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Hi guys, I'm looking for HiFi to replace my 36 year old Pioneer setup. I would like one that will still play cassettes, CD's and LPs if possible, and it must have wireless speakers. Am I being too optimistic? :-\
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Hi guys, I'm looking for HiFi to replace my 36 year old Pioneer setup. I would like one that will still play cassettes, CD's and LPs if possible, and it must have wireless speakers. Am I being too optimistic? :-\
What you still got them for... There from the black & white days :-\
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You need to go where I'll be on Sunday. :y
http://www.thehifishow.com/ (http://www.thehifishow.com/)
But in all seriousness, if sound quality is important to you, I would probably drop the requirement for wireless speakers. I can't think of one wireless product that sits in a sensible space between "cheap cr@p" and "overpriced "high-end" nonsense". There is a reasonable segment of the Hi-Fi buying market that think they can hear the difference between different exotic brands of speaker cable, and different brands of valve in their amplifiers, etc. Make a speaker wireless (and, of course, integrate the amplifier with it) and they get all confused, so wireless technology simply hasn't "made it".
I may well be about to be proved wrong, of course, but that's my assessment of the situation. ;)
What is wrong with your current system? Any prospect of fixing it or replacing an item or two?
EDIT: There's a shop not far from me who's a decent bloke and a good source of old separates if you need to replace any of your current system. (I'm thinking it's going to be tough finding a new cassette deck these days, for example, but he'll sell you a decent 2nd hand one.) www.hifihangar.co.uk (http://www.hifihangar.co.uk)
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I have just fitted a wood floor in my lounge and did not want to run the speaker wires round under the skirting, mainly because we rarely use the Pioneer except for the wireless, and occasional casette or LP, but also because our new room layout does not lend itself to large speakers. I am not wooried about top quality hifi, just a reasonable sound when I want to play my old Beachboys, Dusty, or Elvis LP's and cassettes. :y
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You need to go where I'll be on Sunday. :y
http://www.thehifishow.com/ (http://www.thehifishow.com/)
But in all seriousness, if sound quality is important to you, I would probably drop the requirement for wireless speakers. I can't think of one wireless product that sits in a sensible space between "cheap cr@p" and "overpriced "high-end" nonsense". There is a reasonable segment of the Hi-Fi buying market that think they can hear the difference between different exotic brands of speaker cable, and different brands of valve in their amplifiers, etc. Make a speaker wireless (and, of course, integrate the amplifier with it) and they get all confused, so wireless technology simply hasn't "made it".
I may well be about to be proved wrong, of course, but that's my assessment of the situation. ;)
What is wrong with your current system? Any prospect of fixing it or replacing an item or two?
EDIT: There's a shop not far from me who's a decent bloke and a good source of old separates if you need to replace any of your current system. (I'm thinking it's going to be tough finding a new cassette deck these days, for example, but he'll sell you a decent 2nd hand one.) www.hifihangar.co.uk (http://www.hifihangar.co.uk)
Thanks for all that info Kevin. If I keep the current system I will have to wire the speakers which we think are ugly anyway. :y
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Hi guys, I'm looking for HiFi to replace my 36 year old Pioneer setup. I would like one that will still play cassettes, CD's and LPs if possible, and it must have wireless speakers. Am I being too optimistic? :-\
What you still got them for... There from the black & white days :-\
Still got cassette and record player , cant beat the old original sound from LP's :y
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Dont do CDs no more...Flac Straight into a amp :y
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What about wax cylinders ?
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I've got a decent AV system in my lounge and due to a similar problem hiding cables, I rewired all my 6 of my surround speakers last year in this stuff
http://www.richersounds.com/product/speaker-cables/qed/micro/qed-micro
Its tiny in comparison to some cables and pish easy to hide even if the cable is a little hard to bend around tight corners due to the very thin but stiff insulation.
I love my music / AV system and I must admit I was gobsmacked just how good this cable is :y :y
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I use some of the higher end speaker cable..... :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70807181/speaker.JPG)
Yes the speaker is plugged in.. :y
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I use some of the higher end speaker cable..... :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70807181/speaker.JPG)
Mmmmm, nice them :y
I've got Mission's all around for the Av side running of a Yamaha AV amp and a nice pair of Mission M70's c/w Cyrus 2 amp for the music.
I use this stuff for the floor standing beasties :D
http://www.richersounds.com/product/speaker-cables/cambridge-audio/ultra-bi-wire/audi-ultra-biwire
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I'd get shot if I tried to fit those, which are twice the size of the ones we are getting rid of! :y
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I'd get shot if I tried to fit those, which are twice the size of the ones we are getting rid of! :y
There only 14" high.. fed by a good old Technics su-x902 which is rigged into the pc with a optical cable fed by winamp..
