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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 16 March 2015, 12:10:38
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There was a bit on BBC news this morning about young drivers being very accident prone especially in the first year after passing their test. One woman had had a her husband tragically killed by a youngster "adjusting" their sat nav.
Here is a hypothesis. Young drivers of today are not as spacially aware as young drivers were 30 years ago say?
Perhaps the tech age we live in has biologically changed them? I am being quite serious suggesting that.
I do not remember my mates having accidents when we had passed our tests. Maybe there was a lot less traffic on the roads?
What do you think?
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There was a bit on BBC news this morning about young drivers being very accident prone especially in the first year after passing their test. One woman had had a her husband tragically killed by a youngster "adjusting" their sat nav.
Here is a hypothesis. Young drivers of today are not as spacially aware as young drivers were 30 years ago say?
Perhaps the tech age we live in has biologically changed them? I am being quite serious suggesting that.
I do not remember my mates having accidents when we had passed our tests. Maybe there was a lot less traffic on the roads?
What do you think?
You speak specifically of women, I imagine. :)
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I think that young drivers have always been accident prone. I had many a close shave in my yoof, but generally managed to stay on the black stuff, however quite a few of my mates ended up in hedges and ditches! ::)
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Young drivers of today aren't more accident prone than they where 30 years ago or even 10 years ago, there's just more of them :)
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I don't believe you should be able to drive a car until you are 20. Despite the human race allegedly advancing with each generation, I believe that's only physical, not mental. I was much more mature in my teens, and even before, than the kids are now.
Don't know the reason. I'm sure there's plenty that think they do, but I don't wanna hear it ;D
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I don't believe you should be able to drive a car until you are 20. Despite the human race allegedly advancing with each generation, I believe that's only physical, not mental. I was much more mature in my teens, and even before, than the kids are now.
Don't know the reason. I'm sure there's plenty that think they do, but I don't wanna hear it ;D
Well, how does that help me? I haven't reached the mental age of 20 yet.
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There was a bit on BBC news this morning about young drivers being very accident prone especially in the first year after passing their test. One woman had had a her husband tragically killed by a youngster "adjusting" their sat nav.
Here is a hypothesis. Young drivers of today are not as spacially aware as young drivers were 30 years ago say?
Perhaps the tech age we live in has biologically changed them? I am being quite serious suggesting that.
I do not remember my mates having accidents when we had passed our tests. Maybe there was a lot less traffic on the roads?
What do you think?
My lad got told by his driving instructor last week that the driving test is changing later on in the year.
OUT goes the 3 point turn or turn in the road as its call nowdays.
IN comes a test to prove you can actually program and use a SAT NAV ::) ::)
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There was a bit on BBC news this morning about young drivers being very accident prone especially in the first year after passing their test. One woman had had a her husband tragically killed by a youngster "adjusting" their sat nav.
Here is a hypothesis. Young drivers of today are not as spacially aware as young drivers were 30 years ago say?
Perhaps the tech age we live in has biologically changed them? I am being quite serious suggesting that.
I do not remember my mates having accidents when we had passed our tests. Maybe there was a lot less traffic on the roads?
What do you think?
My lad got told by his driving instructor last week that the driving test is changing later on in the year.
OUT goes the 3 point turn or turn in the road as its call nowdays.
IN comes a test to prove you can actually program and use a SAT NAV whilst driving ::) ::)
Fixed as most likely :-X
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Sadly the removal of the turn in the road means that the next generation of drivers will have no idea how to make their car go in the direction from which they've just come, when their expertly programmed sat nav has taken them to a housing estate cul de sac which wasn't there when the sat nav was last updated :y
I imagine a quick call to the AA will suffice... "Can't make my car go the other way. Come out and make it do the turny-round thing. My dad can do it, but that's for old men, an that." ;)
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handbrake? ;)
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handbrake? ;)
Try and do that with a newfangled electric one ;D
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Young drivers are learning. Learning involves making mistakes.
