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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 01 September 2015, 21:14:19
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This one will interest M. Guffer! :) Not sure how it will work in practice though, sending trucks all round the houses? ::)
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/lorries-face-being-banned-from-turning-left-in-revolutionary-clampdown-aimed-at-preventing-cycle-a2924376.html
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Sorry... But there should be a greater emphasis placed on the cyclist in London. I will bet my house that next time I drive into London (2.5 weeks time if not before) there will be at least one cyclist jump a red light and at least one come up the inside when I am indicating to turn left ::)
Some very good ideas, in principle, but mostly another bout of Lorry Driver Bashing :-X
Perhaps Boris should go out in a lorry for a day and see what it's really like trying to watch for stupid car drivers, box junctions, lights, suicidal pedestrians and lunatic, law flouting cyclists ::)
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I can see how a lorry can't see a cyclist but how the hell does a cyclist not see a lorry?
No need to answer that as I already know the answer. ::) The cyclists are risking their lives by sneaking up the inside. As a car driver and ex motorcyclist I steer well clear of trucks at roundabouts and junctions, I would feel more at risk on a bike so I would apply the same principle. :-\
Not intended as bike bashing by the way. ;) :) Well, maybe a little bit.
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This is just another load of bureaucratic BS >:( >:( it is the F*%$ing cyclists that are at fault here, not the truck driver >:( >:( >:(
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An observation.
Cyclists and other motorists are breaking the laws of the road every day ( e.g. car drivers texting, cyclists jumping red lights)
Police haven't the manpower to apply the law.
Cyclists(real people) are getting killed (they are someones loved ones, family etc)
Reducing the number of left turns makes sense if that is where lots of cyclists get killed.
My dad used to say a well rounded driver was someone who had driven many different forms of transport, starting with a horse, push bike, motorbike, tractor, car, lorry and so on. He had a point. I remember as a student hitching a lift in a huge lorry on the M1. I couldn't believe he had to change gear to get up the hills. I also remember to this day him knocking it out of sixteenth(?) and us overtaking stuff going downhill. Ever since I keep my distance from wagons on downhills and wait for them to overtake on uphills before blasting past.
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£1,000 to retro-fit a window? Yes, just bung the cost of cyclists' stupidity onto the already heavily taxed lorry driver/owner and keep the free-loading cyclist safe!
I know many will disagree, but I feel that cycles are completely inappropriate for today's roads and traffic conditions; it is THEY who should be banned and not lorries. Cyclists are unlicenced, unregulated and seemingly immune from road traffic laws.
In many of OUR (motorist-owned) roads, precious road space has been allocated to cycles, to our detriment. If they were licenced, subject to the same fines and points systems as us and able to be banned for repeated offences, it would be fairer, and reduce the law-flouting.
I like Boris, he is usually clever, but he is wrong here.......
Ron.
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Stop cyclists driving like idiotts
Stop cyclists from driving inside lorries
Stop cyclists from driving inside buses
Stop cyclists from wearing headphones
Stop cyclists from wearing Lycra
Stop cyclists from riding on the pavements
Stop cyclists from wearing dark clothing
Stop cyclists from turning left
Stop cyclists from turning right
Stop cyclists from destroying London
From the comments on the article... not sure about the lycra one, as some might see that as a fetish, but the rest seems perfectly reasonable ::)
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Sorry... But there should be a greater emphasis placed on the cyclist in London. I will bet my house that next time I drive into London (2.5 weeks time if not before) there will be at least one cyclist jump a red light and at least one come up the inside when I am indicating to turn left ::)
Some very good ideas, in principle, but mostly another bout of Lorry Driver Bashing :-X
Perhaps Boris should go out in a lorry for a day and see what it's really like trying to watch for stupid car drivers, box junctions, lights, suicidal pedestrians and lunatic, law flouting cyclists ::)
Oh FFS. Every day I see car/lorry drivers using a mobile, texting, jumping a red light, tailgating, engaging in road rage, applying make up, fiddling with hair, smoking, drinking, eating sarnies, peeing in a bottle etc etc etc. I could go on. The only ones who die are the cyclists who get run over by said car/truck drivers. Get some perspective. >:(
Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Why do they ride in the middle of the road? Because the road surface is so poor that they choose to ride a bit more into the middle of the road and avoid deathtrap drains and potholes that could potentially kill them.
