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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: HolyCount on 24 May 2008, 19:13:14
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As we are getting so many LPG related threads, is there any mileage in having an LPG section, so that those intersted can find it all in one place --- and those not interested can avoid it !?
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not sure we warrant it at this stage? same way we dont need seperate petrol and diesel sections?
views?
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how many people on here own an Omega who runs on LPG and how many people have knowledge of LPG? :y
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I don't think the forum should be split ... they are all Omegas .... :)
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I don't think the forum should be split ... they are all Omegas .... :)
I agree :y
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fairy snuff --- good points :)
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Hi All, Regarding the L.P.G i think all of us who can get converted should because it will be cheaper to run our superb luxury babes and will want us, Financially,to be able to keep more on the road.
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I don't think the forum should be split ... they are all Omegas .... :)
I agree :y
I agree ....... but........ your not talking of splitting the forum only adding a new section to the Forum. We ARE all omegas.
Whether LPG, Petrol or Diesel mostly everything else is the same and the forum can hopefully help with it.
Go for it make a LPG section :y :y :y
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I don't think the forum should be split ... they are all Omegas .... :)
I agree :y
I agree ....... but........ your not talking of splitting the forum only adding a new section to the Forum. We ARE all omegas.
Whether LPG, Petrol or Diesel mostly everything else is the same and the forum can hopefully help with it.
Go for it make a LPG section :y :y :y
Personally not convinced, but I'll see how this thread goes...
We don't have seperate sections for petrol or diesel, and its never been a problem :-/
As said though, its certainly not my decision to make, but if there is reasonable support, I will support the idea.
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I think it is a really good idea....
We are starting to see a lot of queries about LPG, and there is a lot of knowledge her on how to do it and some of the issues, we have in the past had repeats of the same common questions, i see it as a reference that people who have LPG or are looking to convert can see easily.
I know you can do a search, how many times do we see people posting queries and it is clear that have not used search
The reason why there hasn't been a demand for petrol or Diesel sections is because the cars came with it a standard and so they get dealt with in the help sections, LPG is different in that respect.
I don't know how hard this would be to do, why not make is a subsection to general help, see how it goes, give it say 2 months, if it dies a death then merge it into general help and let it slip down the forum?
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I think its a good idea.
Would it be easier to have it as sticky thread that sits at the top of the help page, similar to the legal questions one in general chat??
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I think its a good idea.
Would it be easier to have it as sticky thread that sits at the top of the help page, similar to the legal questions one in general chat??[/quote]
Maybe the case, but the legal question thread is getting like the "add 3 words" and carry on the story thread. If you click on all pages, it takes ages to load.
So I think an LPG thread like that could be worse.
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I think some way of consolidating all the LPG related threads would be good. There is information scattered all over the forum at the moment. Maybe a separate section would be the answer.
Alternatively, perhaps a few of us who have dabbled should put together a HOWTO / FAQ document which we could use in response to questions, and add to as we gain experience?
It's a subject where the knowledge needs to be more organised on the Forum. Not sure it's "big" enough to need its' own section. :-/
Kevin
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only a newy but i could not help thinking, during my search for info on lpg, that an lpg section may be helpfull.
lpg is an adition to exhisting, so i do not think the petrol/diesel argument stands up, esp. as its of no use to diesel owners. You might argue that you can not fit a diesel conversion for example? i wonder whats the ratio of lpg/diesel owners,i would bet (only a pound mind) more people own and more importantly, are looking into lpg, esp. with the current fuel problems.
i have searched a phew topics and have not found my info, usually because (having eventually found it by trauling through)i was not accurate enough with term or phrase. So from the outside i would say good idea. I came to this section to post exactly that, and found this thread. :y
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only a newy but i could not help thinking, during my search for info on lpg, that an lpg section may be helpfull.
lpg is an adition to exhisting, so i do not think the petrol/diesel argument stands up, esp. as its of no use to diesel owners. You might argue that you can not fit a diesel conversion for example? i wonder whats the ratio of lpg/diesel owners,i would bet (only a pound mind) more people own and more importantly, are looking into lpg, esp. with the current fuel problems.
i have searched a phew topics and have not found my info, usually because (having eventually found it by trauling through)i was not accurate enough with term or phrase. So from the outside i would say good idea. I came to this section to post exactly that, and found this thread. :y
Excellent feedback :y
Valid points (though you can run diesels with a proportion of gas ;)). I would suspect more tractor owners than lpg, but thats not the point...
