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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Crazycarzowner on 30 June 2015, 20:17:21
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For seizing a car from a male who had his whole family in the car and was off to sunny Blackpool for a day out.
Sun Block - Check
Buckets & spades - Check
Deck chairs - Check
Football - Check
Picnic - Check
Insurance - Erm..............Nope >:( >:( >:( >:( Hadn't paid it since February >:( >:( >:(
So off it went on the back of a recovery truck & so did he, £300 worse of and 6 points on his license.
Is it MY fault????????????
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Well done :y
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Lmfao, good on you,do you pay his insurance err nope,thats down to him,but atleast he wont be on the road for a bit :y
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To be fair, if he didn't make it Blackpool, you probably did him a major favour :y
Good on you for taking these tools off the road.
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Isn't it marvellous how people will knowingly break the law and then complain at the police when they get nicked for it??
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Only thing I felt guilty about is the two big tears down the little girls face :'( :'( :'( as 'The Nasty Man' took the car away!!!
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Unfortunate that the child ended up disappointed,but riding in an uninsured car was doing her no great favour either.
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Nasty man ??? But the children learned a lesson about insurance and the law, and the father wont forget to pay his insurance again,
The school of life at its best :)
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Oh I certainly sent him away with a flea in his ear.......Stupid great twonk he was!!!
His insurance company even told me that they'd sent 3 reminders to his address & he'd spoke to them over the phone about it. He went bright red when I told him of our discussion because he swore blind he had no correspondence from them. Hard to deny when they're on the other end of a phone!!!
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I can`t believe that he has young children and is still prepared to take them out uninsured :-\
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Only thing I felt guilty about is the two big tears down the little girls face :'( :'( :'( as 'The Nasty Man' took the car away!!!
To show her what a naughty daddy she had, you should have given his arse a good smacking.
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Only thing I felt guilty about is the two big tears down the little girls face :'( :'( :'( as 'The Nasty Man' took the car away!!!
To show her what a naughty daddy she had, you should have given his arse a good smacking.
He's off again...whos got his pills ;D :y
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Well done :y
agreed :y
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Good stuff. Need a lot more of you guys out there :y
Random off topic question for you Jason, can you or do you take any action for footage captured by other drivers?
Since I've started using the bike, the amount of people I've seen jump red lights, sometimes overtaking car in front to do so! Add in amount of mobile phone users in traffic, aggressive driving ect.
If you are passed good quality footage, is it acted on? Or is there just too much of it?
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Erm..... In answer to your question tunnie......not that I'm aware of & when what is involved explained to folks not many offer. If there is a fatal or serious RTC and someone came forward with CCTV then yes we would use it, but bear in mind that the whole unit would be seized in evidence. Take that into consideration & not many people would allow their mobile / CCTV cam be scrutinised & kept for 6 months or so till the court date & then give evidence etc....
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No I guess not! ;D
Thanks. Just wondering as I see so many bikers with go pros or bullet cams, wondered if video captured could be used.
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They are mainly used for insurance purposes now......Where you can prove blame.......theres a claim!!!
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Not decrying you at all Jason, but is really annoying that the average law abiding citizen can provide evidence of the idiots that cause death and destruction to others, get away scott free, because some jumped lawyer can stand up in court and ridicule the evidence.
Most people support the police, and frown on the cuts to 'visable' policing, so its no wonder morale within the public is low, or even aggresive towards the police.
In many other situations, we are encouraged to 'shop' your neighbour ( benefit fraud, etc) but motorists 'caught in the act,' goes to the back shelf >:(
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Not decrying you at all Jason, but is really annoying that the average law abiding citizen can provide evidence of the idiots that cause death and destruction to others, get away scott free, because some jumped lawyer can stand up in court and ridicule the evidence.
Most people support the police, and frown on the cuts to 'visable' policing, so its no wonder morale within the public is low, or even aggresive towards the police.
In many other situations, we are encouraged to 'shop' your neighbour ( benefit fraud, etc) but motorists 'caught in the act,' goes to the back shelf >:(
I`ve been tempted to shop the odd loony driving like a complete nutter >:( in their works van. "How am I driving" .........well to be honest mate you`ve just done an illegal U-turn & driven the wrong way down a one-way street :o & I`ve got it on
camera.
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Not decrying you at all Jason, but is really annoying that the average law abiding citizen can provide evidence of the idiots that cause death and destruction to others, get away scott free, because some jumped lawyer can stand up in court and ridicule the evidence.
Most people support the police, and frown on the cuts to 'visable' policing, so its no wonder morale within the public is low, or even aggresive towards the police.
In many other situations, we are encouraged to 'shop' your neighbour ( benefit fraud, etc) but motorists 'caught in the act,' goes to the back shelf >:(
But - the law is that (if not stopped at the scene) the Recorded Keeper must be served with a Notice of Intended Prosecution (aka NIP) within 14 days from the date of the offense. If you really want the police to act on something you've videoed you need to get the video to them pronto, so that they can lookup the RK and issue the required NIP within time.
Reporting something that someone else has posted on YouTube is never going to work.
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... but bear in mind that the whole unit would be seized in evidence.
