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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Gaffers on 07 August 2015, 21:14:13
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Being a car forum I would be I terested in your opinions on this. Please though, remain factual and leave your feelings for cyclists out of it.
Who is at fault and why?
http://thecyclingbug.co.uk/bugfeed/videos/b/weblog/archive/2015/08/04/cyclist-vs-car.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook%20Post&utm_campaign=ad
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Car driver definitely at fault as it was clearly too narrow to pass the cyclist safely. :y
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It is the car drivers fault as you should only overtake a cyclist when it is safe to do so and you can leave an adequate amount of room, they clearly didn't do so. >:( >:( >:(
Any sensible driver would accept the 10 second delay by waiting behind the cyclist until past the roadworks, but many car drivers are quite happy to risk injuring or worse to other road users to save the 10 seconds where they are in such a hurry to get home to do nothing! :(
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The cyclist was way passed the roadworks when the idiot in the parked car opened his car door thus causing the cyclist to pull to the right by at least 4 foot and then he lost control of his bike by going further over to the right by at least a bikes lenght..approx 6 feet......and crossed the path of the following black cab who had nowhere to go...Sorry me lord but the guy who opened his car door without looking behind first..is an irresponsible pratt and is guilty of the accident..because had he not done that in the first place the accident would never have happened......take him to the cells.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Car driver definitely at fault as it was clearly too narrow to pass the cyclist safely. :y
At the point of contact...
The driver should not have passed, as directed by the sign. No arguments.
But... The cyclist was inviting the car to pass by virtue of his positioning. Also his manner of riding leaves alot to be desired, especially prior to the lights.
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But... his manner of riding leaves alot to be desired, especially prior to the lights.
yes i thought that with him pushing past inside the red car turning right. but on reviewing that bit the red car was in a marked cyclelane! and the red car was a golf.
not shown by the cameras but I gathered that the cyclist had his arm out and that was what the silver car hit. still sliver car in the wrong undoubtedly. however that sign 'do not overtake bicycles' was not very big or noticebale, i missed it first time.
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The cyclist was way passed the roadworks when the idiot in the parked car opened his car door thus causing the cyclist to pull to the right by at least 4 foot and then he lost control of his bike by going further over to the right by at least a bikes lenght..approx 6 feet......and crossed the path of the following black cab who had nowhere to go...Sorry me lord but the guy who opened his car door without looking behind first..is an irresponsible pratt and is guilty of the accident..because had he not done that in the first place the accident would never have happened......take him to the cells.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
rigth judgement, wrong video, wrong thread
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to me it looks like they both arrived at the same space at the same time. the cyclist was a bit far out but not that far. the biggest problem i have with it all is who ever put the roadworks up should be shot as there was plenty of space to create a lane that was wide enough for a car and a bike to use at the same time. also that no overtaking sign is way to small.
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Ha ha the funniest thing about that video is the stupid woman at the end!
"I'm not having my dogs victimised......" ;D ;D ;D
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I THINK...
6 of 1 half a dozen of t'other
The driver for trying to overtake on a road too narrow. And the cyclist for pulling out and assuming the position in the middle (almost) of the road.
That's how I see it anyways.
As for the arguing later...... blahblahblah ::)
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The cyclist cause he should have 4 wheels and a motor ;D ;D
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Interesting responses (the usual anti-cycling sh!te aside ::))
Here is my take that I posted on the original feed where somebody said that if he hadn't taken a swipe at the car he wouldn't have fallen:
He may have been or felt he was about to be off balance. I have been in situations like that and I had to use the vehicle to steadying myself. Inside it may seem like a hit whereas it might not have been. If I hit a car the people inside definitely feel it but that's normally because I am in a cycle lane and they are encroaching. Happens a lot on my commute.
But this wouldn't have happened if he hadn't tried to passive-aggressively intimidate the golf beforehand. It put him in the wrong place to take the correct position in order to be assertive enough on the following narrow stretch.
Poor cycling skills.
Dangerous driving.
His position was completely wrong, mostly due to trying to squeeze up the inside of the golf like a pillock. I agree he should have been able to get in front of it to get in the right position heading off (and that the golf should not have been where it was) but he should have gone on the outside. He then doesn't take primary position soon enough. I cannot see if he is looking over his shoulder or not or if he is indicating (which is what I do when taking primary on narrow stretches) or just assuming following traffic is going to let him come over at the last safe moment. Either way he is leaving himself little safety room.