Before we will add a seperate section, we have to be certain that it of benefit to a significant number of members, else we would be adding small sections for everything, if that makes sense. And I don't think we're big enough to split up the community that much yet?
If the demand is there from a reasonable proportion of membership, then it will get added though - this is your site :y
Anyone else think a seperate section is warranted?
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My thoughs (always a BAAAAD thing when my wheels start to turn) is that an LPG section would be an advantage - BUT - would need to be a tech help type thing and not open a door for a seperate lpg chat room. A fair proportion of the old stagers here have already been there, done that elsewhere, hence OOF...
Agree in principle, but would not want it to become a self supporting offshoot of what is already a very good community and thus detract from the whole.....
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only a newy but i could not help thinking, during my search for info on lpg, that an lpg section may be helpfull.
lpg is an adition to exhisting, so i do not think the petrol/diesel argument stands up, esp. as its of no use to diesel owners. You might argue that you can not fit a diesel conversion for example? i wonder whats the ratio of lpg/diesel owners,i would bet (only a pound mind) more people own and more importantly, are looking into lpg, esp. with the current fuel problems.
i have searched a phew topics and have not found my info, usually because (having eventually found it by trauling through)i was not accurate enough with term or phrase. So from the outside i would say good idea. I came to this section to post exactly that, and found this thread. :y
Excellent feedback :y
Valid points (though you can run diesels with a proportion of gas ;)). I would suspect more tractor owners than lpg, but thats not the point...
Before we will add a seperate section, we have to be certain that it of benefit to a significant number of members, else we would be adding small sections for everything, if that makes sense. [/color] And I don't think we're big enough to split up the community that much yet?
If the demand is there from a reasonable proportion of membership, then it will get added though - this is your site :y
Anyone else think a seperate section is warranted?
Yeah,see your point, Diesel ownres will be next up maybe. Anyway done my vote. anyone else, for or against?
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reasons are that there would end up being lasts posts about the same thing as the already asked lpg questions will be in plan view and easy to get to.
i dont beleive it would split oof but be like the electrics section of the home page.
there is my pennys worth! :)
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poll added
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Remember, the software we use does not allow sub boards, so cannot be its own section under Omega Help, it has to be its own board in its own right.
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ahh right.......
So the other alternative would be to have one huge LPG thread as a sticky, like the legal one
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ahh right.......
So the other alternative would be to have one huge LPG thread as a sticky, like the legal one
Its either a new board, similar to ICE section, or a sticky thread somewhere.
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Just my thoughts ...
Looking at how much stuff the Mods have to move about to get into the "correct" section at the moment, with a fairly simple structure, I see a lot more having to be moved if the structure gets complicated. There just happens to be a lot of interest in LPG, at the moment due to fuel prices/shortages .. will that interest continue enough to warrant its own board ??
Once LPG gets its own board, won't the tractor drivers want a "diesel" section for equality ??? ... then the 4 pots will ask for one etc etc etc...
I just think it MAY become devisive.... :(
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Tell the 4 pot owners to run and jump ;D
Ack.. no...don't..... I don't own a V6 anymore!!
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Just my thoughts ...
Looking at how much stuff the Mods have to move about to get into the "correct" section at the moment, with a fairly simple structure, I see a lot more having to be moved if the structure gets complicated. There just happens to be a lot of interest in LPG, at the moment due to fuel prices/shortages .. will that interest continue enough to warrant its own board ??
Once LPG gets its own board, won't the tractor drivers want a "diesel" section for equality ??? ... then the 4 pots will ask for one etc etc etc...
I just think it MAY become devisive.... :(
over the last ear there has been a growing mass of queries relating to LPG, some of them are driven a bit more by the growing price of petrol.
Lots of the queries that relate to LPG are what kit to buy or how hard is it to convert, again the issue is that there is no generic way of installing this kit, it is down to the car and the spec.
