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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: flyer 0712 on 18 February 2015, 19:21:02
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Help please as realy peed off......just bought an omega 2.2....2002...the guy put a full m.o.t. on it and changed the cam belt...rollers...and water pump...that what he said and the old ones were in the boot to show he had done just that.......ok he drove it to my home..20 miles on Saturday and since then i have started in several times to move it about to do jobs on it before i tax it on the first of march....today it started ok and i turned it around and did what i wanted to do and then when i went to park it up properly for the night,it started and ran for 10 seconds and then just stopped...looking at fuel gauge it was just in the red ,,,so i went and put a gallon of fuel in it just in case,,but just turns over as it should but will not fire up.....so please any ideas what it could be that is preventing it starting as i am at my wits end with omegas at the moment...and dont know where to start looking......ta much.. :( :( :( :(
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Saloon or estate and is the car perfectly level?
If not level, jack up one corner as required so that it is level, if saloon add another two gallons, if estate, another three gallons and try again :y
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Hi AL...It is a saloon...the screen said 56 miles left in the tank and then i added another gallon and still no go....to be exact the car is not dead level the back end is on the lower end of a slight slope so i will put more fuel in tomorrow and then try again....if still no go ...as arnie said...i will return lol thanks matey :y
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Hi AL...It is a saloon...the screen said 56 miles left in the tank and then i added another gallon and still no go....to be exact the car is not dead level the back end is on the lower end of a slight slope so i will put more fuel in tomorrow and then try again....if still no go ...as arnie said...i will return lol thanks matey :y
Car needs to be as close to level as possible, and once cut out, they need ALOT more fuel to restart than you might think... saloons are better, but have had mine cut out before the light had even come on :-\
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Flyer0712.. Are you scrapping a 2.2 ....And you have just bought a new one :-\
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Update...put 4 gals of petrol in and car still will not fire up......pulled cam cover back a touch and cam belt is ok.....took off spark plug over to find plug wells full to the top with thick dirty oil and pulled coil pack upwards only to leave the rubber boots in place..took them out and yep full of oil......question is,,,could this be the cause of non starting after running so sweetly to just suddenly stop whilst running...and will it have knackered the coil pack.?????..just going to pick up new cam cover gasket to fit tomorrow if it stops raining....any suggestions please..ta much :y
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Is the car level?
Any codes? Oil in the plug wells will make it run like a dog, shouldn't stop it starting (unless all six are oiled up...)
Get the car level, and try again. If no joy have an assistant try whilst you give the bottom of the tank a sharp whack. If it then starts you're fuel pump is getting lazy...
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BIGtime...yep this troublesome one is the replacement for the one that i have now a scrap buyer for when it gets taken away next month hopefully thats if this new one gets going again lol :y
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not quite level,but not a lot out of line.......why....do i need yet more fuel Al.....only each time i fill up the petrol an i am getting more on my feet than in the can lol....
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Edited my last :y but yes car needs to be as level as possible so jack up which ever end needs it :y
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its a desmond...only half an omega as you guys say.....only 4pot... :D :D...however Al i will try you suggestions out and see what happens.....love hitting things with bih ammers..thanks.. :y
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its a desmond...only half an omega as you guys say.....only 4pot... :D :D...however Al i will try you suggestions out and see what happens.....love hitting things with bih ammers..thanks.. :y
Being a desmond rules out cam/crank sensor as it should start eventually with either failed... but wrt the amount of fuel/angle of the car/fuel pump... I have all those T shirts in XXXL ::)
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Another thought.. You mention having started it to move it around a few times. I can get away with doing this once or twice on my 3.2 before the spark plugs foul and it either refuses to start or runs on a reduced complement of cylinders. This is because it runs very rich on a cold start. Not sure if the 2.2 is the same, but I wouldn't be surprised.
It might be worth cranking it for a while with your foot flat on the floor to clear the flooding or, better still, take the spark plugs out and dry them out over the flame of a gas hob or blowtorch before refitting them and trying again.
Regarding the fuel pickup, you can verify that the pump is picking up fuel by disconnecting the fuel feed line from the fuel rail and placing the end in a suitable container. You should get a strong flow of fuel as soon as the ignition is switched on. If the system has airlocked, this might help to prime the pump, so reconnect and then try to start it straight away.