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....the cyclist for pulling out and assuming the position in the middle (almost) of the road.
http://think.direct.gov.uk/cycling.html (http://think.direct.gov.uk/cycling.html)
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Car driver is ultimately at fault but the standard of riding demonstrated prior to the incident suggests the cyclist could also benefit from a road safety/awareness course ;)
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Car driver is ultimately at fault but the standard of riding demonstrated prior to the incident suggests the cyclist could also benefit from a road safety/awareness course ;)
I think that covers the whole incident pretty well.
Look at it this way: if it was a car being overtaken, then blaming anyone but the overtaker would be ridiculous.
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If he squeezes up the inside of trucks like he did the golf then he won't need any awareness courses as he'll be a smear under 30T of trailer..
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Car driver is ultimately at fault but the standard of riding demonstrated prior to the incident suggests the cyclist could also benefit from a road safety/awareness course ;)
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If he squeezes up the inside of trucks like he did the golf then he won't need any awareness courses as he'll be a smear under 30T of trailer..
Sad but true. Although, Darwin had a theory......
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....the cyclist for pulling out and assuming the position in the middle (almost) of the road.
http://think.direct.gov.uk/cycling.html (http://think.direct.gov.uk/cycling.html)
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Hmm. An interesting point on the site that they SHOULD take the position of middle of the road. i didn't know that. I suppose it makes sense so that there's no ''shall i, shant i'' overtaking hesitance from the driver.
in the real world though he'd need to assume middle position in plenty of time though otherwise he'll be brown bread!
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....the cyclist for pulling out and assuming the position in the middle (almost) of the road.
http://think.direct.gov.uk/cycling.html (http://think.direct.gov.uk/cycling.html)
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Hmm. An interesting point on the site that they SHOULD take the position of middle of the road. i didn't know that. I suppose it makes sense so that there's no ''shall i, shant i'' overtaking hesitance from the driver.
in the real world though he'd need to assume middle position in plenty of time though otherwise he'll be brown bread!
Bang on :y
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I've purposely not read any other responses until I posted.
On the cyclist side....
The law (they can pretty much do no wrong)
The sign, assuming it took place after the sign.
The aggression shown towards him.
On the drivers side...
The way he undertook the indicating Golf is a sure fire sign of a 'self righteous' cyclist (that is my opinion). He could see he was putting himself in danger, but continued to do so, even though, again in my opinion, the car driver did the right thing positioning himself as not to blindside a cyclist.
The passenger states the cyclist hit (with hand or foot) the side of the car.
If the cyclist had noticed that sign as he entered that narrow area, he could have checked and positioned himself in the middle of lane to prevent that altogether.
The unknowns....
The cyclist hitting the car could have been the cause of the accident. You can't see that in the footage.
Whilst the cyclist may have right of way, anyone riding in London with a will to live would shoulder check before pulling out. Again, you can't see that in the video.
Overall the law would side with bike rider as a more vulnerable road user. However, this is just part of the story, he mentions CCTV (I presume they don't mean his footage) which may paint a fuller picture.
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....and now I've read the above, it's almost identical to Monsieur Guffer's post. ???
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....and now I've read the above, it's almost identical to Monsieur Guffer's post. ???
See. Us MAMILs are reasonable after all ;D
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watch it again and look where the golf he first squeezed passed was positioned. in a marked cycle lane. unlike all the other cars waiting at the lights.
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watch it again and look where the golf he first squeezed passed was positioned. in a marked cycle lane. unlike all the other cars waiting at the lights.
No excuse for flying up to it with the rear wheel locked ::)
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TBH, the cyclist seemed determined to prove a point, and ended up with the bruises to show for it. ::)
Going up the inside of the Golf when the lights were already changing was downright stupid, cycle lane or not. It was obvious that he was about to occupy a space that would soon be full of Golf. Not sure I'd have put myself at the Golf driver's mercy. He was lucky not to come unstuck there.
If the cyclist had been more assertive in claiming his piece of road before the narrow section, the driver of that shitty A class would have had no option but to hold back. In the position he was, however, of not being in command of the lane, a glance behind him to make sure the following traffic was sympathetic and then dropping back a few seconds on the realisation that it wasn't would have saved a potentially dangerous accident.
