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Title: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: iwasthestig on 29 December 2015, 10:49:28
I've got a 3.0 V6 that has had a misfire since I bought it, thought it would be a nice easy fix, started by changing the coil pack and leads which didn't help, have checked for air leaks/vac leaks and tried a crank sensor just on the off chance, my diag brought up a fault code relating to the maf sensor which I swapped with no joy. The misfire is without doubt on cylinder 6 and the engine sounds like it's tapping as well... Any ideas?

Cheers Chris
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: terry paget on 29 December 2015, 11:06:08
Did you change the plugs? That's where I always start with a misfire. You my find one is broken, blackened, or you may find oil or water in the plug holes.
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: iwasthestig on 29 December 2015, 11:58:39
I tried those along with the leads and plugs, all were nice and clean apart from cylinder 6 which was black.
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: zirk on 29 December 2015, 12:21:19
I tried those along with the leads and plugs, all were nice and clean apart from cylinder 6 which was black.
Dry Black or Wet Black?
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: iwasthestig on 29 December 2015, 12:29:14
Wet black,
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: zirk on 29 December 2015, 12:31:28
Wet black,
Oil or Unburnt fuel?
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: iwasthestig on 29 December 2015, 13:03:37
Unburnt fuel, only thing I could think of with these symptoms is lack of compression
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: Nick W on 29 December 2015, 13:08:00
Is the coil actually firing that cylinder? At least with a coil and leads you can check easily. If there isn't a spark then you have an ignition fault, probably on the coil. But you do need to check why the plug is black. If there was a lot of unburnt fuel in the cylinder you could have contaminated the new plug before it had a chance to do any real work. It is also worth ensuring that you connected the leads to the coil correctly; the V6 will run OK(ish!) with a pair the wrong way.



But, your reported tapping suggests a further problem. That could be a stuck cam lifter, or even a stuck open injector. Both of those are much harder to diagnose, and in the case of the lifter much harder to fix.


A lack of compression is easily tested, but doesn't really match your wet plug.
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: zirk on 29 December 2015, 13:08:46
Unburnt fuel, only thing I could think of with these symptoms is lack of compression
worth doing if you have access to a tester.

Where the replacement Dis Pack and leads known good ones.
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: iwasthestig on 29 December 2015, 13:38:00
I have got a compression tester so worth doing, dis pack and leads were brand new, can't imagine the new ones having same fault as originals
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: 05omegav6 on 29 December 2015, 15:06:41
I have got a compression tester so worth doing, dis pack and leads were brand new, can't imagine the new ones having same fault as originals
It can happen, especially with cheaper electrical components...
Title: Re: 3.0 V6 Misfire and Tapping
Post by: sjc on 29 December 2015, 17:31:22
Easiest way to test if that cylinder is getting a spark is to plug a longer lead into the coil pack, put a spare spark plug in the end of it and (holding it by the rubber boot of course) touch it against the block while the engine is running or being turned over on the starter.

I had a coil pack fail on ports 1 & 5 recently and oddly enough in the middle of doing the head gaskets - guess it didn't like being disturbed  ::)

In case it helps... the lead order should be

Type with oval wiring plug and all connections facing upwards:
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|  |:|   5  x  3  x  1  |
|  |:|   2  x  6  x  4  |
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Type with rectangular wiring plug (facing upwards) and plug lead connections facing the back of the car
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|  1  x  3  x  5  |
|  4  x  6  x  2  |
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