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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 September 2015, 12:08:10
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Well......it seems like only two people can save the world.
Flash Gordon and Jeremy Corbyn. :)
In my opinion there is nothing new or radical about Corbyn. The younger generation believe the 'old boy' is cool simply because they were not around when his policies were the norm for a socialist government.
Please don't think I'm being being sexist or dismissive when I say that the two girlies in the contest (I forget their names ::)) should be viewed as 'not up to the job'. Leadership is a job for men and not women. Should I be forced to choose between them I would pick LK as she is marginally the more attractive of the pair. ::) ::) ;)
Sadly, this leaves dreary old Andy B as the best of a thoroughly uninspiring bunch. :-\
It looks as though Labour will remain in opposition long after I have curled my toes up. :-\
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Can't see them winning back the huge amounts of votes they need with him, they will become like Lib Dems used to be :-\
He wants to re-open the mines, re-nationalise the railways, women only carriages, no war (he would probably return Falkland to the Argies if he could >:()
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Bit of a politics thread?
I can see the labour party splitting up. maybe the split off part will attract former Lib Dem voters.
Either way pensioners might not live long enough to ever see a none Blue hue in power.
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Corbyn's political agenda will never sit easily with the affluent south. Many will see him as a 'commie'... :'(
However, every cloud has a silver lining and he could win back much of the lost support north of Hadrian's wall.... :y
JC could well give 'wee Jimmy Krankie' a good kicking in the polls. :D
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Corbyn's political agenda will never sit easily with the affluent south. Many will see him as a 'commie'... :'(
However, every cloud has a silver lining and he could win back much of the lost support north of Hadrian's wall.... :y
JC could well give 'wee Jimmy Krankie' a good kicking in the polls. :D
Without this, they are sunk! But SNP have quite a strangle hold up there now. Do you really think he could turn the tables on that? :-\
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Corbyn's political agenda will never sit easily with the affluent south. Many will see him as a 'commie'... :'(
However, every cloud has a silver lining and he could win back much of the lost support north of Hadrian's wall.... :y
JC could well give 'wee Jimmy Krankie' a good kicking in the polls. :D
Without this, they are sunk! But SNP have quite a strangle hold up there now. Do you really think he could turn the tables on that? :-\
It would be difficult but he has a better chance than the conservatives. :y
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Corbyn's political agenda will never sit easily with the affluent south. Many will see him as a 'commie'... :'(
However, every cloud has a silver lining and he could win back much of the lost support north of Hadrian's wall.... :y
JC could well give 'wee Jimmy Krankie' a good kicking in the polls. :D
Without this, they are sunk! But SNP have quite a strangle hold up there now. Do you really think he could turn the tables on that? :-\
It would be difficult but he has a better chance than the conservatives. :y
Well true.... but can he do a better job than Ed for Scotland? :-\ - I don't see it.
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Corbyn's political agenda will never sit easily with the affluent south. Many will see him as a 'commie'... :'(
However, every cloud has a silver lining and he could win back much of the lost support north of Hadrian's wall.... :y
JC could well give 'wee Jimmy Krankie' a good kicking in the polls. :D
Without this, they are sunk! But SNP have quite a strangle hold up there now. Do you really think he could turn the tables on that? :-\
It would be difficult but he has a better chance than the conservatives. :y
Well true.... but can he do a better job than Ed for Scotland? :-\ - I don't see it.
Scotland was a Labour stronghold for generations. It could be so again if the SNP fail to keep their promises. As said it won't be easy, and I'm not sure that JC is the man to turn things around. However, he may surprise us all if elected leader. :y
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The parties have been so close together over the past years as to make no difference. At least people will know what they are voting for.
As an aside, the leadership contest may not yet be done and dusted. If Corbyn fails to get more than 50% in the first round, it's a nap that everyone will vote for whoever is opposing him in the second.
As an addendum, the bookies were offering 1/6 on Corbyn yesterday.
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In my opinion there is nothing new or radical about Corbyn. The younger generation believe the 'old boy' is cool simply because they were not around when his policies were the norm for a socialist government.