It would be great if we could devise a document/thread that contained all the info required, however there does seem to be a lot of questions that still come up.
personally i believe that a sticky would be better than a complete section. In time we would then build a very comprehensive thread and is would reduce the amount of different threads with the same info/requests.
The reason why i don't believe we wont get this with Petrol 4/6 cyl and Diesels is because general help will deal with those issues, LPG was never a standard fitting and so that generates more queries at a basic level
hope that makes sense :-/
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I think there is enough traffic for another section, like meetings and suggestions.
We could fill it simply moving threads, and LPG won't go away for quite a while
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I think that the LPG should have a sticky in the General Help.
There is enough intrest to keep all the LPG enquires together.
I have LPG and so do quite a few members from what i've seen. I personally don't think that we would be splitting the forum.
Made my vote up to the Admin now
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I think there's another way to look at it - from the majority side of things.
Do non-LPG OOFers object to the number of LPG threads? If it starts cluttering up the board too much, then its time to look at running a seperate one.
You could almost run the same rules on a HBV...but at least LPG is a big enough word to be searchable (unlike TC - too few letters).
Best it stays in one place - whether its in the General Help (most obvious place - although some threads pop up in General Chat) or its own forum.
I think it should be treated not by its specific nature, but rather by the thread count..if it was taking up 30% of threads in a section, then it needs its own TBH.
Personally, make no odds to me (although i'm in LPG transition mode, so could be biased), but am a mod on another forum and it annoys me when a new section is created (by request!) then gets no posts at all! OK, thats not going to happen with an LPG section...
For now, if "LPG" is put at the front of the thread title, then its hardly difficult to miss..
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How we going on this then??????
Can we have a seperate section??? It would be a great help, espically with the amount of people starting/thinking about converting there cars :-/
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I think there's another way to look at it - from the majority side of things.
Do non-LPG OOFers object to the number of LPG threads? If it starts cluttering up the board too much, then its time to look at running a seperate one.
You could almost run the same rules on a HBV...but at least LPG is a big enough word to be searchable (unlike TC - too few letters).
Best it stays in one place - whether its in the General Help (most obvious place - although some threads pop up in General Chat) or its own forum.
I think it should be treated not by its specific nature, but rather by the thread count..if it was taking up 30% of threads in a section, then it needs its own TBH.
Personally, make no odds to me (although i'm in LPG transition mode, so could be biased), but am a mod on another forum and it annoys me when a new section is created (by request!) then gets no posts at all! OK, thats not going to happen with an LPG section...
For now, if "LPG" is put at the front of the thread title, then its hardly difficult to miss..
where we run the risk is duplication, something that we are starting to see already with requests for wiring codes for example.
I am wondering if, as an experiment we cant have an LPG sticky within the Technical side, in there we try and contain all the information we have gained to date from the installs that have been done, if the traffic is there the consider having an LPG section.
So far we have info on installs for 2.0, 2.5, 2.6, 3.2 and both saloons and estates, we have a lot of it covered.
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How about someone compiling a sticky for the top of General Help with a few pointers? Perhaps a sticky at the top might make life easier - and saves the "New Section" argument until the thread reaches 17 pages....
Sort of a half way house - except it has the risk of less informative posts making it hard to read. Try it and see how it goes?
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Spooky, Jay...great minds think alike, eh? [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Rather than a sticky in general chat, I think we should have a LPG thread in the maintenance guides or HOWTO section, and a few of us who have "trodden the path" should keep it up to date, adding answers to any valid questions that arise elsewhere on the forum.
It will develop into a reference that we can refer posters to. Granted, it won't allow "LPG chat" but I'm not sure that's the main requirement. It will tidy up all of the general enquiries about LPG costs, fitting, etc and "which ECU pin does xxx connect to?" questions though.
Obviously, having suggested it, I'm happy to do a brain dump into it. :y
Kevin
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Rather than a sticky in general chat, I think we should have a LPG thread in the maintenance guides or HOWTO section, and a few of us who have "trodden the path" should keep it up to date, adding answers to any valid questions that arise elsewhere on the forum.
It will develop into a reference that we can refer posters to. Granted, it won't allow "LPG chat" but I'm not sure that's the main requirement. It will tidy up all of the general enquiries about LPG costs, fitting, etc and "which ECU pin does xxx connect to?" questions though.
