a life away from the misery, cruelty, and pure hate that his children have decided to inflict on others. God gives and taketh life but after all pain is washed away and everlasting existence is the future for those who attempt to lead a relatively good life. You Emd have obviously not had the experience those close to me have had, which has been documented by others as well, of the very recently departed making it be known that they are fine and are now passing on. Indeed a form of what Jesus did after his crucifixion 2000 years previously!
I sincere pray that you can find peace and some understanding of your painful loss which, I know, takes some time to do :y
Oh, good grief. I rest my case.
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Hahaha
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I for one am not trying to beliitle anyone, Lizzie. I genuinely feel sorry that so many people believe absolutely in such an absurdity. So much time wasted on something that just cannot be true. As I said in a previous post, the genius of it is that it can never be proved nor disproved, so it is pointless even trying to debate. I think as mankind progresses, the evil bastards who use it to try to subjugate others (as has been happening for centuries) will have to be eliminated once and for all. Then the 'others' will diminsh in number (as is happening across the civilised world) and maybe, just maybe, we will be rid of it for good.
....and I feel very sad for those who cannot believe in something that has been proved for many of us fortunate enough who can only add to a faith that should not need human proof. :y
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You have no proof..
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What would you say to someone who believed in leprechauns?
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I for one am not trying to beliitle anyone, Lizzie. I genuinely feel sorry that so many people believe absolutely in such an absurdity. So much time wasted on something that just cannot be true. As I said in a previous post, the genius of it is that it can never be proved nor disproved, so it is pointless even trying to debate. I think as mankind progresses, the evil bastards who use it to try to subjugate others (as has been happening for centuries) will have to be eliminated once and for all. Then the 'others' will diminsh in number (as is happening across the civilised world) and maybe, just maybe, we will be rid of it for good.
....and I feel very sad for those who cannot believe in something that has been proved for many of us fortunate enough who can only add to a faith that should not need human proof. :y
That's right. We shouldn't need any proof. We should all follow blindly and unquestioningly, a bit like sheep. :y
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What would you say to someone who believed in leprechauns?
Top o the mornin to ya ;D
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STMO... I like you :)
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I dont believe in any religion , never believed in god either from as long as i can remember . So much suffering and cruel illnesses like when my sister died aged 49 ... there is no holy human being and never was that would make mankind suffer in such terrible ways .
:y :y Could not agree more, My immediate family consisted of Dad died 1977 age 42, i was 15. Sister died 1994 age 31. Mother died 2000. All died from the shite that is Cancer. Thanks God you really no how to treat people. My arse.
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What would you say to someone who believed in leprechauns?
F@@king Egit. ;D ;D
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And as I pointed out to a religious work colleague" if you keeled over with massive chest pains what should I do? Pray for you or call for an ambulance?" As only one option is going to save your life..
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..... but you are wrong when it comes to the existence of God and the afterlife. ....
in your opinion ....... ;)
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Come on Lizzie, Darwin or the Garden of Eden? Which do you believe? ???
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Lizzie,
Sorry, I not mocking or disrespecting you, you believe what you like, but if you use irrational arguments to justify your beliefs, my questioning mind, will highlight that irrationality, which is exactly what I did in my previous reply.
From personal experience one of the fundamental flaws of Christianity is that a person, can be the most vile scum on Earth last week and repent their sins on Sunday, so all is forgiven in their and their God's eyes and and they are convinced they've made another down-payment on their first class ticket to heaven and then be the most vile scum again the next week, repeating the cycle, ad infinitum.
Not one of the Bible's, Catholic church's and the Christian religion's finest hours, where the Bible didn't agree with Galileo's and others newly discovered facts?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair)
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..... but you are wrong when it comes to the existence of God and the afterlife. ....
in your opinion ....... ;)
Exactly :y
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I have said all I personally need to on this subject which, like politics, will draw many varying levels of reply. I will now only add my final piece:
What you all believe is up to you, but I know what I believe for many good reasons, and my reasons are no more illogical or irrational from any other, and with my many, many, experiences including one, shared with my mother at the same time, of feeling absolute evil from an unworldly source that is not explainable. Irrational? No, it falls within the belief of the Holy Trinity and the forces of the devil. Medieval nonsense? No, as they ARE very much alive to us in the 21st century, if you are prepared to open up your eyes and hearts to real Christian, or other, faiths.