It looks as though Labour will remain in opposition long after I have curled my toes up. :-\
I'm not so sure that if Corbyn wins he will consign Labour to the wilderness, as most of the electorate have no real recollections of the 1970's. :-\ I was 10 when Maggie won her first election in 1979 and this was probably my first awareness of politics. ::)
God help us if he does ever get the keys to Number 10 mind, but I think he'll get a lot of support from the yoofs, treehuggers, sandle wearing Guardian readers and the general ne'er-do-wells. ::)
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In my opinion there is nothing new or radical about Corbyn. The younger generation believe the 'old boy' is cool simply because they were not around when his policies were the norm for a socialist government.
It looks as though Labour will remain in opposition long after I have curled my toes up. :-\
I'm not so sure that if Corbyn wins he will consign Labour to the wilderness, as most of the electorate have no real recollections of the 1970's. :-\ I was 10 when Maggie won her first election in 1979 and this was probably my first awareness of politics. ::)
God help us if he does ever get the keys to Number 10 mind, but I think he'll get a lot of support from the yoofs, treehuggers, sandle wearing Guardian readers and the general ne'er-do-wells. ::)
I love this expressions.
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It applies to about 70% of OOF. :D ;D
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If he wins he will be by far the most left wing leader Liebour have ever had. Personally, I think Liebour will even struggle in the North of England as UKIP gave them a good fight and fright in many seats in the recent election. :y :y :y
In the North many people will never vote for the Tories because of what happened to the mining industry, but many suffered under the last Liebour Government with their mass migration policies which have reduced many working class job's wages downwards to the minimum wage. This means they are much more likely to vote for UKIP in even bigger numbers at the next election. Union membership is still dropping where one thing that characterises the 21st century is the rise of SMEs and the self-employed, big union dominated industries is so 19th and 20th century these days.
Unless Liebour reconquer Crankie land, they won't form another one-party Government, even with that the English MP's only voting for English laws will be well established by 2020, which means Liebour will be in a minority when dealing with things like English income tax, education, welfare and the NHS etc as Welsh and Scottish assemblies handle this for Wales and Scotland either now or will do as part of the Scottish referendum settlement legislation that is currently going through parliament. BLiar, McRuin and Liebour have managed to maneuver themselves and Liebour into extinction with devolution. They were warned at the time and things have turned as as expected and I think Corbyn will be the icing on the top to further accelerate their demise.
I can see another Social Democratic party being formed by more moderate Liebour MPs and supporters, like happened in Pillock's and donkey jacket scarecrow's time, leaving the field open for the hard left, unions, old-Liebour and the Socialist Workers Party to occupy the extreme left fringes. The conservatives made the mistake of moving right with their leaders when they were defeated in 1997. I think the main lesson is that the majority of voters like conservative Liebour governments and wet Tory ones, where they both occupy the immediate left and right centre ground. It is interesting that Liebour under BLiar were more left wing than their propaganda portrayed and the converse is that the Tories are more right wing than their propaganda portrays them! ???
Like all left wing bigots Corbyn has some funny priorities. An example, is that he wants to reestablish the coal mining industry, but as a green, climate change zealot, nobody must burn the mined coal where it is the most polluting, CO2 releasing of all of the fossil fuels, eh?!!! :o :o :o
Personally, I find Corbyn as repulsive as that two-faced racist bigot 'service company tax dodging' Livingstone. Another don't do what I do, do what I say person. The only plus for Liebour under Corbyn is that at least George Galloway will have found a new natural political home. We can look forward to Corbyn, Livingstone and Galloway appearing together with their invited friends from ISIS, Al Qaeda and Hizbollah. :o :o :o
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My fear for democracy in the UK is that if JC wins, due to the internecine in-fighting that will follow within months of his election, we will not have an opposition strong enough to oppose the Government. History tells us that this country works better with a strong opposition. :y
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Well, the socialists have taken back their party. To any grown adult with life experience in the real world Corbyn is a dangerous idiot. He is a genuine dangerous idiot though which is why people (particularily the young) have voted for him.
So many people are sick and tired of the obvious fakery of the establishment leadership of the three Westminster parties. Since Thatcher, none of them have believed in anything but their own careers.
People have been looking for authenticity, conviction politicians, which is one reason why Farage has resonated with a lot of people.
Like Corbyn, you can agree or disagree with what they believe, but theres no doubting that their beliefs are genuine.
I believe that the media and the establishment will eat Corbyn alive. He believes in all the things which very nearly destroyed this country in the 1970,s and made Thatcherism a necessary evil.
Any sensible person who is old enough to remember the bad old days, would shudder with fear and dread at the thought of the country going back there.