The A class driver clearly did the usual thing of driving through the cyclist as if he's not even there, on the assumption that there would be a hedge or something for him to disappear into, and, as the overtaking vehicle, he takes the blame, IMHO, but the cyclist could have avoided the accident by being a bit more defensive. He won't last long riding like that in that sort of traffic.
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Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
Law RTRA sects 5 & 8
http://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/multilane-carriageways-133-to-143 (http://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/multilane-carriageways-133-to-143)
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Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
Law RTRA sects 5 & 8
http://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/multilane-carriageways-133-to-143 (http://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/multilane-carriageways-133-to-143)
Can you find the one that says it's fine to cycle like a lady crevice just because a car has stopped in a daft place... ::)
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General rule for passing a cyclist ......at least a car doors width and a bit more where it can be achieved....why try and mix it up with someone who is on ''mission '' to keep going what ever the situation is ...seems to apply to ALL road users...because there is an absolute plethora of dick heads out there just waiting to push your buttons regardless of what form of vehicle they are in charge of. ::)
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Nice and topical :y
https://vimeo.com/135884468 (https://vimeo.com/135884468)
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These cyclist vs. car driver
wars incidents is down to lack of respect on all side imho.
The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic, believing that red lights or most traffic signals don't apply to them only serve to piss off car. van and wagon drivers because they haven't got a friggin clue what they are going to do and are sick and tired of these muppets exploiting the lack of will of the police to enforce these laws.
As we all know, if a car driver runs a red light and gets caught then the shit hits the fan, he is hammered within a inch of his licence and the world gets to know about it.
For instance, until these cyclists are forced to and publicly prosecuted for non compliance of the law, the empathy and lack of respect to cyclists will only continue and get worse.
The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
3/. Have lights front and back that are fit for purpose
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)
5/. Follow the rules of the road
If this happens (and i'm not holding my breath here), then maybe car drives and there sort will start to give more respect to cyclists as a whole ;)
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TG, I was hoping to avoid this conversation to go down this well-trodden and mis-understood route and would rather it stayed on track. :y
Dont worry, in my next post on the subject you will have plenty of chance to air your views. I get the feeling it may generate a lot of opinion ::)
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The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic
i'm not sure these are illegal for a cyclist are they? is there anything in the highway code? i'm not sure if there is but just asking :-\.
The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)
i am pretty sure there are no laws to enforce for any of the above.
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Can you find the one that says it's fine to cycle like a lady crevice just because a car has stopped in a daft place... ::)
there's definitely no highway code for that, for cars or bikes. people do it all the time :(.
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Can you find the one that says it's fine to cycle like a lady crevice just because a car has stopped in a daft place... ::)
there's definitely no highway code for that, for cars or bikes. people do it all the time :(.
Ergo, the position of the Golf is irrelevant to the manner of riding from that cyclist... ie he should have calmly assumed position in the cycle lane behind it, ready to take his place in the procession through the roadwork restriction :y
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Can you find the one that says it's fine to cycle like a lady crevice just because a car has stopped in a daft place... ::)
there's definitely no highway code for that, for cars or bikes. people do it all the time :(.
Ergo, the position of the Golf is irrelevant to the manner of riding from that cyclist... ie he should have calmly assumed position in the cycle lane behind it, ready to take his place in the procession through the roadwork restriction :y
I disagree somewhat.
If that was me I would have gone around the outside of the Golf and positioned myself appropriately in the cycle box ahead. By staying back you reinforce bad road position which after a red light can make it very difficult for a cyclist to come over where he needed to be in order to be safe, hence the existence of these boxes in the first place :y
The Golf driver is a twonk but it's not worth remonstrating with idiots like that. Better to give them a wide birth.
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Your response to that situation is perfectly reasoned :y Staying back, whilst not ideal, would have been preferable to approaching a clear obstruction at speed and then making alot of fuss about both the obstruction and squeezing past it...
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When i am out on my bike i find i have far more problems with pedestrians than with cars. People with kids, dog walkers with their ultra long leads and the worst one is joggers or walkers wearing headphones. It,s a waste of time having a bell on your bike because they are in their little world and can,t hear a thing. Still, at least they,re softer to land on than a car. :D
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These cyclist vs. car driver wars incidents is down to lack of respect on all side imho.
The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic, believing that red lights or most traffic signals don't apply to them only serve to piss off car. van and wagon drivers because they haven't got a friggin clue what they are going to do and are sick and tired of these muppets exploiting the lack of will of the police to enforce these laws.