But take this argument from a different viewpoint for a moment. Let's remove God, Christianity, and all other faiths from the equation. Let's have a world without a moral compass, where there is no understanding of right or wrong, good or evil. A world where almost everyone believes this life is our only chance for enjoying all around us (The Garden of Eden moment; and no, this is pure symbolism as most of the Old Testament is and Darwin was right but in man's timescale, not God's "7 Days" which to God is billions of years) and so go for it. As we will not suffer from anything we do, but instead will enjoy all pleasures available, by stealing, cheating, murdering, et all, why not? We will end up dead anyway so let's make the most of what we have now, now, now!
The world, as I stated, has no moral compass, no understanding, or least a will to live with a right or wrong lifestyle. Anarchy will rule, everyone out for themselves.................................hang on, this all sounds growingly familiar. But now the breaking of a wing mirror, keying of your car, the beating up and rape of an 82 year old neighbour becomes common place. But God does not exist; the morality contained within the current faiths does not apply, and we will all die a final., unending death were blackness as our future, so who cares?
So, believe what you like but think hard about a society where God does not extend that inner love; a feeling of good or evil and a promise of everlasting life, as he does not exist.
Is this what you want for the future?
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I have said all I personally need to on this subject which, like politics, will draw many varying levels of reply. I will now only add my final piece:
What you all believe is up to you, but I know what I believe for many good reasons, and my reasons are no more illogical or irrational from any other, and with my many, many, experiences including one, shared with my mother at the same time, of feeling absolute evil from an unworldly source that is not explainable. Irrational? No, it falls within the belief of the Holy Trinity and the forces of the devil. Medieval nonsense? No, as they ARE very much alive to us in the 21st century, if you are prepared to open up your eyes and hearts to real Christian, or other, faiths.
But take this argument from a different viewpoint for a moment. Let's remove God, Christianity, and all other faiths from the equation. Let's have a world without a moral compass, where there is no understanding of right or wrong, good or evil. A world where almost everyone believes this life is our only chance for enjoying all around us (The Garden of Eden moment; and no, this is pure symbolism as most of the Old Testament is and Darwin was right but in man's timescale, not God's "7 Days" which to God is billions of years) and so go for it. As we will not suffer from anything we do, but instead will enjoy all pleasures available, by stealing, cheating, murdering, et all, why not? We will end up dead anyway so let's make the most of what we have now, now, now!
The world, as I stated, has no moral compass, no understanding, or least a will to live with a right or wrong lifestyle. Anarchy will rule, everyone out for themselves.................................hang on, this all sounds growingly familiar. But now the breaking of a wing mirror, keying of your car, the beating up and rape of an 82 year old neighbour becomes common place. But God does not exist; the morality contained within the current faiths does not apply, and we will all die a final., unending death were blackness as our future, so who cares?
So, believe what you like but think hard about a society where God does not extend that inner love; a feeling of good or evil and a promise of everlasting life, as he does not exist.
Is this what you want for the future?
Lizzie, we can remove God from the equation and still have a moral compass. We do not need God to know right from wrong.
Sorry.....but I'm with Richard Dawkins on this one. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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That was a long piece to put forward a view which has no basis whatsoever. A persons moral compass exists within and has no bearing on whether they are religious or not. There are good and bad religious people and there are good and bad irreligious people.
"The world, as I stated has no moral compass." As you stated? Do me a favour ;D
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As I stated once in a previous thread....each to his own. :y
But ...and this is just my own opinion.....animals have existed long before man. They have evolved without religion. The majority, are like humans, gregarious. They have a developed a social order, and in the 'pack' they know what is 'right and wrong'. They know who is leader/boss. Those who stray are 'reprimanded'
I believe that we, with our highly developed and evolved brain, irrespective of any 'god', have sorted our 'pack' order, and have instigated rules as part and parcel of our evolution to normal life as we know it today :y.
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As I stated once in a previous thread....each to his own. :y
But ...and this is just my own opinion.....animals have existed long before man. They have evolved without religion. The majority, are like humans, gregarious. They have a developed a social order, and in the 'pack' they know what is 'right and wrong'. They know who is leader/boss. Those who stray are 'reprimanded'
I believe that we, with our highly developed and evolved brain, irrespective of any 'god', have sorted our 'pack' order, and have instigated rules as part and parcel of our evolution to normal life as we know it today :y.
