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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: LC0112G on 29 April 2015, 20:18:29
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Grrrrr. Failed the MOT on leaking rear shox. Fair enough - so I order 2 off 72119084 which EPC lists as IDENT L3 chassis Y1000001 -> WITH MOUNTING PARTS.
Mounting parts for a saloon should be (p/n 90487540) which EPC says includes....
90447244 = 2 x upper & lower washers
90447245 = 1 x top mount lower rubber
90486006 = 1 x top mount upper rubber
90334270 = 1 x metal bush insert
11094313 = 1 x lock nut
The shock's duly arrive, and tonight I embark on the 'simple' job of fitting them. But, no! The shox boxes only include the upper and lower rubbers, and the lock nut. No sign of the upper and lower washers, or the metal insert bush, and the old ones are rusted solid to the old shox of course >:(. What odds are there of my dealer having 90447244 and 90334270 in stock so I can complete the job tomorrow.
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See Mickeyboys post in For sale :y
Might not be tomorrow, but will be quicker than Vx backorder ;)
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See Mickeyboys post in For sale :y
Might not be tomorrow, but will be quicker than Vx backorder ;)
Are you saying 90334270 (the insert) is on back order? Or the whole kit? Not bothered about the washers - there is an omega elite estate in a local scrappy I can rob for them if necessary. There are a few other bits I need so I was going to pop into the local VX dealer tomorrow, but for-warned is forearmed.
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Mick has two complete sets of 90487540, brand new and unfitted... See Cautionary Note thread in Gen Car Chat...
Ordered from Vx and they'll be a few days and you might need to buy a pack of five of each ;)
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Mick has two complete sets of 90487540, brand new and unfitted...
I've bagsied these hopefully :)
See Cautionary Note thread in Gen Car Chat...
Yes - car is going into the body shop shortly for sills and rear wheel arches, but needs an MOT to get to the body shop, and the MOT runs out next week. So body shop can look at the turrets then, but just need any old 'bodge' to get it there.
Ordered from Vx and they'll be a few days and you might need to buy a pack of five of each ;)
So not "on back order" (i.e. many weeks wait) - just "got to come from Germany" i.e. a couple of days?
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1. Nice one.
2. Was more as an explanation as to how they came to be available... ie the consideration of fitting non Gm shocks.
3. Don't know as not a Vauxhall Parts desk, last ones I ordered were a week away, believe Mick waited a while for his bits too :-\
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2. Was more as an explanation as to how they came to be available... ie the consideration of fitting non Gm shocks
Ah - ok. I'm using genuine Vx shocks - £80+VAT a pop, including (parts of!) the required mounting kits.
3. Don't know as not a Vauxhall Parts desk, last ones I ordered were a week away, believe Mick waited a while for his bits too :-\
Ok - will see what Vx say tomorrow. Have searched EPC and the spacer/bush appears to be used on lots of other types - Corsa C, Astra, Carlton, Senator etc, so there is an outside chance they'll have it on the shelf (where's the flying pig emoticon?)
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Lol... Be aware that saloon bushes are longer than estate, but I like the reasoning :y
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Haven't come with mounting kits for year but a good parts bloke would know that :y
Andy
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Haven't come with mounting kits for year but a good parts bloke would know that :y
Andy
Oximoron alert ;D
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I found a section on the new Astra J listing the other day where all the right hand side bumper brackets hadn't been listed!
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UPDATE : All parts are available from Germany, so typically 5-7 days. The metal washers and bushes come in packs of 5.
I'm off up the scrappy at lunchtime to see what I can find. Wish I knew what a Corsa B or Vectra A was.
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Bush length is critical.
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(http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/width/640/uploads/carimgs/422_2.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Vauxhall_Cavalier_III_Notchback_next_to_Cav_II.jpg)
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Bush length is critical.
Yes, but same part number (90334270) is listed against various versions of Carlton V87, Senator V88, Omega B V94, Corsa B S93, Tigra S93, Astra T85, Astra T92, Astra Classic M99, Calibra C89 and Chavalier J82. My copy of EPC is EPC2001, so there may be newer models too.