Why do they set off a second before the light turns green. So that the idiot in the car behind doesnt try to kill them with their reckless driving.
Oh no. Blame the poor cyclist who chooses to make your journey slightly easier by reducing congestion, make the air your children breath better by reducing emissions. Yup target the weaker road user. That makes sense.
Seriously fed up with cycle bashing folk who have never been on a push bike in traffic.
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I didn't intend this thread as an anti bicyclist rant and mostly agree with what D has written above. Apart from this.....
Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
If the cycle lane was painted over the edge of a cliff, would they all go over like lemmings? Of course not. So why do cyclists persist in creeping up the nearside of large vehicles, knowing full well how dangerous it is? :-\
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There is bad roadcraft and disregard for the rules on all sides. To put the blame 100% in any one camp would be wrong. That said, from my observations (in the UK) the absolute worst is the 7.5T construction/skip/tipper driver. Probably due to the pressures placed on the drivers (it is my understanding that many are in fact independant contractors which means operators can put unrealistics targets on them to reach OTE without breaking the law :-X) but also due to the ethos of the company. My current client is a global cement company whose top 3 priorities are Health and Safety. I have noticed that the drivers of this company drive very, very well and are considerate road users (sharing space, convoy drills, etc)
Personally I do not feel that banning left turns is the way forward, if the current most basic rules are flauted by many what is to say that any new ones will be heeded. I know I suggested about banning vulnerable road users from putting themselves too close or inbetween large vehicles where there is no specific lane, while this is good in theory I suspect you will still get the prats who squeeze in to the tightest spots and put themselves in danger.
At the end of the day all road users need to understand that pedestrians and cyclists are the most vulnerable road users. Cyclists especially need to understand this and behave in a legal manner that takes this in to consideration. Other road users need to realise that their actions could kill somebody on foot or on 2 wheels. When (if) we should ever reach this upotian nirvana I feel that we will see some progress. :y
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£1,000 to retro-fit a window? Yes, just bung the cost of cyclists' stupidity onto the already heavily taxed lorry driver/owner and keep the free-loading cyclist safe!
I know many will disagree, but I feel that cycles are completely inappropriate for today's roads and traffic conditions; it is THEY who should be banned and not lorries. Cyclists are unlicenced, unregulated and seemingly immune from road traffic laws.
In many of OUR (motorist-owned) roads, precious road space has been allocated to cycles, to our detriment. If they were licenced, subject to the same fines and points systems as us and able to be banned for repeated offences, it would be fairer, and reduce the law-flouting.
I like Boris, he is usually clever, but he is wrong here.......
Ron.
I am not even going to honour this with a meaningful response.
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Used to work with a guy who could not turn left......very strange character
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Maybe every large vehicle should be equipped with an Orangutan. :-\ Trained up British style.... " Left turn Clyde! " ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i98QrSSHxo4
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I really should invest in a Go-Pro, for use on the motorbike, to capture what I've seen some drivers doing :o
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Used to work with a guy who could not turn left......very strange character
Did he ever unveil his look "Magnum" ? ::)
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Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy. ::)
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I am not even going to honour this with a meaningful response.
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MG, what have I said to upset you? I thought that my views might not be those of the majority, but reading other posts, it seems they are. Consider safety: cyclists claim to be concerned about safety and take steps to ensure their own (helmets, flashing lights on bums, etc.) but show little concern for the safety of others, especially when riding on the pavement and endangering children and other vulnerable groups.
If, by their risky and ipatient actions they place themselves in hazardous situations, whom do you think is to blame?
I also agree that motorists are no angels (except OOFers, of course!) and do contravene road traffic laws, but we don't often drive recklessly on pavements and are subject to fines, points on licences and driving bans.....
Ron.
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Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy. ::)
Well put. :y It really is that simple. :y
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Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy. ::)
Well put. :y It really is that simple. :y
Agrred :y
It's funny though because many motorists don't understand this either, probably because the consequences for getting it wrong vary hugely whether you are on a push-bike or in a car.