As did we, and that is exactly my point. Why should (any) god exist for human animals as opposed to, say, dogs or ants? Sorry, it just doesn't work for me. ???
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Ok. I get it.
God is attacked and insulted, then so is my Christian beliefs when I defend God. No one else is prepared to it seems on this Forum so , yet again, but finally, I have decided I do not belong here. My principles are firm on this.
Goodbye to you all and, as I bear no malice, God bless you in whatever you choose for your future.
Love. Lizzie xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Something I said? :-\
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Ok. I get it.
God is attacked and insulted, then so is my Christian beliefs when I defend God. No one else is prepared to it seems on this Forum so , yet again, but finally, I have decided I do not belong here. My principles are firm on this.
Goodbye to you all and, as I bear no malice, God bless you in whatever you choose for your future.
Love. Lizzie xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I don't think anyone is 'attacking' your beliefs, just vigorously arguing against the existence of God. I believe you are perfectly entitled to defend your position, indeed I envy your unquestioning faith, as it clearly gives you much comfort. Unfortunately I, and many others, don't share that belief, and you have not offered any hard evidence to convince us.
I am very sorry that this should drive you from the forum, surely one of the fundamentals of the Christian Faith is forgiveness, which you should be able to embrace. :y
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Ok. I get it.
God is attacked and insulted, then so is my Christian beliefs when I defend God. No one else is prepared to it seems on this Forum so , yet again, but finally, I have decided I do not belong here. My principles are firm on this.
Goodbye to you all and, as I bear no malice, God bless you in whatever you choose for your future.
Love. Lizzie xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I don't think anyone is 'attacking' your beliefs, just vigorously arguing against the existence of God. I believe you are perfectly entitled to defend your position, indeed I envy your unquestioning faith, as it clearly gives you much comfort. Unfortunately I, and many others, don't share that belief, and you have not offered any hard evidence to convince us.
I am very sorry that this should drive you from the forum, surely one of the fundamentals of the Christian Faith is forgiveness, which you should be able to embrace. :y
I agree. I don't think anyone attacked Lizzie personally, although I did take umbrage at being told I had no moral compass. I started this thread because I was outraged at the thought of animals being slaughtered inhumanely in the name of religion, I cannot/will not take responsibility for those who took that as an attack on their beliefs.
Rigorous defence of an opinion, Lizzie, attracts rigorous attack, and, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
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Ok. I get it.
God is attacked and insulted, then so is my Christian beliefs when I defend God. No one else is prepared to it seems on this Forum so , yet again, but finally, I have decided I do not belong here. My principles are firm on this.
Goodbye to you all and, as I bear no malice, God bless you in whatever you choose for your future.
Love. Lizzie xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
:'(
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Ok. I get it.
God is attacked and insulted, then so is my Christian beliefs when I defend God. No one else is prepared to it seems on this Forum so , yet again, but finally, I have decided I do not belong here. My principles are firm on this.
Goodbye to you all and, as I bear no malice, God bless you in whatever you choose for your future.
Love. Lizzie xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I don't think anyone is 'attacking' your beliefs, just vigorously arguing against the existence of God. I believe you are perfectly entitled to defend your position, indeed I envy your unquestioning faith, as it clearly gives you much comfort. Unfortunately I, and many others, don't share that belief, and you have not offered any hard evidence to convince us.
I am very sorry that this should drive you from the forum, surely one of the fundamentals of the Christian Faith is forgiveness, which you should be able to embrace. :y
I agree. I don't think anyone attacked Lizzie personally, although I did take umbrage at being told I had no moral compass. I started this thread because I was outraged at the thought of animals being slaughtered inhumanely in the name of religion, I cannot/will not take responsibility for those who took that as an attack on their beliefs.
Rigorous defence of an opinion, Lizzie, attracts rigorous attack, and, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
No I don't think anyone attacked lizzie personally either re reading this thread. I think it just that no one agreed with her point of view and she had a massive toy throwing sessions :y
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Ok. I get it.
God is attacked and insulted, then so is my Christian beliefs when I defend God. No one else is prepared to it seems on this Forum so , yet again, but finally, I have decided I do not belong here. My principles are firm on this.
Goodbye to you all and, as I bear no malice, God bless you in whatever you choose for your future.