Not strictly true, the ACPO guidelines state that 'best evidence' is the original item. However there are exemptions made to allow copies be to made and used as primary evidence.
When you use footage from your in car camera in court, do you remove all the recording equipment and camera from the car and take it to court? No. You remove the video tape/dvd/memory card and then probably back that up to DVD/HDD which is later used in court.
Still minor point and keep up the good work.
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I just hope that the dad can actually sit down and explain that it is his fault that the man - who isn't a 'nasty man' at all, but there to try and look after and protect you - took their car away. And it's important for other people's safety that he/we all pay what we are legally supposed to.
If you are able to say, Jasonm, may I ask what the fine/penalty was, and is it more or less than the cost of his car insurance? I ask as I used to see lots of people in the paper with frankly low fines for driving without insurance, almost certainly lower than their insurance would have cost, so in those cases it 'payed' to break the law, sadly.
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The penaltyis 6 points on the license, £300 fine, £150 to release the car & £15 daily storage costs.
No the whole recording unit is not removed from our cars (which we don't have anyway) it would be taken to have the drive removed and a replacement put in.
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Good to know... That's total is £28 less than Admiral wanted for me to insure with them for this year's renewal :y
Also, out of interest, what happens if the driver doesn't have a licence? (I do have licence, by the way! :D) re: the points? Cheers, and as a note I'm in full support of your actions, by the way :)
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If he had no license, then I wouldn't be able to give him a ticket. Therefore he'd be summonsed to court for both offences.
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And, daft question (I am genuinely interested in legislation/ the law) what would be the theoretical/your best guess outcome of that?
Obviously no points on his license, as he doesn't have one; presumably he would/could claim he's on a low income, and so forth, so what would the fine/penalty be? ta :y
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The penaltyis 6 points on the license, £300 fine, £150 to release the car & £15 daily storage costs.
No the whole recording unit is not removed from our cars (which we don't have anyway) it would be taken to have the drive removed and a replacement put in.
Unless it has changed since we did police jobs, the car has to be insured with the paperwork to prove it if it is to be driven away.
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Good stuff. Need a lot more of you guys out there :y
Random off topic question for you Jason, can you or do you take any action for footage captured by other drivers?
Since I've started using the bike, the amount of people I've seen jump red lights, sometimes overtaking car in front to do so! Add in amount of mobile phone users in traffic, aggressive driving ect.
If you are passed good quality footage, is it acted on? Or is there just too much of it?
GRASS
haha only joking,yes there is some serious stuff caught on dash camsd and the like
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Good to see motorists who are illegally driving are getting caught and punished. Keep up the good work. :y :y :y :y
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All this praise for Jason is fine, and well deserved, but........for every one that gets stopped, I'll bet there are ten who don't. With all the cutbacks you hardly see any patrol cars nowadays, just when they are racing to an incident.
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Don't courts impose points/bans on people who don't have a licence,basically on the assumption that someday they'll apply for one and then the points/ban will kick in?Also other than the on the spot fine/court fine wouldn't an offenders future insurance premium be adversely affected too?
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All this praise for Jason is fine, and well deserved, but........for every one that gets stopped, I'll bet there are ten who don't. With all the cutbacks you hardly see any patrol cars nowadays, just when they are racing to an incident.
Yes, good point...... :y
I find it worrying how I am agreeing more and more with you Steve, must be a retirement thing, best get a new job............ :D :D :y
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All this praise for Jason is fine, and well deserved, but........for every one that gets stopped, I'll bet there are ten thousand who don't. With all the cutbacks you hardly see any patrol cars nowadays, just when they are racing to an incident.
Fixed. Sadly :'(
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Insurers used to say 1 out of 3 cars wasn't insured. I've been on an op today 17 cars taken off the road for one thing or another. Really got me teeth into it today.
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Now having a well deserved kebab!
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Do ANPR cameras flag up uninsured drivers or are they only used for vehicle duty offences? :-\
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Yup, uninsured are flagged up! :y :y :y
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Now having a well deserved kebab!
Enjoy............ ;) :y :y
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Yup, uninsured are flagged up! :y :y :y
Are all cars equipped with ANPR or only trafpol?
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Just us traffic monkeys aaronjb :D :D :D
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;D ;D Right so I just need to keep clear of you and I'll be f... I mean, er...
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Do ANPR cameras flag up uninsured drivers or are they only used for vehicle duty offences? :-\
Despite what Jason says, the answer is no. They flag up uninsured vehicles, not uninsured drivers. Even if the vehicle is insured, the driver may not be. Until they pass a law that all drivers must have a chip/barcode embedded in their foreheads that's readable from 100m there will not be a way of telling automatically if the driver is insured.
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Do ANPR cameras flag up uninsured drivers or are they only used for vehicle duty offences? :-\
Despite what Jason says, the answer is no. They flag up uninsured vehicles, not uninsured drivers. Even if the vehicle is insured, the driver may not be. Until they pass a law that all drivers must have a chip/barcode embedded in their foreheads that's readable from 100m there will not be a way of telling automatically if the driver is insured.
Now that's an excellent idea, when caught, tattoo the letter abbreviation "Can't Usee No Tax" on their foreheads, now that would be an excellent visual deterrent. ;D ;D ;D ;D