Obviously, having suggested it, I'm happy to do a brain dump into it. :y
Kevin
That sounds like a plan, and could be done by anyone and then just put in by the admins :y
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Whilst I can see both sides of the argument here, I personally feel that a section of it's own, or at least a sub section, is justified. Lpg running does require some specialist thingu which the standard mig doesn't have and also throws up problems unique to lpg power. At least in its own section other people who aren't interested can bypass it!
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Please Admins.......pretty please :D
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Whilst I can see both sides of the argument here, I personally feel that a section of it's own, or at least a sub section, is justified. Lpg running does require some specialist thingu which the standard mig doesn't have and also throws up problems unique to lpg power. At least in its own section other people who aren't interested can bypass it!
As do diesel engines. And Petrol engines. And 4 pots. And V6. And TD lump.
Adding that lot would make it a mess, hence we need to carefully consider whats best.
Rapid 'lets make another section without considering consequences' lead to the messy layout we have now, which we're looking at fixing before any new ones made.
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Whilst I can see both sides of the argument here, I personally feel that a section of it's own, or at least a sub section, is justified. Lpg running does require some specialist thingu which the standard mig doesn't have and also throws up problems unique to lpg power. At least in its own section other people who aren't interested can bypass it!
As do diesel engines. And Petrol engines. And 4 pots. And V6. And TD lump.
Adding that lot would make it a mess, hence we need to carefully consider whats best.
Rapid 'lets make another section without considering consequences' lead to the messy layout we have now, which we're looking at fixing before any new ones made.
Fair comment... Although I don't think the layout is particularly messy at the moment... In fact, it's considerably better than many other forums I have looked at/joined!
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Whilst I can see both sides of the argument here, I personally feel that a section of it's own, or at least a sub section, is justified. Lpg running does require some specialist thingu which the standard mig doesn't have and also throws up problems unique to lpg power. At least in its own section other people who aren't interested can bypass it!
As do diesel engines. And Petrol engines. And 4 pots. And V6. And TD lump.
Adding that lot would make it a mess, hence we need to carefully consider whats best.
Rapid 'lets make another section without considering consequences' lead to the messy layout we have now, which we're looking at fixing before any new ones made.
Views understood and for the most appreciated, but I think it's fair to say that an LPG section would be a lot more relavent and useful to a car forum, (which I guess is the sites aim?) than the majority of the content in General chat...
This sounds very harsh, but if we can have a section which is used largely for having a laugh and building the community (general chat) - and we can have one for In car Entertainment, then I think an LPG one is equally as justified.
If we wanted to reduce the number of boards, I would consider merging the maintenance guide and technical information boards.
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Whilst I can see both sides of the argument here, I personally feel that a section of it's own, or at least a sub section, is justified. Lpg running does require some specialist thingu which the standard mig doesn't have and also throws up problems unique to lpg power. At least in its own section other people who aren't interested can bypass it!
As do diesel engines. And Petrol engines. And 4 pots. And V6. And TD lump.
Adding that lot would make it a mess, hence we need to carefully consider whats best.
Rapid 'lets make another section without considering consequences' lead to the messy layout we have now, which we're looking at fixing before any new ones made.
Views understood and for the most appreciated, but I think it's fair to say that an LPG section would be a lot more relavent and useful to a car forum, (which I guess is the sites aim?) than the majority of the content in General chat...
This sounds very harsh, but if we can have a section which is used largely for having a laugh and building the community (general chat) - and we can have one for In car Entertainment, then I think an LPG one is equally as justified.
If we wanted to reduce the number of boards, I would consider merging the maintenance guide and technical information boards.
But the same stretches for fuel types. So you want one for LPG? I want one for diesel, being a tractor owner, and I'm sure the petrol boys will want one as well. Do you want to be scrolling through and flicking between many boards like that?
I am certainly not against the idea, nor are the other Admins, I think we just need convincing that it is justified. If it is justified, then the Admins need to consider the consequences of doing it before final decision is made.
TBH, I think a FAQ type thread would suit better :-/
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OH, and General Chat is most definately staying, not up for discussion. It is key to the community here.
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OH, and General Chat is most definately staying, not up for discussion. It is key to the community here.