Love. Lizzie xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I don't think anyone is 'attacking' your beliefs, just vigorously arguing against the existence of God. I believe you are perfectly entitled to defend your position, indeed I envy your unquestioning faith, as it clearly gives you much comfort. Unfortunately I, and many others, don't share that belief, and you have not offered any hard evidence to convince us.
I am very sorry that this should drive you from the forum, surely one of the fundamentals of the Christian Faith is forgiveness, which you should be able to embrace. :y
Sadly, as you so eloquently said earlier...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyhGtKAkNTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I have said all I personally need to on this subject which, like politics, will draw many varying levels of reply. I will now only add my final piece:
What you all believe is up to you, but I know what I believe for many good reasons, and my reasons are no more illogical or irrational from any other, and with my many, many, experiences including one, shared with my mother at the same time, of feeling absolute evil from an unworldly source that is not explainable. Irrational? No, it falls within the belief of the Holy Trinity and the forces of the devil. Medieval nonsense? No, as they ARE very much alive to us in the 21st century, if you are prepared to open up your eyes and hearts to real Christian, or other, faiths.
But take this argument from a different viewpoint for a moment. Let's remove God, Christianity, and all other faiths from the equation. Let's have a world without a moral compass, where there is no understanding of right or wrong, good or evil. A world where almost everyone believes this life is our only chance for enjoying all around us (The Garden of Eden moment; and no, this is pure symbolism as most of the Old Testament is and Darwin was right but in man's timescale, not God's "7 Days" which to God is billions of years) and so go for it. As we will not suffer from anything we do, but instead will enjoy all pleasures available, by stealing, cheating, murdering, et all, why not? We will end up dead anyway so let's make the most of what we have now, now, now!
The world, as I stated, has no moral compass, no understanding, or least a will to live with a right or wrong lifestyle. Anarchy will rule, everyone out for themselves.................................hang on, this all sounds growingly familiar. But now the breaking of a wing mirror, keying of your car, the beating up and rape of an 82 year old neighbour becomes common place. But God does not exist; the morality contained within the current faiths does not apply, and we will all die a final., unending death were blackness as our future, so who cares?
So, believe what you like but think hard about a society where God does not extend that inner love; a feeling of good or evil and a promise of everlasting life, as he does not exist.
Is this what you want for the future?
Not another one..................... ::) ::) ::) :(
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Not looked in on this thread for however many days and really saddened to see the upset it has caused :(
I suppose any thread debating the existence of God, or the way that people use the idea of a deity was never going to end well. Disagreement and upset were always going to follow. I wilfully apologise for any part my comments attributed, but add that just like the Python Boys found with Life of Brian that it is the idea of following ideals/rules without reasoning, or evidence to back those ideals/rules up that I and others take exception to, not religion per se.
Sincerely, If you wish to believe in anything, that is your right, and no matter the Faith, I would gladly defend that right. I think it safe to say all on here have issue with the extremity and passion that those beliefs can be fought, and how a 'culture' or 'tradition' can do things to 'lesser' beings in the name of that said religion. I think because Science is in the Head, and Religion is in the Heart, that any Theological debate suddenly becomes personal to those of Faith, more so than those from the Agnostic/Atheistic viewpoint. It's hard to imagine such a debate occurring about something you choose with your Head - like a gas supplier; whereupon a friend then insists your gas supplier is incorrect, and theirs is in fact the one true supplier of utilities.
I hope all can go in peace, and know that no personal upset was intended, it's a debate aimed at a system where misinterpretation and corruption of the words of others is open, not aimed at a specific Faith, and certainly not a specific follower any one particular Faith. :(
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The right to believe is not a right to impose...
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Alright you devil dodging heathens, who threw that stone ................ ::) ;D
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Twas not I...
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Twas not I...for a change ;D ;D
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;D ;D
Don't worry, she will be back in a couple of years claiming that it was all a big mistake / conspiracy ::)
Might open a book on what her post count will be when she comes back ................ :-X :-X
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;D ;D
Don't worry, she will be back in a couple of years claiming that it was all a big mistake / conspiracy ::)
Might open a book on what her post count will be when she comes back ................ :-X :-X
Er, zero ::)
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Not wanting to throw a spanner in the works but hey... Let's just lob a grenade and run! ::)
Most of these "barbaric" faiths, for want of a better word, are now a similar age to that of Christianity during the Crusades... Just sayin' :-X ::)
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Is that bloody Stmo causing trouble again?
