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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: terry paget on 28 July 2015, 11:02:47
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The 2000 PFL 2.5 CDX estate I have bought came with one serious declared fault - rear door windows do not work. I hopd it would be a fuse, not so. Vendor told me glass had become separated from mechanism, windows had fallen open, so Portuguese mechanic had spragged glasses up with wood to make car secure.
I am scrapping my 2.5 2000 CDX facelift saloon. Will the doors off that fit the PFL 2000 CDX estate? They are the wrong colour, and the trim strip is different, but a can of spray would correct that. Please advise.
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Yes. they're exactly the same.... ish
As I understand it there is a fractional difference in the loom, and it may be there's a larger hole to accommodate this on the FL doors, however, if you're putting FL onto PFL this should post no problem. The connections on the loom I have read (but never seen for myself) are alleged to be a different plug, so not literally a case of 'plug n play' - you'd have to change over the loom as well, though with the door all to pieces I can't imagine this to be much a difficult job.
So basically yes :)
I'm intending to do the same myself soon, fitting FL doors to my PFL.
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As said, the actual metal door is the same, its the additional bits that are fixed on that will be different, also check the window tint colour.
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I think one of the fixings that the back edge of the door card screws into is in a slightly different place but it can be moved
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Would just swapping out the window motors/window glass be a better option or have I read the origional fault wrong?
Keith b
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No - they aren't the same. The major differences are
1) The hole for the wiring loom is much larger on the post facelift than on the pre facelift.
2) The check strap hole is different.
3) The fixing of the outside door trim is different - slots on the post facelift, holes on the pre facelift.
4) The biggie - the metal door hinge is subtly different. They look the same at first glance, but if you fit a pre facelift door on a post facelift hinge, the door only opens about half way before it won't open any further. You have to angle grind the end stop lip off the door IIRC.
All the above can be sorted with the right tools, but given the choice, always try for the correct pre or post facelift rear door.
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I am scrapping my 2.5 2000 CDX facelift saloon. Will the doors off that fit the PFL 2000 CDX estate?
Oh - and saloon and estate rear doors are completely different too.
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I am scrapping my 2.5 2000 CDX facelift saloon. Will the doors off that fit the PFL 2000 CDX estate?
Oh - and saloon and estate rear doors are completely different too.
Glad someone spotted that ::)
Windows gubbins should be interchangeable though as the plug to the motor is the same and mounting points are identical :y
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Thank you gentlemen. I shall not go down that route.
I do not understand what happened to the window mechanisms. Both rear door windows are disconnected from the winders, and propped up by wood struts. I can hear the winder motors whirring when I press the switch, so the fault is some sort of uncoupling. It has happened to both doors. I know nothing about door window winders. Can anyone explain what has happened, and suggest if it is repairable?
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Presumably you have had to take the door cards off to prop up the windows. When my PFL window failed, the problem was obvious with the card off, and required a motor change, the motor still ran but the cable system was f@&%ed. :y
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Presumably you have had to take the door cards off to prop up the windows. When my PFL window failed, the problem was obvious with the card off, and required a motor change, the motor still ran but the cable system was f@&%ed. :y
What Shackeng says... Three rivets to replace, but obvious with door card off :y
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Presumably you have had to take the door cards off to prop up the windows. When my PFL window failed, the problem was obvious with the card off, and required a motor change, the motor still ran but the cable system was f@&%ed. :y
I have not had the door cards off. I bought the car in this state. The Portuguese mechanic did several interesting bodges on this car, which my vendor bought in Portugal to get his family and caravan back to England in February. Other jobs he did were the unusual coil pack change and relocation, and a wishbone change with the vertical rear bolts inserted upwards.
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That last one is a bodge and a half.and potentially dangerous... If the nut works loose, the the bolt is able to drop straight out with little or no warning. Not good.
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That last one is a bodge and a half.and potentially dangerous... If the nut works loose, the the bolt is able to drop straight out with little or no warning. Not good.
Point taken Al, though I have never known a wishbone nut work loose. I shall look out for it when under the car. My worry was how I should get it off next time, but I can always slacken it from above with long socket extensions.
On the window problem, I am puzzled why both windows should have failed in the same way.
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Possibly been broken into twice, forcing the mech to breaking point :-\
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Also plug for plug for the motors or door solenoids is different,can't remember which.
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Peeping out of my garage in my 'surfeit of Omegas' pic on July 6th were 2 PFL estates, a 1998 R reg GLS and a 2000 CDX, subject of this thread, both in blue. I have owned the R reg car for 11 years, it is the wife's car, and she is very fond of it. May I presume that the rear doors of that would fit my new 2000 CDX. It has wind up rear windows.
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Peeping out of my garage in my 'surfeit of Omegas' pic on July 6th were 2 PFL estates, a 1998 R reg GLS and a 2000 CDX, subject of this thread, both in blue. I have owned the R reg car for 11 years, it is the wife's car, and she is very fond of it. May I presume that the rear doors of that would fit my new 2000 CDX. It has wind up rear windows.
EPC lists 3 different door shells for Omega B estate depending on chassis number...
90460797/90460798 for chassis R1000001-T1000766 (superceeded to 90541740/90541743)
90563269/90563269 for chassis T1000767-X1999999
9147948/9147948 for chassis Y1000000 ->
My EPC only goes to 2001, but I think the Y chassis number is the facelift. If true, that means there are two possible pre facelift estate doors. If both your cars lie within the same chassis number range you should be Ok. If they're not then your guess is as good as mine.
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Thanks. R reg. is chassis no. 1243950; V reg. is 1080638. So I guess my two are not the same so not interchangeable.
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Thanks. R reg. is chassis no. 1243950; V reg. is 1080638. So I guess my two are not the same so not interchangeable.
It's the letter in the chassis number that matters. Every year (in September IIRC) the letter increases by one, and the seven digit number resets to 1000001. The Number plate letter is less important - it just shows when the car is registered with DVLA. So your 'R' reg might be chassis number T1243950, and your V reg chassis number Q1080638, in which case they'll both be the same.
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1998 car chassis no. is W0L0VBF35W1243950
2000 car chassis no. is W0L0VBM35X1080838
Does this help?
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1998 car chassis no. is W0L0VBF35W1243950
2000 car chassis no. is W0L0VBM35X1080838
Does this help?
The 1998 car is a body-type F35, W = 1998 model year, 1 = Russelheim, sequence number = 243950
The 2000 car is a body-type M35, X = 1999 model year, 1 = Russelheim, sequence number = 080838
I can't work out what the difference between a F35 and M35 is, but since the vin numbers both lie in the range T1000767 to X1999999, then they should both have the same doors.
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One has a sunroof, tother doesn't at a guess :-\
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Thank you gentlemen. Yes, Al, the CDX has a sun roof, he GLS has not. So should the GLS predecease the CDX I shall swap the rear doors.