I predict that Labour wont win another election for another decade at least, which is a very good thing. The people who voted him in have probably as good as elected George Osborne as our next PM. Which probably wont be a very good thing.
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Ladies and Gentlemen I give you the new leaders of the Labour Party................. Tom and Jerry! :D ;D
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A pointless leadership election for a pointless party. Still, it will ensure the political commentators stay in employment.
People on twotter are saying stuff like "A vote for equality" or "A vote for the workers". Err...no.....you have to be in power to legislate for change.
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Retards 1, Common Sense 0 ::)
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It wasn't much of a battle, and that shouldn't come as a surprise.
After all, the re-emergence of a traditional screw you, I'm alright Conservative party was only going to end one way for the Labour party. Which is what happened.
Is it going to result in an electable Labour party? Not until the country is so sick of the Conservatives that anybody else would be an improvement. That's probably 3 general elections away.
This is how British politics 'works.'
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Corbyn reminds me of that other unashamed socialist Dennis Skinner.
I believe both to be decent honourable men.
Will the country south of Hadrians wall vote vote for him in significant numbers?.....I very much doubt it. :-\
If by some miracle he did become PM (by which time he will be seventy-one) at least he would let the all powerful banks know they were not above the law.
Cameron, Blair, and even Gordon Brown 'arse licked' the banks to such an extent that London and it's financial institutions could do as they pleased. The financial meltdown of 2007/8 being the result.
How many bankers are in prison for bringing the country to it's knee's?.... >:(
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Best question Skinner has ever asked in the house:
"As you are no doubt aware, the remains of King Richard the third were discovered this week in Leicester. Will the prime minister confirm that ATOS have declared him fit for work?"
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Best question Skinner has ever asked in the house:
"As you are no doubt aware, the remains of King Richard the third were discovered this week in Leicester. Will the prime minister confirm that ATOS have declared him fit for work?"
A question like that would certainly give Cameron the 'hump'....... ;) ;D
I believe that King Richard now works at Burger King on a zero hours contract. :)
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Gordon McRuin's tripartite regulation of the banks, loose money policy with too low interest rate to keep the economy growing on the back of a housing bubble, massive expansion and overspending of borrowed and taxpayers money on public services so they were running a large deficit at the top of the economic cycle and his Canute like efforts to justify it by extending the economic cycle and abolishing boom and bust not only exposed that he and his arrogant team were totally and utterly incompetent, but total and utter fools as well. Like the Conservatives with their ERM fiasco they deserve to be out of office for a generation (or more) as the electorate quite rightly punish unnecessary financial hardship through Government stupidity and incompetence. :y :y :y
And when disaster struck they were true to form, total incompetents, when it came to the Northern Rock situation, followed by Natwest and then organising a shotgun marriage to save Edinburgh based HBOS which dragged down Lloyds-TSB as well. :(
The banks obviously played their part as well, especially Fred the Shed and is an abject lesson on just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do something. :o :(
McRuin's working tax credits have also been a disaster which have held back wage rises and the Conservatives are correct to reform this and to push up the minimum wage and promote the working wage, which more organisations are adopting. Working tax credits subsidize low wage paying companies, which distorts the labour market and is wrong. :(
I agree that the reform of sickness benefit has been unnecessarily callus, which is why I backed the campaign to get deaths released for those stopped their sickness benefits. Bad political policies and systems need to be exposed, regardless who is in power.
Interesting paper recently by the well respected Brookings Institute in the US which shows that US Corporations now target quarterly share prices, earnings and dividends at the expense of wages and long term investment and long term earnings. It is basically a combination of three things; changes to corporate and investment laws, management targets and bonuses and aggressive very active investors who all too readily reach for their lawyers if targets aren't met. This has resulted in the biggest growth industry in the US is public company share buy-backs! 50% of sorting problems is identifying them, so hopefully changes will be made or companies outside of the US will benefit long term with greater R&D spending, better products and earnings. :y :y :y
Although I'm a free market capitalist, I'm more of the Joseph Cadbury mold than Tiny Rolands, where there has to be a social dimension to businesses and markets, they can't operate in isolation from the effects they have on people, the environment and the world. Having had experience of dealing with companies in most parts of the world I prefer the UK's and Japanese 'gentlemanly' capitalism to the dog-eat-dog US style. IME generally in Europe the further south the company is you are dealing with the more you have to watch them and the tighter have to be any credit terms. ???