As we all know, if a car driver runs a red light and gets caught then the shit hits the fan, he is hammered within a inch of his licence and the world gets to know about it.
For instance, until these cyclists are forced to and publicly prosecuted for non compliance of the law, the empathy and lack of respect to cyclists will only continue and get worse.
The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
3/. Have lights front and back that are fit for purpose
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)
5/. Follow the rules of the road
If this happens (and i'm not holding my breath here), then maybe car drives and there sort will start to give more respect to cyclists as a whole ;)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QM8zdrY8HHA/maxresdefault.jpg)
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When i am out on my bike i find i have far more problems with pedestrians than with cars. People with kids, dog walkers with their ultra long leads and the worst one is joggers or walkers wearing headphones. It,s a waste of time having a bell on your bike because they are in their little world and can,t hear a thing. Still, at least they,re softer to land on than a car. :D
I use a hornit db140. 2 modes, one for cars and one for pedestrians. more than happy with it :y
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How long does the battery last?
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How long does the battery last?
I've had it for 18 months, used several times a week. still on the original batteries.
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These cyclist vs. car driver wars incidents is down to lack of respect on all side imho.
The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic, believing that red lights or most traffic signals don't apply to them only serve to piss off car. van and wagon drivers because they haven't got a friggin clue what they are going to do and are sick and tired of these muppets exploiting the lack of will of the police to enforce these laws.
As we all know, if a car driver runs a red light and gets caught then the shit hits the fan, he is hammered within a inch of his licence and the world gets to know about it.
For instance, until these cyclists are forced to and publicly prosecuted for non compliance of the law, the empathy and lack of respect to cyclists will only continue and get worse.
The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
3/. Have lights front and back that are fit for purpose
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)
5/. Follow the rules of the road
If this happens (and i'm not holding my breath here), then maybe car drives and there sort will start to give more respect to cyclists as a whole ;)
Not flashing / strobing or poorly aimed ultra bright LED
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These cyclist vs. car driver wars incidents is down to lack of respect on all side imho.
The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic, believing that red lights or most traffic signals don't apply to them only serve to piss off car. van and wagon drivers because they haven't got a friggin clue what they are going to do and are sick and tired of these muppets exploiting the lack of will of the police to enforce these laws.
As we all know, if a car driver runs a red light and gets caught then the shit hits the fan, he is hammered within a inch of his licence and the world gets to know about it.
For instance, until these cyclists are forced to and publicly prosecuted for non compliance of the law, the empathy and lack of respect to cyclists will only continue and get worse.
The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
3/. Have lights front and back that are fit for purpose
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)
5/. Follow the rules of the road
If this happens (and i'm not holding my breath here), then maybe car drives and there sort will start to give more respect to cyclists as a whole ;)
Not flashing / strobing or poorly aimed ultra bright LED
As mentioned previously, let's try and keep this threat on topic. :y
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As mentioned previously, let's try and keep this threat on topic. :y
I see what you did there. ;)
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As mentioned previously, let's try and keep this threat on topic. :y
I see what you did there. ;)
Oops! :o
Typo, sorry :-[
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How long does the battery last?
I've had it for 18 months, used several times a week. still on the original batteries.
Thanks, was looking for something smaller than an air horn. Will give it a try.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUBBGxyAN4M
;D
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When i am out on my bike i find i have far more problems with pedestrians than with cars. People with kids, dog walkers with their ultra long leads and the worst one is joggers or walkers wearing headphones. It,s a waste of time having a bell on your bike because they are in their little world and can,t hear a thing. Still, at least they,re softer to land on than a car. :D
I use a hornit db140. 2 modes, one for cars and one for pedestrians. more than happy with it :y
Based on the Youtube video from the manufacturer that is an exceptionally unpleasant noise - hope its not used too often! :D
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When i am out on my bike i find i have far more problems with pedestrians than with cars. People with kids, dog walkers with their ultra long leads and the worst one is joggers or walkers wearing headphones. It,s a waste of time having a bell on your bike because they are in their little world and can,t hear a thing. Still, at least they,re softer to land on than a car. :D
I use a hornit db140. 2 modes, one for cars and one for pedestrians. more than happy with it :y
Based on the Youtube video from the manufacturer that is an exceptionally unpleasant noise - hope its not used too often! :D
But it works and it's less clunky than an air horn or a compressed gas type.