Trouble will be telling the versions of Astra and Corsa apart, and then getting the old shox off to get the bush out. And sod's law says I'll have to remove 10 to get one good one since they'll be rusted on anyway. And the car I'm on will be under a pile of 3 others so impossible to lift to get at the bottom shock mount. And it'll be muddy, raining and cold. What could possibly go wrong :P
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If it helps the ones from my shocks that I did the other day fell off ok, so perhaps yours being rusted solid to the old shocks isn't on every car, or maybe I was lucky. Also, just how 'rusted solid' are they? If it takes you half an hour to get the originals off and cleaned up and refitted vs 2 hours pratting around in a scrappy in the rain, then surely the former is a nobrainer?
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Success - I think. Scrappy has a P reg Corsa, and once I'd worked out how it came apart, I had everything off in 10 minutes.
I also now know that if you put a Corsa on the roof of a Vectra, and unbolt both Corsa rear shock top mounts, the whole rear axle swings down and smashes the rear window of the Vectra ;D
It did also rain and hail - but the scrappy is in Dreary Dorset and not Sunny Zummerset.
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Success - I think. Scrappy has a P reg Corsa, and once I'd worked out how it came apart, I had everything off in 10 minutes.
I also now know that if you put a Corsa on the roof of a Vectra, and unbolt both Corsa rear shock top mounts, the whole rear axle swings down and smashes the rear window of the Vectra ;D
It did also rain and hail - but the scrappy is in Dreary Dorset and not Sunny Zummerset.
hahah! :y Yes, I remember a similar thing happening to me, once, too. About a quarter of a second after the thought entered my head of "hang on, when this nut comes off here, I wonder if that means th-" SMASHHHH!!!
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Grrrrr. Failed the MOT on leaking rear shox. Fair enough - so I order 2 off 72119084 which EPC lists as IDENT L3 chassis Y1000001 -> WITH MOUNTING PARTS.
Mounting parts for a saloon should be (p/n 90487540) which EPC says includes....
90447244 = 2 x upper & lower washers
90447245 = 1 x top mount lower rubber
90486006 = 1 x top mount upper rubber
90334270 = 1 x metal bush insert
11094313 = 1 x lock nut
The shock's duly arrive, and tonight I embark on the 'simple' job of fitting them. But, no! The shox boxes only include the upper and lower rubbers, and the lock nut. No sign of the upper and lower washers, or the metal insert bush, and the old ones are rusted solid to the old shox of course >:(. What odds are there of my dealer having 90447244 and 90334270 in stock so I can complete the job tomorrow.
I found soaking with penetrating oil and persuasion with Sammy jr and a drift worked for me. :y
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Just to ask - which is the part that is 'of issue'?
I've fitted my B4s with the kit provided without even considering that I might be fitting low quality components. (and have to say personally delighted with the result - car handles like a dream) however I still have my old bits n bobs left over.
The large washer-type things, well two of mine were rusty as hell (the bits exposed in the wheelarch) wheras two of the four were in very nice nick (inside the boot) then there's the metal tubes, well I am struggling to see what could be wrong with these, in terms of quality, same for the nuts, so I'm guessing that the part that's the 'problem child' here is the rubber parts top and bottom, but these are already acquired.
Is there an issue with using original Vx rubbers with Bilstein tube, large washer and nut?
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The supplied Bilstein mounting is very cheaply made compared to the originals. The issue is that the GM lower rubber and metal tube are too long to fit the threaded part of the rod, the GM rods are at least a half inch longer.
The GM supplied nut is useless as the threads are different.
The solution is to use the GM estate lower rubber and corresponding tube with the GM washers and upper rubber and the supplied Bilstein nut.
The result is a perfect fit and a far more satisfactory mounting than the Bilstein one :y
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If the tube is too long why can't you shorten it to suit the new shock? A hacksaw will do the job in seconds even if you're careful to cut squarely.
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If the tube is too long why can't you shorten it to suit the new shock? A hacksaw will do the job in seconds even if you're careful to cut squarely.
The bush is also too long...
As seen here...
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y486/05omegav6/IMG_20150426_132411_zpsntty7br9.jpg)
And still far more substantial than... the Bilstein supplied kit...
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y486/05omegav6/IMG_20150426_133207_zpsdbjietdt.jpg)