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Sorry... But there should be a greater emphasis placed on the cyclist in London. I will bet my house that next time I drive into London (2.5 weeks time if not before) there will be at least one cyclist jump a red light and at least one come up the inside when I am indicating to turn left ::)
Some very good ideas, in principle, but mostly another bout of Lorry Driver Bashing :-X
Perhaps Boris should go out in a lorry for a day and see what it's really like trying to watch for stupid car drivers, box junctions, lights, suicidal pedestrians and lunatic, law flouting cyclists ::)
Oh FFS. Every day I see car/lorry drivers using a mobile, texting, jumping a red light, tailgating, engaging in road rage, applying make up, fiddling with hair, smoking, drinking, eating sarnies, peeing in a bottle etc etc etc. I could go on. The only ones who die are the cyclists who get run over by said car/truck drivers. Get some perspective. >:(
Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Why do they ride in the middle of the road? Because the road surface is so poor that they choose to ride a bit more into the middle of the road and avoid deathtrap drains and potholes that could potentially kill them.
Why do they set off a second before the light turns green. So that the idiot in the car behind doesnt try to kill them with their reckless driving.
Oh no. Blame the poor cyclist who chooses to make your journey slightly easier by reducing congestion, make the air your children breath better by reducing emissions. Yup target the weaker road user. That makes sense.
Seriously fed up with cycle bashing folk who have never been on a push bike in traffic.
As usual, certain people can't help but think this thread is about cycle bashing. It's not... It's about a stupid proposal. There are drivers of all vehicles flouting the law and I agree that cyclists are vulnerable. Because of this they should be more defensive. I'm not talking about setting off a few seconds early, I refer to the retards who blatantly ignore red lights.
Should have actually read what I posted ;)
Oh... And for the record - I have cycled in heavy traffic. I also rode a motorcycle and drove HGVs in heavy traffic too. Additionally I've cleared up the mess left behind after accidents caused by all parties. But, of course, I was just bashing the cyclist ::) ::)
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Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy. ::)
Well put. :y It really is that simple. :y
Agrred :y
It's funny though because many motorists don't understand this either, probably because the consequences for getting it wrong vary hugely whether you are on a push-bike or in a car.
Yep. Road users in general do not seem to grasp the principle of "defensive position". And I include moronic pedestrians in that too!
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I didn't read LD's post as anti-cyclist or cyclist bashing. It probably helps that I know him and that I know that we share the same opinion on many topics :y yet even if I didn't I cannot see a cyclist-bashing element to his comment ???
But when I read comments to the effect of cyclists being free-loading hooligans who are stealing road space from motorists I wonder whether people actually read what I post or if they just cherry pick the bad apples to justify an attitude which does nothing to improve the understanding between different road users.
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Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy. ::)
Well put. :y It really is that simple. :y
Agrred :y
It's funny though because many motorists don't understand this either, probably because the consequences for getting it wrong vary hugely whether you are on a push-bike or in a car.
Indeed, I've seen (far too) many cars where a truck has effectively driven over their offside .. or even the near side as they try to squeeze up the inside of an artic going over a small roundabout.
Now I've never driven an artic or even anything longer than a LWB panel van, but I have a basic grasp of physics and I can figure out what 30' of trailer is likely to do dragged behind the tractor unit! :(
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Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy. ::)
Well put. :y It really is that simple. :y
Agrred :y
It's funny though because many motorists don't understand this either, probably because the consequences for getting it wrong vary hugely whether you are on a push-bike or in a car.
Indeed, I've seen (far too) many cars where a truck has effectively driven over their offside .. or even the near side as they try to squeeze up the inside of an artic going over a small roundabout.
Now I've never driven an artic or even anything longer than a LWB panel van, but I have a basic grasp of physics and I can figure out what 30' of trailer is likely to do dragged behind the tractor unit! :(
And 44', as some now are, is even worse ;)
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I knew I'd get caught out on factual accuracy if I put a length in.. ;D
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I knew I'd get caught out on factual accuracy if I put a length in.. ;D
That sounds like an euphemism :o
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Anybody who goes up the inside of an HGV on a push or motorbike IMO is not driving defensively, which as a vulnerable road user you must do as it is you that is going to get hurt.