Didn't say it shouldn't stay - every forum needs a general area!
How about merging maintenance guides and technical info sections?
Thing is, petrol engines, diesel engines etc, is all standard fitment -
LPG isn't, with lots more variables, different kit types, and therefore lots of new questions come up, which haven't been asked before.
Whereas with the V6/TD/16V engines you can bet your life if you do a good search the query will have been addressed on the forum before.
I'm not going to campaign for an LPG section, but I do think it would be useful to many.
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Just to add - a sticky in General help would be better than nothing.
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OH, and General Chat is most definately staying, not up for discussion. It is key to the community here.
Didn't say it shouldn't stay - every forum needs a general area!
How about merging maintenance guides and technical info sections?
Thing is, petrol engines, diesel engines etc, is all standard fitment -
LPG isn't, with lots more variables, different kit types, and therefore lots of new questions come up, which haven't been asked before.
Whereas with the V6/TD/16V engines you can bet your life if you do a good search the query will have been addressed on the forum before.
I'm not going to campaign for an LPG section, but I do think it would be useful to many.
Playing devils advocate here, so bear with me...
Std fitment engines are more common, hence surely should have their own sections. LPG fitted to probably less than 5% of our cars. Hardly warrants a section.
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Just to add - a sticky in General help would be better than nothing.
I disagree entirely. Stickies are pointless, and useless. Nobody reads them, and they just take up space on the 1st page.
All stickies should be banned! Trouble is, I'm outvoted on that one :-[
If a thread is popular enough, it will keep itself up. As threads get longer, people can't be bothered, and they naturely die. Stickies bypass the dying phase.
Take a look at the 'Legal' thread in genchat. Nobody really looks at it.
Take a look at the Forum Guidelines thread in every section - no bugger reads that either >:(
Fortuantely, we have a good Admin mob who can normally see a wider picture (I hate wankwords), so can lead to good pros/cons of ideas, rather than just create stuff without consideration of outcome, which would just end up with a tangled mess of nothing.
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Perhaps some sort of locked thread dropped in FAQ with all the titbits? That seems to be the usual hiding place for "once in a while" useful info - but leave questions still in General. When a handy bit of info pops up, can the mods add to a locked post?
The idea of locking is so it doesn't get unnecessarily full of non-informational stuff which makes reading it difficult. FAQ because it doesn't run to 27 pages and will be easy to find..
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I am particularly bad at filing and hence finding things is a nightmare. I would like to have easily acessable places in a tree structure where I can go to find out answers to questions I have about LPG, and maybe ask a couple of queries. Like for example, where abouts do you drill the manifold. Several people have converted 4 pots, but the whereabouts of the nozzles has'nt been shown. This would be helpful, also some discussion about different types of system, eg Jeremy's seems to be the most popular at pres but how about the other systems ?, Romano and OMVL are both very popular. OK, I am probably describing a seperate web site here, but its just what I think would be good. How it gets implemented has to be up to TB as he knows how it can be implemented.
I'm just thinking, the general help section is quite long, yet contains a wealth of info. Its a shame it can't be categorised so making searching a bit easier, eg cooling, won't start, fuse blown sort of thing. If you can categorise things they become a bit easier to navigate and hence find info from the wealth contained there. Not like ebay's search engine. I typed in capacitors, and it gave me several auctions for resistors :-X
Ken
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Ken ... not wishing to teach you to suck eggs .... but have you tried using google search on the forum ???
If you go to google .. www.google.co.uk
click "advanced search"
then in the very bottom box, - Search within a site or domain: - type www.omegaowners.com
then put your search criteria in the top boxes,
you'll find it is a very, very good search method for stuff on the site.. :y :y
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Thanks for that, I hadn't thought of using google to search the forum, very good idea. I have found sometimes that google is better at searching ebay than ebay is ;D ;D
Ken
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Ken ... not wishing to teach you to suck eggs .... but have you tried using google search on the forum ???
If you go to google .. www.google.co.uk
click "advanced search"
then in the very bottom box, - Search within a site or domain: - type www.omegaowners.com
then put your search criteria in the top boxes,
you'll find it is a very, very good search method for stuff on the site.. :y :y
Me niether, thank you entwood :y :y