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Update...put 4 gals of petrol in and car still will not fire up......pulled cam cover back a touch and cam belt is ok.....took off spark plug over to find plug wells full to the top with thick dirty oil and pulled coil pack upwards only to leave the rubber boots in place..took them out and yep full of oil......question is,,,could this be the cause of non starting after running so sweetly to just suddenly stop whilst running...and will it have knackered the coil pack.?????..just going to pick up new cam cover gasket to fit tomorrow if it stops raining....any suggestions please..ta much :y
I wouldn't faff around with the fuel until I'd got rid of all the oil that's knocking about. It's got to be done anyway, so do it first.
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If it's a petrol and you've started it several times but only run it briefly, then it is probably flooded.
If it's new to you then new plugs would be a good idea as without plugs make it even more likely.
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..... take the spark plugs out and dry them out over the flame of a gas hob or blowtorch before refitting them and trying again.
'Hot plugs' is an old trick for getting a reluctant starter going, not sure if it's good with ECU's and electronics though? :-\
Not something I've done for years. ::)
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having changed spark plugs..checked fuel flow the thing will not start...And now the spanner light is constantly flashing...i counted 200 flashes and it still went on and on so i gave up counting......a friend of mine who runs his own garage loaned me a simple sealy vs8702......obd``..eobd hand held unit to check the codes ,,however the unit kept telling me....cannot connect to vehicle system....I tried it at least a dozen times with no luck.....so i connected it to my other omega which is exactly the same car..2.2 cc with the same system and it connected without any problem what so ever....so any idea why it will not connect to the omega and why the spanner light flashes like hell.....could it be a problem with the main e.c.u.....or is there some sort of main fuse in the system that has gone kaput ...and so it cant connect to the e.c.u....any help please / suggestions....thanks.. :y
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That points to an immobiliser issue... has the key been apart?
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Yes to replace the battery...oh dear :'(
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Yes to replace the battery...oh dear :'(
You're looking for a small piece of plastic about 6mm x 3.5mm x 1.5 mm... be near where you opened the key :y
Spare key might be easier :y
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If it is that, Al.......respect :y
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Here it is :y
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70807181/transponder.jpg)
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Yup, it will look just like that :y minus the key of course ::)
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Here it is :y
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70807181/transponder.jpg)
Stop drawing wobbly arrows all over the forum, you. ;D
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;D I would have thought pretty coloured crayons were right up your street... :P
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;D I would have thought pretty coloured crayons were right up your street... :P
They are, but I don't know how to post my pictures up and I'd only get banned if I did. :(
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;D I would have thought pretty coloured crayons were right up your street... :P
They are, but I don't know how to post my pictures up and I'd only get banned if I did. :(
;D
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To begin with a huge thank you to all of you that helped me sort this problem out before i did set light to the car,,,,,And Al you were right on the ball with your thinking.....and big time thanks for the picture,,,,it was the key and it had the chip missing as it turned out that it was never there in the first place....on your suggestion i got the spare key which the fob dosent work and put that in the ignition and sure enough it started.so very well done to you and all my respect..I am so amazed and so very gratefull to you all for your expert knowledge on the omega and the fact that you share with us all of that and free of charge as well....I owe you Al big time thank you......so the story is that on the day i was doing bits to the car and moving it about I came indoors and decided to change the batteries on both the fobs..I then picked the better fob that was not being used and that is when my trouble started and it did not dawn on me that i had done that,,because it was low on fuel when the guy delivered it i naturally thought that was the reason for it not starting....only tonight on Al suggestion did i use the spare key and the car started...then I phoned the guy who i bought the car from,,only to be told that the chip has been missing for years and because that was the better fob he used that one to unlock the door and the bad fob to start the car...instead of swapping the fobs over......now he tells me,,lol,,,,ok once again thank you all...well chuffed now.... :y :y :) :)
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Good stuff :y
Now go out for a decent run in it otherwise the battery will fall over from all the faffing about ;D
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I dont know about the battery falling over.....i fell over as i was worn out with all of the......faffing about......lol.....once again thanks matey :y :y
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You just now need a 'new' chip & someone to TechII it to your car. Not sure if Vauxhall will supply a chip without a key, but one from a scrap Vauxhall will do, or a breaker here will sort you out with one :y
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Chips are readily available :y
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Chips are readily available :y
I came across one in a tool box in my garage the other day ...... :y