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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Debs. on 16 July 2008, 20:39:54
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Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!
Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again.... >:(
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Christ!!!!!! Why dont they just stop it!! interfearing useless wasters! That will have huge impacts for the farming population.
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that is f^&*!^~ outrageous .kick the little guy (or girl)when they,re down. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Sounds like food will be going up again then >:(
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have they offered a pathetic excuse ,or just -a "peasants must comply with orders" directive ? >:( >:( >:(
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Typical Socialist "we know how to run (ruin ?? ) your lives" crap >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I think these are the flailings of a government in the death throws of their term of office. They don't have a ruddy clue.
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I think these are the flailings of a government in the death throws of their term of office. They don't have a ruddy clue.
Nor did they ever ::)
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have they offered a pathetic excuse ,or just -a "peasants must comply with orders" directive ? >:( >:( >:(
"Action to prevent fraud and duty avoidance"
Seems to me that having all that unidentifiable/untraceable and 50% commercially-rebated "White/legal-looking DERV" sloshing around the fuel black-market will open up MORE avenues for crime/fraud.....but, there I go again; using common sense....it`ll never do! :(
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have they offered a pathetic excuse ,or just -a "peasants must comply with orders" directive ? >:( >:( >:(
"Action to prevent fraud and duty avoidance"
Seems to me that having all that unidentifiable/untraceable and 50% commercially-rebated "White/legal-looking DERV" sloshing around the fuel black-market will open up MORE avenues for crime/fraud.....but, there I go again; using common sense....it`ll never do! :(
Dont use that common sense Debs!!! Who knows where it will all end ;D ;D Very sad state to be in TBH
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That'll be the diesel dippers out of a job then.
Wonder what gormless scheme they'll dream up to keep that army of fuel duty inspectors busy now then.
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heating oil ;) :-X
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Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!
Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again.... >:(
I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?
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heating oil ;) :-X
I believe in some parts of the U.K there`s presently a 10 day wait for Kersosene (heating oil) deliveries, the bunker companies are citing: "Supply problems"!!!!
Kerosene is currently priced at 60p/litre (that`s a 100% increase in the last 18 months).....but, wait for it: there`s a 10p/litre surcharge for deliveries under 6000 litres!!!!!!!! :o
Somebody is making a killing out of the fuel price/tax situation >:(
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Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!
Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again.... >:(
But with all the criminal activity going on around this fuel it must be the case of the minority spoliling it for the majority! >:( >:(
Now the likes of you Debs suffer from those fools through no fault of your own, and makes farming even harder! >:(
I am sure you will not let this get you down though! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!
Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again.... >:(
I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?
Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!! ;D ;)
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
Imagine what the greenies would do then? ::) ::) :D
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It cant be cost effective to start processing a shed load of rebate papers!
Another quango is it!
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That's great! They'll have to pretty much rubber stamp the refund applications. (How do you prove how much diesel a farmer needs anyway?) Then the stuff is not traceable so any excess will go straight into road vehicles with no prospect of tracing it. >:(
Still, it'll no doubt keep a thousand breakless civil servants in work and provide an excuse for another public sector IT debacle to cripple the farming community by denying them what's due. >:(
Kevin
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just what the country needs-more civil servants.they might have to raid our pension funds again to be able to pay for their index linked version. >:(
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Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!
Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again.... >:(
I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?
Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!! ;D ;)
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
Imagine what the greenies would do then? ::) ::) :D
Kettles :o
Want to see smoke see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4
BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle :P
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That's great! They'll have to pretty much rubber stamp the refund applications. (How do you prove how much diesel a farmer needs anyway?) Then the stuff is not traceable so any excess will go straight into road vehicles with no prospect of tracing it. >:(
Still, it'll no doubt keep a thousand breakless civil servants in work and provide an excuse for another public sector IT debacle to cripple the farming community by denying them what's due. >:(
Kevin
Hmm my farmer cousin runs a TD Discovery - cheap fuel now I suppose
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Kettles :o
Want to see smoke see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4
BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle :P
Ah yes, the old 12CSVT English Electric V12 diesel.....they have been load bank testing one at Ruddington recently.