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You need to go where I'll be on Sunday. :y
http://www.thehifishow.com/ (http://www.thehifishow.com/)
But in all seriousness, if sound quality is important to you, I would probably drop the requirement for wireless speakers. I can't think of one wireless product that sits in a sensible space between "cheap cr@p" and "overpriced "high-end" nonsense". There is a reasonable segment of the Hi-Fi buying market that think they can hear the difference between different exotic brands of speaker cable, and different brands of valve in their amplifiers, etc. Make a speaker wireless (and, of course, integrate the amplifier with it) and they get all confused, so wireless technology simply hasn't "made it".
I may well be about to be proved wrong, of course, but that's my assessment of the situation. ;)
What is wrong with your current system? Any prospect of fixing it or replacing an item or two?
EDIT: There's a shop not far from me who's a decent bloke and a good source of old separates if you need to replace any of your current system. (I'm thinking it's going to be tough finding a new cassette deck these days, for example, but he'll sell you a decent 2nd hand one.) www.hifihangar.co.uk (http://www.hifihangar.co.uk)
Like the look of that. :-\ Is It worth there £12.50 Fee..... :-\
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I'd say if your prepared to accept the sound quality of a cassette, and vinyl, then the differance in sound quality between wired and wireless speakers won't even show up in the sound quality "spectrum" that's considered basic top end these days. Plus usually, only the furthest speakers are wireless anyway.
If your looking for unobtrusive speakers, look at the bose set ups. Although they are wired and ideously expensive. But the quality v speakers size (1x2" in some cases) is very impressive.
Then again, integrating cassette and record players isn't going to happen without seperate connections and a mass of wires. Most likely will depend on aux outputs of your current equipment.
Most modern systems revolve around home cinema and smart tv's these days. Music being a side show as its so easy to input digital audio, but quality via surround sound such as Dolby digital is impressive. Of course there are those that rightly dislike the compression rates v quality of digital recordings but let's not forget we are talking about a range of quality that encompasses cassette recordings. ::)
We have a range of cd's and a standalone CD player in the front room. Or had. They've sat gathering dust for the last 11 years once inported to a digital player.
Imo. Move with the times. Buy the best quality system you can that incorporates home cinema , with multi sound and viewing zones. And if your current equipment allows, aux that in to the new set up.
So to answer your question. Tbh. Yes!
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I'd say if your prepared to accept the sound quality of ... and vinyl,
Pretty sure I just heard the audiophiles start sharpening their pitchforks and scythes, Chris.. start running now! ;D
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I'd say if your prepared to accept the sound quality of ... and vinyl,
Pretty sure I just heard the audiophiles start sharpening their pitchforks and scythes, Chris.. start running now! ;D
It's worse than that.., He said B .. B .. The B word, you know..
<shudder>Bose :o
The Falken of the Hi-Fi business. :o Actually, scratch that. Falkens are only crap, not overpriced. ;D
.. I can forgive most people for thinking records were crap. It wasn't until I started cleaning them, and got a cartridge (2nd hand bargain) that cost more new than my Omega's worth, that I started to see the light. Turns out dragging and old rock across a bit of plastic can work acceptably well. ;D
The last thing anyone worried about the appearance of his system needs is an umpteen-speaker home theatre setup.
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I'd say if your prepared to accept the sound quality of ... and vinyl,
Pretty sure I just heard the audiophiles start sharpening their pitchforks and scythes, Chris.. start running now! ;D
OPPS em! ;D
How anyone can make comparisons on quality when cassette is involved is beyond me!
Vinyl to a much lesser extent, is still shite in comparison to digital and cd formats. My Dad has a top of the range B+O set up. Quad speakers the size of radiator each, which are awsome it has to be said, that can pick out the slightest differance in quality.
He came to visit and watched the rugby on telly. ...but via the home cinema. Ooh, he said, what speakers are those. Christ knows says I. Some mid range tat richer sounds Had on special. We played music. Pumped up the volume. "That's amazing" said the B+O audio file. "The quality of speakers these days is so much better"
But is it? The source being completely differant to anything he has at home. ;)
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Remember of course that a wireless speaker will still need a mains lead. :y So far from Wireless
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B + O..... Spent a small fortune on a B+O video player years ago. When it went wrong the bloke who worked on it said, 'this is all Philips inside'.... >:( >:( >:( Sorry for wandering 'off thread'.. :-[
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B + O..... Spent a small fortune on a B+O video player years ago. When it went wrong the bloke who worked on it said, 'this is all Philips inside'.... >:( >:( >:( Sorry for wandering 'off thread'.. :-[
Yep, and their tv's are fony sony, allegedly.