Depends if the figures take into account the growth in population to include the number Young drivers and the number of other drivers to hit, as to weather there is anything more to it.
This technology thing though. It really isn't as scary as you make out :)
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handbrake? ;)
That'll get you a £100 fine from the rozzers according to the DM, as will spinning your wheels (good job all cars have traction control, eh?)..
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Young drivers are learning. Learning involves making mistakes.
Depends if the figures take into account the growth in population to include the number Young drivers and the number of other drivers to hit, as to weather there is anything more to it.
This technology thing though. It really isn't as scary as you make out :)
Well a couple of points assuming you mean in car technology like sat nav.
1. When I started work (a zillion years ago) the headman sent out an edict saying "you are not allowed to listen to the radio in your vehicle as it detracts from your thought processes". There was an outcry and it was changed to before 5p.m. I wished I had kept a copy.
2. the company then followed a policy of having the manufacturer supply vans without radios fitted. My mate actually had a prang because he was changing channels on his portable radio on passenger seat. He didn't admit it of course.
3. texting, reading/adjusting sat nav, eating/drinking on move, phoning even hands free, searching for a track out of 4000 MP3 tracks . These must all be tempting and a distraction that wasn't around thirty years ago.
4. maybe modern vehicles are easier to drive, faster than the jalopies of my youth (not talking the cars with a man in front with a red flag- that was optis youth) and maybe that encourages carelessness or driving too close.
5. Much more time pressure nowaydays een though employers are relaxed about start times. (I had a job where more than five minutes late and you got docked pay but traffic was more predicatble then)
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Wrt point 4, most of my driving has been done in/around Surrey/Sussex/Hants borders and suggest the following:
New cars are faster to a point. But...
General traffic speed is quicker, so less overtaking margin, although perspectively so as alot of limits have actually dropped. Even 10 -15 years ago, you could easily be the fastest thing on the road without actually exceeding the limit... now not so, as to overtake slightly faster moving traffic safely you need to be well over the NSL, assuming it hasn't been replaced with a 40/50 limit.
Part of the reason for this slightly higher traffic speed must be due to better braking everything has ABS or ESP as standard (chuck a current car into a tightish bend at 60 and you don't crash and die*) and refinement means cars disconnect the driver from what they're doing... compare a Mk1 Cavalier to the current Astra.
You didn't drive a 1600 Cavalier at the NSL on single carriageway roads (unless you were in a rush or young and fearless) as the it wasn't really comfortable to and the brakes were woeful, whereas the latest cars are quiet, stop on a button, and don't take two days to hit 60. :-\
* Don't try this at home kids. No, really don't...
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Here is a hypothesis. Young drivers of today are not as spacially aware as young drivers were 30 years ago say?
People who are currently slightly beyond middle aged probably learnt roadcraft on a motorbike. Nothing teaches you awareness like riding a motorbike.
Sadly, now you can straight away get a loan for your first Saxo, having just passed a test, and you think you are indestructible.
Also, we didn't have satnavs back then, or any other manner of distracting, stupids gonks plastered all over the windscreen
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Here is a hypothesis. Young drivers of today are not as spacially aware as young drivers were 30 years ago say?
People who are currently slightly beyond middle aged probably learnt roadcraft on a motorbike. Nothing teaches you awareness like riding a motorbike.
Sadly, now you can straight away get a loan for your first Saxo, having just passed a test, and you think you are indestructible.
Also, we didn't have satnavs back then, or any other manner of distracting, stupids gonks plastered all over the windscreen
Not so Mr Admin Sir, people have been obscuring their windscreens since 1952...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Trees ;D
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;D
mp3's are much easier to use while driving than 8 tracks/cassettes etc ....actually forget that.
They are voice activated these days. ???
Yooves driving into anything that moves, and doesn't, has been going on since driving began.
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;D
mp3's are much easier to use while driving than 8 tracks/cassettes etc ....actually forget that.