I guess they had a bank shut down whilst idling in the station and hence the smoke!
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Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!
Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again.... >:(
I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?
Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!! ;D ;)
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
Imagine what the greenies would do then? ::) ::) :D
Kettles :o
Want to see smoke see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4
BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle :P
Thanks for that! Got to hand it to you Martin that is really good! Is that a 'Peak' / Class 45 at the head of that train? Whatever lovely sight and sound and, joking aside, I actually DO love many diesel classes; it's the sound of them I love! :-* :-*
The fireman needs sacking though as he should adopt the rule "little and often" when shoveling the coal in, to avoid all that black smoke, and always place it in to the back corners of the firebox as well! Sorry; just remembered it's a diesel; the 'fireman' cannot control things like that on one of those can he!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
PS I still see regulary around Ashford two immaculate class 37's usually on Dungerness nuclear waste disposal trains, but ocassionally on enthusiat "specials". Lovely sight and sound again!
:-* :-* :-* :y
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Network rail still uses the clas 37's although there are loads in Toton yard at the moment for disposal.
The Class 37 is actually pretty light (about 100tons but, not that powerful though) so can pull freight loads along some of the lighter duty lines (i.e. scotland and some of the goods branches) where a 60 or 66 would be to heavy.
In fact, they were re-building some at Barrow Hill for scottish use very recently.
Local to me they have, 3 class 20's, 1 class 25, 1 class 37, 2 calls 47's and 1 class 56 most of which are fully operational!
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We have still got farm diesel here in Spain. I use very little in a year so it won't make much difference to me. Last lot was 3/4 price of normal diesel.
I will watch the situation and see what happens. Spain too is jumping on the follow EU directives bandwagon. We have to be acredited at pruning and spraying. All plastic containers for chemicals are recycled at point of sale (used to just be burnt at point of use!).
varche
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Typical Socialist "we know how to run (ruin ?? ) your lives" crap >:( >:( >:( >:(
Ah well! the peasants voted for a socialist government and that is exactly what they got! :'(
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Thinking about this a little further, with theft of diesel from farms and other sites where it is stored a real problem at the moment, is making the diesel untraceable really a good idea?
Kevin
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Thinking about this a little further, with theft of diesel from farms and other sites where it is stored a real problem at the moment, is making the diesel untraceable really a good idea?
Kevin
No but, when have you ever seen a politician apply logic!
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Kettles :o
Want to see smoke see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4
BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle :P
Ah yes, the old 12CSVT English Electric V12 diesel.....they have been load bank testing one at Ruddington recently.
I guess they had a bank shut down whilst idling in the station and hence the smoke!
No that one AFAIR was just leaky injectors.
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Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!
Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again.... >:(
I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?
Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!! ;D ;)
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
Imagine what the greenies would do then? ::) ::) :D
Kettles :o
Want to see smoke see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4
BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle :P
Thanks for that! Got to hand it to you Martin that is really good! Is that a 'Peak' / Class 45 at the head of that train? Whatever lovely sight and sound and, joking aside, I actually DO love many diesel classes; it's the sound of them I love! :-* :-*
The fireman needs sacking though as he should adopt the rule "little and often" when shoveling the coal in, to avoid all that black smoke, and always place it in to the back corners of the firebox as well! Sorry; just remembered it's a diesel; the 'fireman' cannot control things like that on one of those can he!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
PS I still see regulary around Ashford two immaculate class 37's usually on Dungerness nuclear waste disposal trains, but ocassionally on enthusiat "specials". Lovely sight and sound again!
:-* :-* :-* :y
It's a 37 ::)
The EE engines do sound nicer than Sulzers. And the charge cooled ones better than the non charge cooled.
The original traction versions from the mid 30s are the direct ancestors.