The other side of the coin is that there are plenty of careless motor vehicle drivers who have an arrogant disregard for other road users safety, where it will only be scratches on their lump of tin as they wipe out a cyclist while drunk/texting/phoning/setting up sat nav/changing music/talking to passengers/putting on makeup/ etc etc, with an arrogant disregard for others road users safety. Sorry, mate I didn't see you, to the crumpled mess in the road, is no consolation for their life changing injuries and the devastated friends and families.
Do I agree with this no left turn nonsense, no.
Bad drivers are bad drivers regardless of the vehicle they use and we all see plenty of examples from all road users.
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A few years ago i was waiting at traffic lights when an artic pulled up alongside me. I thought "f**k this, i,m out of here". Thats defensive driving/riding i think. I just dismounted from the bike and walked around the corner. ;)
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At least you didn't ride on the pavement to turn the corner, "ronnyd", for which I applaud you. Sensible tactic, too.......
Ron.
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Sorry... But there should be a greater emphasis placed on the cyclist in London. I will bet my house that next time I drive into London (2.5 weeks time if not before) there will be at least one cyclist jump a red light and at least one come up the inside when I am indicating to turn left ::)
Some very good ideas, in principle, but mostly another bout of Lorry Driver Bashing :-X
Perhaps Boris should go out in a lorry for a day and see what it's really like trying to watch for stupid car drivers, box junctions, lights, suicidal pedestrians and lunatic, law flouting cyclists ::)
Oh FFS. Every day I see car/lorry drivers using a mobile, texting, jumping a red light, tailgating, engaging in road rage, applying make up, fiddling with hair, smoking, drinking, eating sarnies, peeing in a bottle etc etc etc. I could go on. The only ones who die are the cyclists who get run over by said car/truck drivers. Get some perspective. >:(
Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Why do they ride in the middle of the road? Because the road surface is so poor that they choose to ride a bit more into the middle of the road and avoid deathtrap drains and potholes that could potentially kill them.
Why do they set off a second before the light turns green. So that the idiot in the car behind doesnt try to kill them with their reckless driving.
Oh no. Blame the poor cyclist who chooses to make your journey slightly easier by reducing congestion, make the air your children breath better by reducing emissions. Yup target the weaker road user. That makes sense.
Seriously fed up with cycle bashing folk who have never been on a push bike in traffic.
As usual, certain people can't help but think this thread is about cycle bashing. It's not... It's about a stupid proposal. There are drivers of all vehicles flouting the law and I agree that cyclists are vulnerable. Because of this they should be more defensive. I'm not talking about setting off a few seconds early, I refer to the retards who blatantly ignore red lights.
Should have actually read what I posted ;)
Oh... And for the record - I have cycled in heavy traffic. I also rode a motorcycle and drove HGVs in heavy traffic too. Additionally I've cleared up the mess left behind after accidents caused by all parties. But, of course, I was just bashing the cyclist ::) ::)
Sorry, I seem to have quoted your post. Intention was simply to reply to comments on thread, not direct the response at you per se.
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Sorry... But there should be a greater emphasis placed on the cyclist in London. I will bet my house that next time I drive into London (2.5 weeks time if not before) there will be at least one cyclist jump a red light and at least one come up the inside when I am indicating to turn left ::)
Some very good ideas, in principle, but mostly another bout of Lorry Driver Bashing :-X
Perhaps Boris should go out in a lorry for a day and see what it's really like trying to watch for stupid car drivers, box junctions, lights, suicidal pedestrians and lunatic, law flouting cyclists ::)
Oh FFS. Every day I see car/lorry drivers using a mobile, texting, jumping a red light, tailgating, engaging in road rage, applying make up, fiddling with hair, smoking, drinking, eating sarnies, peeing in a bottle etc etc etc. I could go on. The only ones who die are the cyclists who get run over by said car/truck drivers. Get some perspective. >:(
Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Why do they ride in the middle of the road? Because the road surface is so poor that they choose to ride a bit more into the middle of the road and avoid deathtrap drains and potholes that could potentially kill them.