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I think the person having the biggest laugh is the person who originally wrote the bible,he must be very very very rich ;D ;D
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I think the person having the biggest laugh is the person who originally wrote the bible,he must be very very very rich ;D ;D
Yes I wonder who gets the royalties these days? :-\ ::)
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I think the person having the biggest laugh is the person who originally wrote the bible,he must be very very very rich ;D ;D
many moons ago in junior school I wrote enid blyton down the spines of all the bibles in our class,if I had been found out GOD knows what would of happened ;D
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Just read all these posts, my own view is we know what is right or wrong so we have a choice.As for religion it causes too many problems & I personally think it is all utter nonsense .
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I think the person having the biggest laugh is the person who originally wrote the bible,he must be very very very rich ;D ;D
many moons ago in junior school I wrote enid blyton down the spines of all the bibles in our class,if I had been found out GOD knows what would of happened ;D
You're lucky you didn't get struck down! ;D
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Very interesting thread,
A fact the the whole world relies on is the date system BC and AD, is this not besed on Christ himself?
One can either believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, or the Bible's Garden of Eden fairy tale, but not both. (yes it's a theory, so I believe that not to be a fact either)
I for one am not trying to beliitle anyone, Lizzie. I genuinely feel sorry that so many people believe absolutely in such an absurdity Maybe Lizzie thinks that you saying that anyone thay absoloutly believes is obsurd.
I allways thought the OOF policy was not to allow posts on religeon and politics for this very reason. ::)
Going back to sleep now. :-X
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Very interesting thread,
A fact the the whole world relies on is the date system BC and AD, is this not besed on Christ himself?
One can either believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, or the Bible's Garden of Eden fairy tale, but not both. (yes it's a theory, so I believe that not to be a fact either)
I for one am not trying to beliitle anyone, Lizzie. I genuinely feel sorry that so many people believe absolutely in such an absurdity Maybe Lizzie thinks that you saying that anyone thay absoloutly believes is obsurd.
I allways thought the OOF policy was not to allow posts on religeon and politics for this very reason. ::)
Going back to sleep now. :-X
Sweet dreams...
NWS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ2M6iv3rDU&feature=youtube_gdata_player) :-*
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Not wanting to throw a spanner in the works but hey... Let's just lob a grenade and run! ::)
Most of these "barbaric" faiths, for want of a better word, are now a similar age to that of Christianity during the Crusades... Just sayin' :-X ::)
IMHO, there is nothing wrong with faith, and in believing. I'm not aware of many/any mainstream recognised faiths preaching anything other than love, peace and tolerance.
The problem come from power crazed humans, using faith, and more importantly its followers, to increase their power and wealth.
AFAICT, Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the same god, its just Juddism doesn't recognised Christ and neither Juddism or Christianity recognised Mohammed. There is more in common and not. Most other religions have Pagonistic tendencies of many gods for different things.
I suspect the brainwashed unwashed of IS would love nothing better than for a full scale war, which their leaders would say was in the name of their gods/prophets, but in reality is just a selfish desire for more power (and wealth). Dying as Martyrs will only encourage those of weaker capacity but firm religious beliefs to sign up.
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I think the person having the biggest laugh is the person who originally wrote the bible,he must be very very very rich ;D ;D
Emperor Constantine I believe. The pagan turned Christian just before he died.
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Very interesting thread,
A fact the the whole world relies on is the date system BC and AD, is this not besed on Christ himself?
One can either believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, or the Bible's Garden of Eden fairy tale, but not both. (yes it's a theory, so I believe that not to be a fact either)
I for one am not trying to beliitle anyone, Lizzie. I genuinely feel sorry that so many people believe absolutely in such an absurdity Maybe Lizzie thinks that you saying that anyone thay absoloutly believes is obsurd.
I allways thought the OOF policy was not to allow posts on religeon and politics for this very reason. ::)
Going back to sleep now. :-X
Sweet dreams...
NWS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ2M6iv3rDU&feature=youtube_gdata_player) :-*
Thats not fair, I cant get to sleep now. :o :o ::)
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Not wanting to throw a spanner in the works but hey... Let's just lob a grenade and run! ::)
Most of these "barbaric" faiths, for want of a better word, are now a similar age to that of Christianity during the Crusades... Just sayin' :-X ::)
IMHO, there is nothing wrong with faith, and in believing. I'm not aware of many/any mainstream recognised faiths preaching anything other than love, peace and tolerance.