C Charge Cooled
S Turbo
K Straight
C C
T Traction
6KT shunter engine - 350bhp
Turbo intercooled 4 was 600bhp
Turbo V8 1000bhp
Turbo V16 started at 1600 (LMS 10000) then 1750 (SR 10201) finally 2000 (SR 10203 & Class 40s) added charge cooling 2700bhp, last used in the class 56 at 3250bhp
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No that one AFAIR was just leaky injectors.
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that was a tractor pulling level of black smoke though. Enough to make a nut-muncher cry. ;D
Kevin
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Network rail still uses the clas 37's although there are loads in Toton yard at the moment for disposal.
The Class 37 is actually pretty light (about 100tons but, not that powerful though) so can pull freight loads along some of the lighter duty lines (i.e. scotland and some of the goods branches) where a 60 or 66 would be to heavy.
In fact, they were re-building some at Barrow Hill for scottish use very recently.
Local to me they have, 3 class 20's, 1 class 25, 1 class 37, 2 calls 47's and 1 class 56 most of which are fully operational!
37 is a very good design, very long lasting, second most built BR Diesel design after the Brush 4s/47s.
When I was young I used to hear them working freight trains at night and the nearest railway was around 2 miles away.
The railway I am a lapsed member of have ownedat at various times
1 x LMS 060DE
2 x 03
1 x 08 (left)
3 x 14 (2 left)
1 x 20 (occasionally borrow another to get a pair)
1 x 24
1 x 26
2 x 37
1 x 45
2 x 47
1 x 50 (left)
1 x 73
108 2 car set
guests included
20
31
42
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No that one AFAIR was just leaky injectors.
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that was a tractor pulling level of black smoke though. Enough to make a nut-muncher cry. ;D
Kevin
That clip is very popular with the 37 fans - in fact I uploaded it due to comments of people remembering that weekend.
Only sold 4 DVDs from these adverts though :(
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I remember the Watercress Line was used to train up crews on the new rolling stock for the main line when I first moved to Alton. Lack of electrification was coped with my inserting an old diesel electric loco in the middle of the train as a generator. I could hear that from my then home (1 mile away from the line). It was a bizarre sight seeing a train of brand new Siemens rolling stock with a smoky old diesel in the middle (it was smoky, too!).
Kevin
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I remember the Watercress Line was used to train up crews on the new rolling stock for the main line when I first moved to Alton. Lack of electrification was coped with my inserting an old diesel electric loco in the middle of the train as a generator. I could hear that from my then home (1 mile away from the line). It was a bizarre sight seeing a train of brand new Siemens rolling stock with a smoky old diesel in the middle (it was smoky, too!).
Kevin
I wonder how they connected the gene-loco up to the traction-unit; through the ETH cable perhaps?
I love BIG diesels, my friend has a preserved Class 40 and also (my favourite) a Brush-Sulzer 47.......the latter; I`ve had the pleasure many times to drive. From a standing start (W.O.T) to a very scary 'flat out' 95 MPH (many years ago when such things were possible on B.R). ;)
I have since 'passed-out' on the 47: `have my driving permit c/w MGR, steam heat and ETH endorsements......Ahhhhh, Happy days!:y
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If the EMUs were standard SR control they can control a 33/1 or a 73.
And when did you drive for BR then Debs?
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If the EMUs were standard SR control they can control a 33/1 or a 73.
And when did you drive for BR then Debs?
:o No, I didn`t at all! :-[
I had a close-relative whom was a top-link driver based at Mollington St. TMD (Birkenhead).....many a happy day in my yoof spent in the left-seat (under his tutelage) with me there; under the seudonym: "S.E Condman"....even though he was driving single-manned ;D
Since than, I have had an affinity with railways (big and little)....`got my driving permits on a friend`s preserved class 47 loco :y
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/CleverCollies/DebdrivingsteamLocomotive.jpg)
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I remember the Watercress Line was used to train up crews on the new rolling stock for the main line when I first moved to Alton. Lack of electrification was coped with my inserting an old diesel electric loco in the middle of the train as a generator. I could hear that from my then home (1 mile away from the line). It was a bizarre sight seeing a train of brand new Siemens rolling stock with a smoky old diesel in the middle (it was smoky, too!).