Why do they set off a second before the light turns green. So that the idiot in the car behind doesnt try to kill them with their reckless driving.
Oh no. Blame the poor cyclist who chooses to make your journey slightly easier by reducing congestion, make the air your children breath better by reducing emissions. Yup target the weaker road user. That makes sense.
Seriously fed up with cycle bashing folk who have never been on a push bike in traffic.
As usual, certain people can't help but think this thread is about cycle bashing. It's not... It's about a stupid proposal. There are drivers of all vehicles flouting the law and I agree that cyclists are vulnerable. Because of this they should be more defensive. I'm not talking about setting off a few seconds early, I refer to the retards who blatantly ignore red lights.
Should have actually read what I posted ;)
Oh... And for the record - I have cycled in heavy traffic. I also rode a motorcycle and drove HGVs in heavy traffic too. Additionally I've cleared up the mess left behind after accidents caused by all parties. But, of course, I was just bashing the cyclist ::) ::)
Sorry, I seem to have quoted your post. Intention was simply to reply to comments on thread, not direct the response at you per se.
Ok :y
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On my way home from work tonight there was a unicyclist on the road ..... a fast NSL road too! ??? I'm sure there are safer places to unicycle :-\
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On my way home from work tonight there was a unicyclist on the road ..... a fast NSL road too! ??? I'm sure there are safer places to unicycle :-\
A runway a Heathrow :-\
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Sadly, because I hate the place with a passion, I have to go into Oxford a lot. As a pedestrian in Oxford, you have to use the pavements and crossings defensively, because in Oxford, and cyclist has the moral highground, and thus has full right of way over anybody else, be that on pedestrian crossings, pavements, pedestrianised areas, or in the indoor shopping centres.
Having been knocked over by a cyclist on a pelican crossing in London, I guess its no different there.
On the upside, he buggered his wheel on the railings after bouncing off me.
Me: "Did that hurt"
idiot: groaning, "Yeah"
Me: "Serves you bloody well right"
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Not one person has grasped the simplistic stupidity of this, try and organise a multi drop load and tell driver remember no left turn, there are delivery points in London that are only accessible buy turning left, there are TFL and network rail depots that when the truck is 80ft long yes 80ft can only turn left, as usual another knee jerk reaction to a problem that can be solved by education.
bring back cycling proficiency test, and advert's on tv showing what happen,when hgv turns left.
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"bring back cycling proficiency"
+1 and then some:
I think; nay: honestly believe; that part of the driving test should be at least 20hrs spent as a cyclist...
a little bit of consideration for other road users goes a loooong way
and don't get me started on fork lift drivers...
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I honestly can't see how this would work. If you banned lorries from turning left, EVERY roundabout would be full of lorry drivers not going in circles because every roundabout would be blocked up by lorries. ::)
As a general rule, I think some cyclists are a good thing. If everyone drove a car, my journeys would take a lot longer. The ones I have problems with are the ones who think they should own the road, everyone else should give way, they are always right and they feel a morale superiority of everyone else, including pedestrians.
What I don't understand is the point A to point A riders out there. They drive a car to some lovely countryside to unload a bike and go for a ride 2, 3 and 4 a breast without concern for the chaos they cause behind them. Pull in every now and then, ride single file with gaps, USE YOUR BRAIN. To be honest, if I wanted to ride in the countryside, the last place I would consider is some twisty, windy A/B road full of traffic. I'd go find a nice country park and ride around there. The scenery is better and your less likely to end up as road kill.
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You don't understand deviator - they need to train for the next Tour De France! Drafting, riding several abreast, getting run over by TV crews..
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You don't understand deviator - they need to train for the next Tour De France! Drafting, riding several abreast, getting run over by TV crews..
It's only a shame the Police stopped the fun....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofXHKEe1yYk
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There's no facepalm big enough.
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There's no facepalm big enough.
although 400Tonnes doing 80mph would come pretty close :o