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Title: Dead battery?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 29 March 2015, 11:47:19
Started my 2.2 DTi outside the house, started fine. Drove ten miles, stopped for diesel. Got back in, battery flat, dim dash lights, v v slow turn over.

Bump started straight away (joys of a manual!) but even after a run home, won't go on the key

I'm guessing no value in charging it, I doubt I'd trust that battery again!

What's the correct spec battery for the DTi please? :y
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: TheBoy on 29 March 2015, 13:36:15
Alternator output?
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 29 March 2015, 15:09:32
Alternator output?

Couldn't tell you offhand, as I don't have my toolkit nearby  :-[

Regardless of alternator I'm going to change the battery, it's the wrong one for the car, and I've always known this (physically far too small) - if you know the correct battery that would be great - I think a GM one would be best :y :y
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: VXL V6 on 29 March 2015, 15:13:06
Started my 2.2 DTi outside the house, started fine. Drove ten miles, stopped for diesel. Got back in, battery flat, dim dash lights, v v slow turn over.

Bump started straight away (joys of a manual!) but even after a run home, won't go on the key

I'm guessing no value in charging it, I doubt I'd trust that battery again!

What's the correct spec battery for the DTi please? :y

65Ah or 70/72Ah will be fine - in other words, the ones you use on V6's. As it's a standard size battery tray (same as any other Omega) you struggle to get anything much bigger in.

If alternator has issues it might be worth contacting Serek as I sold him my DTi Elite for spares a while back so he may have an alternator off that still.

Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: VXL V6 on 29 March 2015, 15:14:40
Oh and a GM 70AH battery is (or used to be) part number 93189922.
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 29 March 2015, 15:14:54
I will check the output - gut feeling though is that alternator is fine and dandy, I think I've just killed the battery.

I used it when Steve's battery died and it took a hammering cranking over a v6 for some time - to be honest I'm surprised it's lasted as long as it has :y :y

Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 29 March 2015, 15:18:16
I've found a GM battery in my garage :y

It's a 65ah one, part number 93189923, and on the label is printed 12 01 213 - which I'm guessing it means it was made in January 2013...

I tried it on the car - flat as a pancake, won't illuminate the dash lights - but I've put it on charge, it might keep me going for a bit :y :y
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: Andy A on 29 March 2015, 15:18:37
This is the one I used on mine. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Type-096-100-72Ah-680cca-Sealed-4-Year-Wty-Bosch-S4-Car-Battery-572-409-068-/400611945668?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&fits=Car+Make%3AVauxhall|Model%3AOmega&hash=item5d46552cc4

Very pleased with it. I've always used Bosch S4 batteries on all my cars.  :y
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 29 March 2015, 15:26:41
I've found a GM battery in my garage :y

It's a 65ah one, part number 93189923, and on the label is printed 12 01 213 - which I'm guessing it means it was made in January 2013...

I tried it on the car - flat as a pancake, won't illuminate the dash lights - but I've put it on charge, it might keep me going for a bit :y :y
Pop the caps off, unscrew under the labels, and top the electrolyte up with distilled water... then charge it :y
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 29 March 2015, 15:30:21
I've found a GM battery in my garage :y

It's a 65ah one, part number 93189923, and on the label is printed 12 01 213 - which I'm guessing it means it was made in January 2013...

I tried it on the car - flat as a pancake, won't illuminate the dash lights - but I've put it on charge, it might keep me going for a bit :y :y
Pop the caps off, unscrew under the labels, and top the electrolyte up with distilled water... then charge it :y

Yep I took the caps off to do that, but in my surprise, the fluid levels appear spot on... I'll take that as a good sign that it will hopefully take a charge :y
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: VXL V6 on 29 March 2015, 15:35:37
I've found a GM battery in my garage :y

It's a 65ah one, part number 93189923, and on the label is printed 12 01 213 - which I'm guessing it means it was made in January 2013...

I tried it on the car - flat as a pancake, won't illuminate the dash lights - but I've put it on charge, it might keep me going for a bit :y :y
Pop the caps off, unscrew under the labels, and top the electrolyte up with distilled water... then charge it :y

Yep I took the caps off to do that, but in my surprise, the fluid levels appear spot on... I'll take that as a good sign that it will hopefully take a charge :y

To be honest, I've topped up batteries before, used 'bat-aid's' but it never magically transforms an old battery, I just used to use all the old batteries for the caravan, but now we are caravan-less I now use them to power some LED lamps in the sheds.  :y
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 March 2015, 10:37:31
Once you've left a battery long enough to go completely flat it's probably had it or it's close enough that it will let you down in short order IME.

Much more to it than the battery, though. Alternator output? Glow plug relay stuck on? Some other electrical drain? Poorly crimped battery / alternator / starter / chassis / engine negative connections?
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 30 March 2015, 10:45:40
Yep, a lead acid kept at below 90% charge for any period of time will sulphate its plates up.....game over
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 30 March 2015, 10:58:30
Just checked my Service History, and found new Vx battery was £70, which compares well with others out there (Exide, Bosch etc) and a bit cheaper than some places for cheapo / nonames. A little note - I went in for a 65 ah, was told it was £80 or thereabouts - "out of interest" I said "how about the next one up - a 70ah?" - was quoted less at £70! The Parts guy then looked a bit befuddled and tried to tell me why would I want that - it's not the right one for your car, but I was having none of it  ;) So some will say that the genuine Vx ones are a good whack dearer than equivalent ECPs etc - which they [65ah] are - but the 70ahs are actually cheaper (or were about 4 months ago)

Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 30 March 2015, 11:43:03
Once you've left a battery long enough to go completely flat it's probably had it or it's close enough that it will let you down in short order IME.

Much more to it than the battery, though. Alternator output? Glow plug relay stuck on? Some other electrical drain? Poorly crimped battery / alternator / starter / chassis / engine negative connections?

As said, once I have my tools I will check all of this :y
Title: Re: Dead battery?
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 30 March 2015, 12:44:31
You can do a lot worse than these for £60 odd delivered.  :y

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Type-096-100-71Ah-670cca-Sealed-3-Year-Warranty-Exide-Excell-Car-Battery-EB712-/400597375396?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&fits=Car+Make%3AVauxhall%7CModel%3AOmega%7CCars+Year%3A2000%7CPlat_Gen%3AB%7CCars+Type%3A2.2+DTI+16V&hash=item5d4576d9a4

Although this Varta has a 5 year warranty for not much more!  :y

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Varta-E38-Silver-Dynamic-096-100-067-Car-Battery-12V-74AH-574-402-075-/251195095628?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&fits=Car+Make%3AVauxhall%7CModel%3AOmega%7CCars+Year%3A2000%7CPlat_Gen%3AB%7CCars+Type%3A2.2+DTI+16V&hash=item3a7c64fa4c