Kevin
I wonder how they connected the gene-loco up to the traction-unit; through the ETH cable perhaps?
I love BIG diesels, my friend has a preserved Class 40 and also (my favourite) a Brush-Sulzer 47.......the latter; I`ve had the pleasure many times to drive. From a standing start (W.O.T) to a very scary 'flat out' 95 MPH (many years ago when such things were possible on B.R). ;)
I have since 'passed-out' on the 47: `have my driving permit c/w MGR, steam heat and ETH endorsements......Ahhhhh, Happy days!:y
Deb's, is there anything at all that you have not done ;D ;D ;D
You seem to have lived such a full life, for one so young. :y :y :y
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I remember the Watercress Line was used to train up crews on the new rolling stock for the main line when I first moved to Alton. Lack of electrification was coped with my inserting an old diesel electric loco in the middle of the train as a generator. I could hear that from my then home (1 mile away from the line). It was a bizarre sight seeing a train of brand new Siemens rolling stock with a smoky old diesel in the middle (it was smoky, too!).
Kevin
I wonder how they connected the gene-loco up to the traction-unit; through the ETH cable perhaps?
I love BIG diesels, my friend has a preserved Class 40 and also (my favourite) a Brush-Sulzer 47.......the latter; I`ve had the pleasure many times to drive. From a standing start (W.O.T) to a very scary 'flat out' 95 MPH (many years ago when such things were possible on B.R). ;)
I have since 'passed-out' on the 47: `have my driving permit c/w MGR, steam heat and ETH endorsements......Ahhhhh, Happy days!:y
Deb's, is there anything at all that you have not done ;D ;D ;D
You seem to have lived such a full life, for one so young. :y :y :y
...If only! ::)
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I remember the Watercress Line was used to train up crews on the new rolling stock for the main line when I first moved to Alton. Lack of electrification was coped with my inserting an old diesel electric loco in the middle of the train as a generator. I could hear that from my then home (1 mile away from the line). It was a bizarre sight seeing a train of brand new Siemens rolling stock with a smoky old diesel in the middle (it was smoky, too!).
Kevin
I wonder how they connected the gene-loco up to the traction-unit; through the ETH cable perhaps?
I love BIG diesels, my friend has a preserved Class 40 and also (my favourite) a Brush-Sulzer 47.......the latter; I`ve had the pleasure many times to drive. From a standing start (W.O.T) to a very scary 'flat out' 95 MPH (many years ago when such things were possible on B.R). ;)
I have since 'passed-out' on the 47: `have my driving permit c/w MGR, steam heat and ETH endorsements......Ahhhhh, Happy days!:y
Deb's, is there anything at all that you have not done ;D ;D ;D
You seem to have lived such a full life, for one so young. :y :y :y
...If only! ::)
It's all relative............ ;D ;D ;D
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If the EMUs were standard SR control they can control a 33/1 or a 73.
And when did you drive for BR then Debs?
:o No, I didn`t at all! :-[
I had a close-relative whom was a top-link driver based at Mollington St. TMD (Birkenhead).....many a happy day in my yoof spent in the left-seat (under his tutelage) with me there; under the seudonym: "S.E Condman"....even though he was driving single-manned ;D
Since than, I have had an affinity with railways (big and little)....`got my driving permits on a friend`s preserved class 47 loco :y
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/CleverCollies/DebdrivingsteamLocomotive.jpg)
Ahh I see
Nice Pannier
Which railway is the 47 at?
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One vote for diesels - Deltic class, what an engine
But steam is nice too....
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If the EMUs were standard SR control they can control a 33/1 or a 73.
And when did you drive for BR then Debs?
:o No, I didn`t at all! :-[
I had a close-relative whom was a top-link driver based at Mollington St. TMD (Birkenhead).....many a happy day in my yoof spent in the left-seat (under his tutelage) with me there; under the seudonym: "S.E Condman"....even though he was driving single-manned ;D
Since than, I have had an affinity with railways (big and little)....`got my driving permits on a friend`s preserved class 47 loco :y
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/CleverCollies/DebdrivingsteamLocomotive.jpg)
Ahh I see
Nice Pannier
Which railway is the 47 at?