As said, the source is more important over this range of formats. It's not until you get into this centuries tech that the "F...F....FER FER FALKEN" arguments become relevant. ;D
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Ive got a couple of Acoustic Research wifi speakers looking for a new home. They can be powered either by mains or their internal rechargeable batteries (that probably will want replacing by now)
IIRC the input to the sender needs to be a 'line out' from the amp.
Nothing wrong with them tbh (but shall check they still work, if interested) I originally bought them to use in the garden on bbq evenings....used a few times....then bought a different stereo and didn't realise it didn't have a 'line out' so haven't used them since...
Yours for what you think they are worth :y
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Remember of course that a wireless speaker will still need a mains lead. :y So far from Wireless
Yes I got that Mark, but fortunately, I have accessible power points, so am still interested in wireless options. :y
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Ive got a couple of Acoustic Research wifi speakers looking for a new home. They can be powered either by mains or their internal rechargeable batteries (that probably will want replacing by now)
IIRC the input to the sender needs to be a 'line out' from the amp.
Nothing wrong with them tbh (but shall check they still work, if interested) I originally bought them to use in the garden on bbq evenings....used a few times....then bought a different stereo and didn't realise it didn't have a 'line out' so haven't used them since...
Yours for what you think they are worth :y
I might be interested, what physical size are they?
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Ive got a couple of Acoustic Research wifi speakers looking for a new home. They can be powered either by mains or their internal rechargeable batteries (that probably will want replacing by now)
IIRC the input to the sender needs to be a 'line out' from the amp.
Nothing wrong with them tbh (but shall check they still work, if interested) I originally bought them to use in the garden on bbq evenings....used a few times....then bought a different stereo and didn't realise it didn't have a 'line out' so haven't used them since...
Yours for what you think they are worth :y
I might be interested, what physical size are they?
Roughly 12"Hx7"Wx8"D
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Ive got a couple of Acoustic Research wifi speakers looking for a new home. They can be powered either by mains or their internal rechargeable batteries (that probably will want replacing by now)
IIRC the input to the sender needs to be a 'line out' from the amp.
Nothing wrong with them tbh (but shall check they still work, if interested) I originally bought them to use in the garden on bbq evenings....used a few times....then bought a different stereo and didn't realise it didn't have a 'line out' so haven't used them since...
Yours for what you think they are worth :y
I might be interested, what physical size are they?
Roughly 12"Hx7"Wx8"D
Will my old Pioneer set have this, and if so how would I tell?
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Ive got a couple of Acoustic Research wifi speakers looking for a new home. They can be powered either by mains or their internal rechargeable batteries (that probably will want replacing by now)
IIRC the input to the sender needs to be a 'line out' from the amp.
Nothing wrong with them tbh (but shall check they still work, if interested) I originally bought them to use in the garden on bbq evenings....used a few times....then bought a different stereo and didn't realise it didn't have a 'line out' so haven't used them since...
Yours for what you think they are worth :y
I might be interested, what physical size are they?
Roughly 12"Hx7"Wx8"D
Will my old Pioneer set have this, and if so how would I tell?
May have Line Out, (it will be marked Line Out, Tape Out or Rec Out etc), but thats not what you need, as all them are output feeds prior to the Pre Amp, what you need is Pre Amp Out which is an Output after the Volume, Balance and any Tone Controls, otherwise you will have no control feeding the Speakers.
Unless your your Pioneer is an actual Pre Amp ie, it doesn't have its own Speaker Amp, it wont have that facility.
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Ive got a couple of Acoustic Research wifi speakers looking for a new home. They can be powered either by mains or their internal rechargeable batteries (that probably will want replacing by now)
IIRC the input to the sender needs to be a 'line out' from the amp.
Nothing wrong with them tbh (but shall check they still work, if interested) I originally bought them to use in the garden on bbq evenings....used a few times....then bought a different stereo and didn't realise it didn't have a 'line out' so haven't used them since...
Yours for what you think they are worth :y
I might be interested, what physical size are they?
Roughly 12"Hx7"Wx8"D
Will my old Pioneer set have this, and if so how would I tell?
May have Line Out, (it will be marked Line Out, Tape Out or Rec Out etc), but thats not what you need, as all them are output feeds prior to the Pre Amp, what you need is Pre Amp Out which is an Output after the Volume, Balance and any Tone Controls, otherwise you will have no control feeding the Speakers.
Unless your your Pioneer is an actual Pre Amp ie, it doesn't have its own Speaker Amp, it wont have that facility.
Its is line out you need....you might have a jack socket marked as such....front or back....as iirc correctly you can adjust the max vol on the sender, then adjust volume/bass/treble on each speaker :y
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What is a 'sender' and does it come with the speakers?
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What is a 'sender' and does it come with the speakers?