They are voice activated these days. ???
Yooves diving into anything that moves has been going on since the Teenager was invented.
Fixed ;)
An unwasted youth is a wasted one... lord alone knows how it's taken nearly 25 years to figure that out mind... :-[
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I must say there are too many gadgets in cars these days. Take this Insigina I've got on loan. The centre console is like a mini computer. There's a mouse & clicker where the handbrake was and its taking me ages to find out how to change the radio channel, let alone the other dozens of apps that's in the 'entertainment system'. Very distracting if you ask me.
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I must say there are too many gadgets in cars these days. Take this Insigina I've got on loan. The centre console is like a mini computer. There's a mouse & clicker where the handbrake was and its taking me ages to find out how to change the radio channel, let alone the other dozens of apps that's in the 'entertainment system'. Very distracting if you ask me.
They're not gadgets, they're 'driver aids'.... ::)
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The only driver aids you need in a car are - steering wheel, pedals, indicator stalks & rear view mirrors (optional on BMW's & Audis) ;D ;D ;D
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The only driver aids you need in a car are - steering wheel, pedals, indicator stalks & rear view mirrors (optional on BMW's & Audis) ;D ;D ;D
Watch out for those rear view mirrors, I've heard they can frighten the living shite out of you. ;D
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Watch out for those rear view mirrors, I've heard they can frighten the living shite out of you
You can go right off some people, ya know :P :P :P :P :P :P
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Watch out for those rear view mirrors, I've heard they can frighten the living shite out of you
You can go right off some people, ya know :P :P :P :P :P :P
Sorry...couldn't resist.. ;D
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Ya shoulda been in work this mornin if ya wanted to take the piss, they were queuing up.........
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Ya shoulda been in work this mornin if ya wanted to take the piss, they were queuing up.........
Boys will be boys. You'll just have to wait until someone else nearly gets killed and then it'll be your turn to laugh. Jeez..........what a sad world.
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I must say there are too many gadgets in cars these days. Take this Insigina I've got on loan. The centre console is like a mini computer. There's a mouse & clicker where the handbrake was and its taking me ages to find out how to change the radio channel, let alone the other dozens of apps that's in the 'entertainment system'. Very distracting if you ask me.
J Clarkson comment on that years ago. He asked what was wrong with a switch for this & another switch for that instead of the current trend to to a have screen that you navigate around to alter any manner of things
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How hard can it be to make manufacturers disable everything but what you need for driving while the car is in motion?
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I must say there are too many gadgets in cars these days. Take this Insigina I've got on loan. The centre console is like a mini computer. There's a mouse & clicker where the handbrake was and its taking me ages to find out how to change the radio channel, let alone the other dozens of apps that's in the 'entertainment system'. Very distracting if you ask me.
J Clarkson comment on that years ago. He asked what was wrong with a switch for this & another switch for that instead of the current trend to to a have screen that you navigate around to alter any manner of things
Bloody technofobes ;D
:-[ ;D
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I must say there are too many gadgets in cars these days. Take this Insigina I've got on loan. The centre console is like a mini computer. There's a mouse & clicker where the handbrake was and its taking me ages to find out how to change the radio channel, let alone the other dozens of apps that's in the 'entertainment system'. Very distracting if you ask me.
J Clarkson comment on that years ago. He asked what was wrong with a switch for this & another switch for that instead of the current trend to to a have screen that you navigate around to alter any manner of things
Bloody technofobes ;D
:-[ ;D
Your old Ipad doesn't have a spellchecker....does it? ;D
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Must be getting old!!!
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Don't tell me that an all-singing, all-dancing climate control system is that much better than three rotary dials, either. Cause it isn't, just more complicated and less reliable.
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Don't tell me that an all-singing, all-dancing climate control system is that much better than three rotary dials, either. Cause it isn't, just more complicated and less reliable.