She`s named Orion (D1566) and is conveniently close: at Llangollen. ;)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRsemrJrUiE[/media]
BTW: That`s my-own lil`5" Pannier Tank :y
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One vote for diesels - Deltic class, what an engine
But steam is nice too....
:y Ahhhh.......Napiers! :y
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One vote for diesels - Deltic class, what an engine
But steam is nice too....
:y Ahhhh.......Napiers! :y
Yes, the joy of a boat engine ;D
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That's great! They'll have to pretty much rubber stamp the refund applications. (How do you prove how much diesel a farmer needs anyway?) Then the stuff is not traceable so any excess will go straight into road vehicles with no prospect of tracing it. >:(
Still, it'll no doubt keep a thousand breakless civil servants in work and provide an excuse for another public sector IT debacle to cripple the farming community by denying them what's due. >:(
2 BREAKDOWNS IN THE VOSA COMPUTER MOT SYSTEM THIS WEEK, ALL DAY TUESDAY WAS THE WORST, CANCELLED TESTS, CUSTOMERS HAVING TO RETURN TO COLLECT CERTIFICATES. ANY CHANCE OF COMPENSATION FOR THE LOST WORK ? DO NOT BE SILLY.
Kevin
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That's great! They'll have to pretty much rubber stamp the refund applications. (How do you prove how much diesel a farmer needs anyway?) Then the stuff is not traceable so any excess will go straight into road vehicles with no prospect of tracing it. >:(
Still, it'll no doubt keep a thousand breakless civil servants in work and provide an excuse for another public sector IT debacle to cripple the farming community by denying them what's due. >:(
2 BREAKDOWNS IN THE VOSA COMPUTER MOT SYSTEM THIS WEEK, ALL DAY TUESDAY WAS THE WORST, CANCELLED TESTS, CUSTOMERS HAVING TO RETURN TO COLLECT CERTIFICATES. ANY CHANCE OF COMPENSATION FOR THE LOST WORK ? DO NOT BE SILLY.
Kevin
Is this still going on? I had this trying to get a ticket on the Westfield the first year they computerised. Took 3 attempts on consecutive days to get it tested. Bloke at the garage was spitting feathers.
Then again, so was I when I finally got a test and found I had overlooked a split rack gaiter!
Kevin
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Network rail still uses the clas 37's although there are loads in Toton yard at the moment for disposal.
The Class 37 is actually pretty light (about 100tons but, not that powerful though) so can pull freight loads along some of the lighter duty lines (i.e. scotland and some of the goods branches) where a 60 or 66 would be to heavy.
In fact, they were re-building some at Barrow Hill for scottish use very recently.
Local to me they have, 3 class 20's, 1 class 25, 1 class 37, 2 calls 47's and 1 class 56 most of which are fully operational![/quote]
Thanks Mark for that info! :y I am very surprised that there are any Class 20's and 25's still knocking about away from preservation societies. :o :o Good news though! :y
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Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!
Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again.... >:(
I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?
Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!! ;D ;)
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
Imagine what the greenies would do then? ::) ::) :D
Kettles :o
Want to see smoke see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4
BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle :P
Thanks for that! Got to hand it to you Martin that is really good! Is that a 'Peak' / Class 45 at the head of that train? Whatever lovely sight and sound and, joking aside, I actually DO love many diesel classes; it's the sound of them I love! :-* :-*
The fireman needs sacking though as he should adopt the rule "little and often" when shoveling the coal in, to avoid all that black smoke, and always place it in to the back corners of the firebox as well! Sorry; just remembered it's a diesel; the 'fireman' cannot control things like that on one of those can he!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
PS I still see regulary around Ashford two immaculate class 37's usually on Dungerness nuclear waste disposal trains, but ocassionally on enthusiat "specials". Lovely sight and sound again!