Its the bit that you connect to the line out....and it wifi's to the speakers...and yes it comes with it :y
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What is a 'sender' and does it come with the speakers?
Its the bit that you connect to the line out....and it wifi's to the speakers...and yes it comes with it :y
Thanks TD, I'll let you know, :y
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Personally, to my ears, listening to a good quality album played back on a good quality turntable / tone arm / cartridge combination and amplifier and speakers made in the UK, is infinitely preferable to listening to the same material via any digital means with the same amplifier and speakers.
Maybe I'm just an old fart.... but put a modern digital media source through a valve amplifier and you suddenly realise what's missing in today's products.
Strangely I listen to MP3 media via a £3 MP3 player fed into an NCDC / Bose setup in the car... :-[ ::) but then, it is a car!!! ;D
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You need to go where I'll be on Sunday. :y
http://www.thehifishow.com/ (http://www.thehifishow.com/)
Ah, the pie fi show. Never managed to get to one, probably because I cannot stand some of the obnoxious, self massaging, horn loving c***ts on the forum.
What is it actually like? The show, that is?
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Personally, to my ears, listening to a good quality album played back on a good quality turntable / tone arm / cartridge combination and amplifier and speakers made in the UK, is infinitely preferable to listening to the same material via any digital means with the same amplifier and speakers.
Maybe I'm just an old fart.... but put a modern digital media source through a valve amplifier and you suddenly realise what's missing in today's products.
Strangely I listen to MP3 media via a £3 MP3 player fed into an NCDC / Bose setup in the car... :-[ ::) but then, it is a car!!! ;D
Absolutely. Digital sound simply cannot replicate the "warmth and authenticity" of good quality vinyl played through a good quality system.
Just as an instrument such as an electric guitar will never sound as good through anything other than a good quality valve amp.
Having said that, it may be the case that "music" recorded in digital form in recent times is a different proposition ?
I wouldn't know,as to my ears 99% of what passes for music these days is an atrocious din. :)
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Personally, to my ears, listening to a good quality album played back on a good quality turntable / tone arm / cartridge combination and amplifier and speakers made in the UK, is infinitely preferable to listening to the same material via any digital means with the same amplifier and speakers.
Maybe I'm just an old fart.... but put a modern digital media source through a valve amplifier and you suddenly realise what's missing in today's products.
Strangely I listen to MP3 media via a £3 MP3 player fed into an NCDC / Bose setup in the car... :-[ ::) but then, it is a car!!! ;D
Absolutely. Digital sound simply cannot replicate the "warmth and authenticity" of good quality vinyl played through a good quality system.
Just as an instrument such as an electric guitar will never sound as good through anything other than a good quality valve amp.
Having said that, it may be the case that "music" recorded in digital form in recent times is a different proposition ?
I wouldn't know,as to my ears 99% of what passes for music these days is an atrocious din. :)
An Audio Research setup with Sonus Faber speakers would very much have the warmth of a good TT setup. Obviously minus the crackle and pops. And the platter and needle cleaning. And adjustment. And fiddling. Ok, maybe the fiddly bits are part of enjoying the music, but sometimes it can get a bit tiresome when you just want to listen to some music.
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What is it actually like? The show, that is?
The forum is much like this place. Those who spoil it on-line are either decent people in real life, or never leave their keyboards. They are a really friendly bunch and the show is just fantastic. The only Hi-Fi show I ever bother with.
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Personally, to my ears, listening to a good quality album played back on a good quality turntable / tone arm / cartridge combination and amplifier and speakers made in the UK, is infinitely preferable to listening to the same material via any digital means with the same amplifier and speakers.
Maybe I'm just an old fart.... but put a modern digital media source through a valve amplifier and you suddenly realise what's missing in today's products.
Strangely I listen to MP3 media via a £3 MP3 player fed into an NCDC / Bose setup in the car... :-[ ::) but then, it is a car!!! ;D
Yes clearly you are lol ;D ;) :y
You are stating preference to listening to distortion rich sources and amplifiers.....'them were the good ol days'.
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Well, I found Shackeng his wireless speaker. :y Not sure he's going to like the price, or that Mrs. Shackeng is going to like the styling, but it does what it says on the tin, quite impressively, given that, in terms of designing speakers, it's about as "I wouldn't start here" as you can get:
http://en.devialet.com/phantom/ (http://en.devialet.com/phantom/)
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Well, I found Shackeng his wireless speaker. :y Not sure he's going to like the price, or that Mrs. Shackeng is going to like the styling, but it does what it says on the tin, quite impressively, given that, in terms of designing speakers, it's about as "I wouldn't start here" as you can get:
http://en.devialet.com/phantom/ (http://en.devialet.com/phantom/)
Ouch! Back to the drawing board, and re-think using the old wired speakers. :-\