If the software is any good on cc, only the temp needs adjusting. Demist aside.
Whenever you see worn out cc buttons on an omega cc panel, you know the owner doesn't understand this.
It will manage the temp, until the temp you set arrives, and it will hold it there, until you say otherwise.
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Don't tell me that an all-singing, all-dancing climate control system is that much better than three rotary dials, either. Cause it isn't, just more complicated and less reliable.
If the software is any good on cc, only the temp needs adjusting. Demist aside.
Whenever you see worn out cc buttons on an omega cc panel, you know the owner doesn't understand this.
It will manage the temp, until the temp you set arrives, and it will hold it there, until you say otherwise.
Can't remember on an omega, it's been a while, but on mine, if you use the 'auto' button, it puts the fan on full speed until it gets to the right temperature, and then faffs around trying to keep it there. So you might get the correct temp, but your can't here yourself think. ;D
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Korean software see ;)
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Korean software see ;)
That be it.
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Korean software see ;)
That be it.
I wonder do Koreans do software updates?
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Korean software see ;)
That be it.
I wonder do Koreans do software updates?
Errrr......Seoul is the most connected city in the world with internet speeds we can only dream of....technologically light years ahead of us.......so maybe. But, then again, they're only assembling GM shite....so maybe not. :-\
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Don't tell me that an all-singing, all-dancing climate control system is that much better than three rotary dials, either. Cause it isn't, just more complicated and less reliable.
If the software is any good on cc, only the temp needs adjusting. Demist aside.
Whenever you see worn out cc buttons on an omega cc panel, you know the owner doesn't understand this.
It will manage the temp, until the temp you set arrives, and it will hold it there, until you say otherwise.
Can't remember on an omega, it's been a while, but on mine, if you use the 'auto' button, it puts the fan on full speed until it gets to the right temperature, and then faffs around trying to keep it there. So you might get the correct temp, but your can't here yourself think. ;D
Now the Honda will not do that, it will push air to the screen but until the temperature of the car gets up it will not put warm air to the floor.............. ;) ;)
As for OP's post, cars are so much faster than of old, yes brakes and suspension is better, but this builds a sense of false security............. :-\ :-\
I feel also that young drivers have grown up with a number of computer games, that we did not have, that make driving at high speed 'safe' in as much as you can press the reset button................ :-\
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150mph on a dry, empty multi lane road with good visibility needn't be any less safe than driving to the end of the road.
And before you say blowout or pheasant... consider that it is possible to roll a car at twenty miles an hour on a straight road by reacting inappropriately to any given situation, as shown of BBC3 earlier tonight (Traffic Cops iirc)...
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150mph on a dry, empty multi lane road with good visibility needn't be any less safe than driving to the end of the road.
And before you say blowout or pheasant... consider that it is possible to roll a car at twenty miles an hour on a straight road by reacting inappropriately to any given situation, as shown of BBC3 earlier tonight (Traffic Cops iirc)...
I wouldn't do that speed in the Honda, Winter tyres currently fitted, let alone the an Omega, now the Mitsubishi Gallant, I chickened out at around 130.......... ;) ;) :-X
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The Honda would struggle to top 130...
But it's what big exec cruisers are built to do all day long... :y
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The Honda would struggle to top 130...
But it's what big exec cruisers are built to do all day long... :y
Maybe, but the Mitsubishi was as quick as quick can be....... :y :y
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my thoughts on orignal post?
its quite simple really,
the older generations were taught to drive a vehicle safely and properly,we got road experience?
Nowadays they are only taught how to pass the test!
which is the root cause of new drivers having accidents, they do not know how to drive, even when they have passed the test, they have no clue where they are going, what they are doing,what to do in an emergency situation involving their vehicle,or what happens under the bonnet,they are not told that a vehicle is a dangerous weapon,they are not shown how to brake in an emergency situation except jam the brakes on and hope the abs sorts it,
and totally agree about new cars having to much electronic toys, ::)