:-* :-* :-* :y
It's a 37 ::)
The EE engines do sound nicer than Sulzers. And the charge cooled ones better than the non charge cooled.
The original traction versions from the mid 30s are the direct ancestors.
C Charge Cooled
S Turbo
K Straight
C C
T Traction
6KT shunter engine - 350bhp
Turbo intercooled 4 was 600bhp
Turbo V8 1000bhp
Turbo V16 started at 1600 (LMS 10000) then 1750 (SR 10201) finally 2000 (SR 10203 & Class 40s) added charge cooling 2700bhp, last used in the class 56 at 3250bhp
Well there you go Martin, I am a steam girl after all! ;D ;D :y
I am surprised you haven't mentioned the Deltics; :o :o now to me they are the best of the diesels! :y Got any good clips of those just to remind everyone what they are like and what the fuel fiasco (after all THE point of this thread!) could threaten. :( :(
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I remember the Watercress Line was used to train up crews on the new rolling stock for the main line when I first moved to Alton. Lack of electrification was coped with my inserting an old diesel electric loco in the middle of the train as a generator. I could hear that from my then home (1 mile away from the line). It was a bizarre sight seeing a train of brand new Siemens rolling stock with a smoky old diesel in the middle (it was smoky, too!).
Kevin
I wonder how they connected the gene-loco up to the traction-unit; through the ETH cable perhaps?
I love BIG diesels, my friend has a preserved Class 40 and also (my favourite) a Brush-Sulzer 47.......the latter; I`ve had the pleasure many times to drive. From a standing start (W.O.T) to a very scary 'flat out' 95 MPH (many years ago when such things were possible on B.R). ;)
I have since 'passed-out' on the 47: `have my driving permit c/w MGR, steam heat and ETH endorsements......Ahhhhh, Happy days!:y
Great Debs, another railway girl!! :y You are one of many parts!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!
Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again.... >:(
I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?
Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!! ;D ;)
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
Imagine what the greenies would do then? ::) ::) :D
Kettles :o
Want to see smoke see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4
BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle :P
Thanks for that! Got to hand it to you Martin that is really good! Is that a 'Peak' / Class 45 at the head of that train? Whatever lovely sight and sound and, joking aside, I actually DO love many diesel classes; it's the sound of them I love! :-* :-*
The fireman needs sacking though as he should adopt the rule "little and often" when shoveling the coal in, to avoid all that black smoke, and always place it in to the back corners of the firebox as well! Sorry; just remembered it's a diesel; the 'fireman' cannot control things like that on one of those can he!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
PS I still see regulary around Ashford two immaculate class 37's usually on Dungerness nuclear waste disposal trains, but ocassionally on enthusiat "specials". Lovely sight and sound again!
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It's a 37 ::)
The EE engines do sound nicer than Sulzers. And the charge cooled ones better than the non charge cooled.
The original traction versions from the mid 30s are the direct ancestors.
C Charge Cooled
S Turbo
K Straight
C C
T Traction
6KT shunter engine - 350bhp
Turbo intercooled 4 was 600bhp
Turbo V8 1000bhp
Turbo V16 started at 1600 (LMS 10000) then 1750 (SR 10201) finally 2000 (SR 10203 & Class 40s) added charge cooling 2700bhp, last used in the class 56 at 3250bhp
Well there you go Martin, I am a steam girl after all! ;D ;D :y
I am surprised you haven't mentioned the Deltics; :o :o now to me they are the best of the diesels! :y Got any good clips of those just to remind everyone what they are like and what the fuel fiasco (after all THE point of this thread!) could threaten. :( :(
I have mentioned them - but they are not part of the standard engine family, and I do like them
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Deltics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVtyEQKDrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94XNRkpr2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURlkP17GsA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbSm3eYoJB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF_69KD2CCM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP96__VpwSM
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Deltics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVtyEQKDrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94XNRkpr2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURlkP17GsA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbSm3eYoJB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF_69KD2CCM
Thanks Martin, they were great, and yes I noticed one Deltic had a Class 50 'Defiant' behind it! Bloody marvelous! :y :y :y