The problem come from power crazed humans, using faith, and more importantly its followers, to increase their power and wealth.
AFAICT, Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the same god, its just Juddism doesn't recognised Christ and neither Juddism or Christianity recognised Mohammed. There is more in common and not. Most other religions have Pagonistic tendencies of many gods for different things.
I suspect the brainwashed unwashed of IS would love nothing better than for a full scale war, which their leaders would say was in the name of their gods/prophets, but in reality is just a selfish desire for more power (and wealth). Dying as Martyrs will only encourage those of weaker capacity but firm religious beliefs to sign up.
ok they want to be martyr ?
no problem.
build a wall, stand them in front and fill them with bullets in the name of there desire.
job done. a one day talk about it, some peeps have a party about it and no problems - no talks - no time wasting debates. all good again.
hows that?
i personally didn't meet any god untill now, and what's written down is speculations unless proof is given in pictures and by witnesses.
which is unlikely.
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I feel like I'm stirring, now, but.. I saw this article (yes, I know, it's the DM) and was reminded of this thread:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2979494/Civilisation-does-NOT-need-faith-God-Belief-supreme-doesn-t-play-role-forming-complex-societies-study-finds.html
tl;dr:
Civilisation does NOT need faith in God: Belief in supreme being doesn't play a role in forming complex societies, study finds
Scientists at the University of Auckland studied 97 Pacific island cultures
Belief in an all-powerful God was found to not be a civilising influence
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Fear! That's all there is to it.
You've heard the term "God fearing" right?
The implication being, behave, in whatever way applicable, or you'll have God to answer too.
...but if you love God, where's the harm?
Foggy believed in green underpants. Worked for him ;D :y
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I don't believe there is a god, nor do I believe that Jesus was the son of god, I also do not believe that the immaculate conception happened either - thats just impossible - fact.....
I do believe in Darwins theory of evolution - he has been proven correct in his theories many many times over...
However, I do believe that there might have been a man walking this earth saying that he was the son of god and the bible is his autobiography - maybe written by a ghost writer (possibly the holy ghost :))
If someone says to me they believe in god, I dont belittle them, they can believe whatever they wish to - thats up to them and their brainwashed brain.... not my problem is it...
Science has proven that there is no god, I believe the scientists when they say we started life as a big bang and we went from there, took it upon ourselves to emerge from omoebas and develop eventually into modern man.... science has proven these facts, god hasn't proven a thing....
Humans are very gullible, especially god fearing humans of the eastern world...
The Muslims etc... practicing their Islamic faith is entirely up to them if they want to do it - but all these attrocities that they practice are no different to what the Pagans and Christians did thousands of years ago as they slaughtered their way through the world....
Im not sorry if this offends anyone, I dont thrust my beliefs of a god on anyone until they start to thrust their opinions/beliefs on me..... thats when I start to walk away giggling and shaking my head....
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If someone says to me they believe in god, I dont belittle them, they can believe whatever they wish to - thats up to them and their brainwashed brain.... not my problem is it...
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If someone says to me they believe in god, I dont belittle them, they can believe whatever they wish to - thats up to them and their brainwashed brain.... not my problem is it...
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Thank God for that... ::)
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If someone says to me they believe in god, I dont belittle them, they can believe whatever they wish to - thats up to them and their brainwashed brain.... not my problem is it...
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Thank God for that... ::)
Bloody hell....you are a stirring sod, Al ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Fear! That's all there is to it.
You've heard the term "God fearing" right?
The implication being, behave, in whatever way applicable, or you'll have God to answer too.
...but if you love God, where's the harm?
Foggy believed in green underpants. Worked for him ;D :y
"God created heaven, because he loves all of mankind.
he also created hell, for anyone who doesn't love him back"
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scooby doo (http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/22/22bba55a795e97a7a11d55083c5f9bc68a86ff665082eeb3773e362aca7f90c7.jpg)
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If someone says to me they believe in god, I dont belittle them, they can believe whatever they wish to - thats up to them and their brainwashed brain.... not my problem is it...
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Thank God for that... ::)
Bloody hell....you are a stirring sod, Al ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Moi... ???
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