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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: amazonian on 13 November 2015, 16:46:13
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started up yesterday and drove down road and noticed the engine electronic/transmission electronic/immobilizer symbol was lit up.
Car appeared to be in limp mode and it soon became apparent it was not changing gear (automatic).
I think it was in3rd all the time but not sure, anyway I changed gear 'manually' and completed my short journey.
On restarting the light stayed on, so I switched off removed the key and tried again and this time it stayed off and car ran normally for the rest of day.
switched on today and started but light stayed on, so restarted and light now off and running fine.
what shall I start worrying about first please chaps
Thank you.
2003 2.2CDX
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Need the codes read, probably find an 0340.
Are the LED lights on the auto selector behaving as they should?
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Well......do you know if it was in limp mode was the speed limited? or did it just refuse to go in top gear.
If it's gone in limp mode then you would expect a code to be stored. If it just failed to go in top it could be one of many things relating to engine or box side of things. Early symptoms of cam sensor or Something as simple as temp sensor for ECU would stop it going in top.
Not a lot of help at minute but I'm sure as more information comes out of this someone may be able to give some more pointers.
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Being a 2.2 strong money is on the cam sensor...
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Until you read the codes you will be pissing in the wind.
Save yourself time and money and get yourself a cheap OBD2 code reader. You will be able to tell us what the fault is then :y
(My favourite is a Bluetooth dongle (about £15) and 'Scanmyopel' on an Android phone)
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Yes it was definitely in limp mode, and it did what it was told when I changed manually.
Nothing came up on the MID and I dont have a code reader so if it persists I will have to find the nearest OOFER who can read em for me.
And the LED lights on the gear selector are normal.
Any way to test a cam sensor ?
Its running fine today by the way.
:) :)
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AndyH,
I thought all these cheap code readers were meant to be crap?
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Try the pedal trick... You might get lucky :-\
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I can only speak as I find. The combination of a cheap Bluetooth dongle and an Android app allows me to read codes and live data for the engine, gearbox and ABS/traction control on my 2.6.
The other tool that people report success with is the hand held Maxscan (about £70 IIRC)
The best tool is Tech2 but it costs approximately £3,500. If you want to code the security systems then it is the only 'safe' tool.
If you just need to read codes then there isn't much risk of doing any harm.
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Cheers for making all that clear then AndyH.
Posted by: Harris K Telemacher
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Try the pedal trick... You might get lucky
Tried the pedal trick, did'nt get lucky !
Anyone in West Sussex with a code reader and a spare 1/2 hour or however long it takes?
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If you don`t get the codes read, when/if it goes into limp mode, pull over and see if the revs are limited to around 3500K. If so it`s the cam sensor
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Hi RobG,
Yes the revs were limited, I dont recall the limit but 3500rpm sounds about right.
Harris K Telemacher suggests cam sensor as well.
I need to get the codes read then we shall know.
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Hi RobG,
Yes the revs were limited, I dont recall the limit but 3500rpm sounds about right.
Harris K Telemacher suggests cam sensor as well.
I need to get the codes read then we shall know.
:)
Codes aren't always conclusive... as likely to suggest total transmission failure as give a cam sensor code... rest assured though, a surefire symptom of cam sensor issues on the 2.2 is spurious gearbox codes ;)
Unfortunately I don't have a code reader :-[
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So if it were you then Harris, would you just do the cam sensor anyway.
And presumably I need a genuine VX one.
And could you do it for me :)
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If I understand the situation in a right way I had something similar with my AR 25 a year ago. In my case I had to change the "electronic box" in left side of the gear box connected to the selector shaft which goes into the box. System did not know anymore which gear was selected. Had to select manually gears. I opened the box afterwards and realized that the sliding connectors were worn out, remember 300- 400 euro was the price of the spare part. This case have been discussed here, I did not find it yet. Can this be the case?
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So if it were you then Harris, would you just do the cam sensor anyway.
And presumably I need a genuine VX one.
And could you do it for me :)
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Personally I would. Yes genuine only, that you physically have to collect. Go Vauxhall have a trade warehouse over in Burgess Hill, so would start there.
Part number should be 9012039, but double check with them against the reg/chassis number before ordering :y
As for fitting, should be fine, as looking like limited overtime in December... so hypothetically I have half the month off ::)
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If I understand the situation in a right way I had something similar with my AR 25 a year ago. In my case I had to change the "electronic box" in left side of the gear box connected to the selector shaft which goes into the box. System did not know anymore which gear was selected. Had to select manually gears. I opened the box afterwards and realized that the sliding connectors were worn out, remember 300- 400 euro was the price of the spare part. This case have been discussed here, I did not find it yet. Can this be the case?
The selector switch can cause problems - this guide Auto gearbox selector switch removal and cleaning (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90673.0) has some useful pictures.
With the code reader I have I can see which position the ECU thinks the selector switch is in which should help in diagnosis.
Odds are that it is the cam sensor though ;)
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If I understand the situation in a right way I had something similar with my AR 25 a year ago. In my case I had to change the "electronic box" in left side of the gear box connected to the selector shaft which goes into the box. System did not know anymore which gear was selected. Had to select manually gears. I opened the box afterwards and realized that the sliding connectors were worn out, remember 300- 400 euro was the price of the spare part. This case have been discussed here, I did not find it yet. Can this be the case?
When I touch the automatic gear selector in P position all the lights or leds PRND21 goes on
OP has a different problem to yours. All his LEDs behave normally
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Do you borrow a used known working proper 2.2 cam sensor
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So if it were you then Harris, would you just do the cam sensor anyway.
And presumably I need a genuine VX one.
And could you do it for me :)
:)
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Personally I would. Yes genuine only, that you physically have to collect. Go Vauxhall have a trade warehouse over in Burgess Hill, so would start there.
Part number should be 9012039, but double check with them against the reg/chassis number before ordering :y
As for fitting, should be fine, as looking like limited overtime in December... so hypothetically I have half the month off ::)
Not for a 2.2. Correct number is 90520850
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Thanks Rob :y
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what is this 'limp mode' you all talk about? does it just apply to autos? (bet it does). never had one or it myself :).
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what is this 'limp mode' you all talk about?
the engine goes into a get you to the nearest garage/home as best as it can mode ......
does it just apply to autos? (bet it does).
No .... it's the engine that's limping, not the gearbox
never had one or it myself :).
you should try one ........ 3 pedals bad ..... 2 pedals good ::) ::)
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what is this 'limp mode' you all talk about?
the engine goes into a get you to the nearest garage/home as best as it can mode ......
does it just apply to autos? (bet it does).
No .... it's the engine that's limping, not the gearbox
never had one or it myself :).
you should try one ........ 3 pedals bad ..... 2 pedals good ::) ::)
Bahpishhumbug ::)
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what is this 'limp mode' you all talk about?
the engine goes into a get you to the nearest garage/home as best as it can mode ......
does it just apply to autos? (bet it does).
No .... it's the engine that's limping, not the gearbox
never had one or it myself :).
you should try one ........ 3 pedals bad ..... 2 pedals good ::) ::)
Bahpishhumbug ::)
All my replies or justthe last bit ....... ::) ::)
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what is this 'limp mode' you all talk about?
the engine goes into a get you to the nearest garage/home as best as it can mode ......
does it just apply to autos? (bet it does).
No .... it's the engine that's limping, not the gearbox
never had one or it myself :).
you should try one ........ 3 pedals bad ..... 2 pedals good ::) ::)
Bahpishhumbug ::)
All my replies or justthe last bit ....... ::) ::)
He's "Bahpishhumbug"ing his own inability to drive a "proper" luxury saloon .... one where the number of pedals equals the number of feet .. :)
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He's "Bahpishhumbug"ing his own inability to drive a "proper" luxury saloon .... one where the number of pedals equals the number of feet .. :)
I thought better of Al ...... I didn't realise he was one of the 'I want to be in control' boys ;D ;D
As you say .... 2 feet = 2 pedals! what more could you ever need :y :y
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Thanks lads for all the input, If I can get codes read I will, but will probably get new cam sensor anyway and get Harris K Telemacher to bung it on when he can.
:) :)
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He's "Bahpishhumbug"ing his own inability to drive a "proper" luxury saloon .... one where the number of pedals equals the number of feet .. :)
I thought better of Al ...... I didn't realise he was one of the 'I want to be in control' boys ;D ;D
As you say .... 2 feet = 2 pedals! what more could you ever need :y :y
You mean my ability to use two feet to do more than one thing ;D
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Thanks lads for all the input, If I can get codes read I will, but will probably get new cam sensor anyway and get Harris K Telemacher to bung it on when he can.
:) :)
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I'm nearby at the moment with a code reader that might read codes for you... PM incoming
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Right, so 2 weeks have gone by and no problems, but today the light came on again.
No symptons at all from performance, no limp mode, nothing flashing just normal.
Got home switched off, switched back on again and light now out.
Any ideas chaps, I would like to nip this in the bud before it lets me down?
Had codes read after last time it happened but nothing found or stored, pedal trick wont work on this car, all lights near gear selector working normally.
Is it time to do cam sensor do you reckon or can I check anything else first?
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If no misfire/rough idling, and everything else apparently fine, the yes, it's most likely the cam sensor... won't actually leave you stranded, but it will potentially require alot of cranking to fire... this being the acid test along with no other information as to the problem...
Only buy from a genuine VX dealer that you genuinely have to go to... Go Vauxhall in Burgess Hill is probably the nearest currently :y
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Cheers Al, I will get one this week then and see what happens.
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