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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Entwood on 24 January 2016, 19:53:34
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/6eGhjhx8O9M?rel=0
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I think I'll still take the HSV, thanks all the same. :D
In manual, though. :P
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Impressive stuff. One day all cars will be electric.
Shame yet another person cannot pronounce Porsche correctly. Idiot.
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Electric cars are the future! :y
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Next test...
Both cars with 25mile range showing... a nice private test track, the M6 toll road would suffice, count to three and bury the (not so) loud pedal...
I suspect they will both run out at the same time ::)
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Next test...
Both cars with 25mile range showing... a nice private test track, the M6 toll road would suffice, count to three and bury the (not so) loud pedal...
I suspect they will both run out at the same time ::)
But how long before each can drive away? Although it would be interesting to try a Tesla; I suspect that most of my car use would suit it quite well. Then again, for my daily use over the last few years an Austin Seven would have sufficed 8)
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Whenever I see the front of the Tesla I always think late nineties Citroen.
It looks old-fashioned.
Not keen on glorified milk floats but I still prefer them to derv.
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If you do the kind of mileage that allows it, why wouldn't you drive an electric car? I would love one.
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Can't beat the sound of the Thunder From Down Under,will be picking mine up next weekend, glad it's not a poofy milk float ::)
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Think about it.....although the car I have bought is tweaked at north of 580 ponies, what is going to give you the most smiles when driving? something that's ready to turn round and bite you in the arse when you get a bit silly or the Duracell bunny car, that for all it's facets....it's not going to give you that driver involvement that the VXR is going to. Just a matter of personal choice really and let's face it Tesla will only be telling you what's good about their product and not the less favourable stuff such as battery life/replacement costs etc, and also you won't be able to nip it up to Daz or Serek or any of our most honourable members who help us to keep our cars servicable.I'm firmly in the fossil fuel camp as I'm looking forward to a bit of hooning before I hang up the car keys and stick my licence in the shredder......sorry electrickery's not for me ;)
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If you do the kind of mileage that allows it, why wouldn't you drive an electric car? I would love one.
Main reason for me is money. After all, a really nice Omega/E39/A6/Lexus/etc is £1500. How much is a Tesla?
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Give it a reasonable period of time and electric cars will be plentiful, cheap and practical. Then people will look back and say can you believe we had internal combustion engines in cars. All that delivering petrol to filling stations . Now we just exchange a battery already charged if needed but the car just charges itself wirelessly most of the time.
Having said that , in the meantime I'll keep looking for a V8.
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V8 :y
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Having driven examples of both, I would struggle to choose between them... both are practical performance saloons, new both cost £50k+, making them all but unaffordable. The Tesla has a better warranty too... Second hand, the Tesla holds more of its value, but both might have been hammered. Both have the ability to be sublime or playful depending on your mood. A Tesla daily driver along with a Chevy powered weekend toy is probably the way forward 8)
In short, the only thing the Tesla doesn't do is growl...
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My point exactly Al,my life expectancy dictates that I would prefer a 'fun' end to my driving career,not the silent world of the Bunny car, and if any one on here could even experience the 'heat' that I'm feeling from SWMBO about spending an amount of dosh that would buy around 60+ Omegas or perhaps more than that at today's prices,I'm making a life threatening decision here :o so it's got to be something that has a presence on the road and something that breathes fire when you nail it! Again my choice and not very practical as an every day driver, So again it comes down to personal requirements and for short to medium trips then electrickery works,BUT don't forget those slime balls at Westminster,they might be preaching about saving the environment now but will be secretly working out how they can recover the losses from the vast amount of revenue generated by UK road users if every one by some sort of miracle switched to electric vehicles. ::)
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I parked behind the Tesla in our car park this morning - it really is, honest to god, bigger than the truck! Well, wider at least. Must be an absolute sod in car parks..
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Having driven examples of both, I would struggle to choose between them... both are practical performance saloons, new both cost £50k+, making them all but unaffordable. The Tesla has a better warranty too... Second hand, the Tesla holds more of its value, but both might have been hammered. Both have the ability to be sublime or playful depending on your mood. A Tesla daily driver along with a Chevy powered weekend toy is probably the way forward 8)
In short, the only thing the Tesla doesn't do is growl...
That shouldn't be too hard to fix. Remember as kids having something agitated by bike wheel spokes? A speaker emitting something coupled to the rev counter would do the trick. In fact there is a market for some enterprising young soul.
I wonder if advocates of steam powered cars said that petrol powered cars would never catch on? ;D ;D
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In short, the only thing the Tesla doesn't do is growl...
To be honest I look forward to the day when the constant hum of traffic noise has all but gone as the vast majority of vehicles are electric. :y
No chavs with noisy exhausts or 16 year olds on 50cc 'bumble bee' bikes. ::) The tranquility will be lovely! :y
Maybe I won't be here to enjoy it though..... :-\ ::) ;D
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Looking at where I live that won't be happening in this century,our local council, 3-4 thousand new houses being built over the next few years,the neighbouring council projects building around a similar number.....life here is a about to turn to shite!
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Give it a few years and West Dorset will have a London postcode :y
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Looking at where I live that won't be happening in this century,our local council, 3-4 thousand new houses being built over the next few years,the neighbouring council projects building around a similar number.....life here is a about to get V8 noisy 8)
Fixed :y
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If you do the kind of mileage that allows it, why wouldn't you drive an electric car? I would love one.
Yes.....but your mundane selection of cars suggest you are not a petrolhead. ;)
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Electric cars were about when Moses was a boy.
Hydrogen fuel cell is the future. :y
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Is it easy to drive a Tesla smoothly?
I ask because electric motors produce maximum torque from zero RPM.
Electric milk floats are extremely jerky to drive.
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Is it easy to drive a Tesla smoothly?
I ask because electric motors produce maximum torque from zero RPM.
Electric milk floats are extremely jerky to drive.
Electric fork lift trucks are easy enough to drive/move slowly ..... :y
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Having driven examples of both, I would struggle to choose between them... both are practical performance saloons, new both cost £50k+, making them all but unaffordable. The Tesla has a better warranty too... Second hand, the Tesla holds more of its value, but both might have been hammered. Both have the ability to be sublime or playful depending on your mood. A Tesla daily driver along with a Chevy powered weekend toy is probably the way forward 8)
In short, the only thing the Tesla doesn't do is growl...
I'm with you there Al,I think the Tesla looks stunning,wouldn't mind the V8 either but prefer the Tesla to look at :y
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Is it easy to drive a Tesla smoothly?
I ask because electric motors produce maximum torque from zero RPM.
Electric milk floats are extremely jerky to drive.
Milk floats use an old-fashioned, low power electric motor cobbled onto an existing drivetrains. Modern electric vehicles are much more sophisticated. I've not driven a Tesla, but a Leaf makes an automatic Omega feel like the gearbox is full of rocks.
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Is it easy to drive a Tesla smoothly?
I ask because electric motors produce maximum torque from zero RPM.
Electric milk floats are extremely jerky to drive.
Milk floats use an old-fashioned, low power electric motor cobbled onto an existing drivetrains. Modern electric vehicles are much more sophisticated. I've not driven a Tesla, but a Leaf makes an automatic Omega feel like the gearbox is full of rocks.
That is heresy. :D ;D ;D
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Change my V8, never electric cars are for wimps .
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Milk floats use an old-fashioned, low power electric motor cobbled onto an existing drivetrains. Modern electric vehicles are much more sophisticated. I've not driven a Tesla, but a Leaf makes an automatic Omega feel like the gearbox is full of rocks.
;D ;D
Same was true of the i3 I drove.. then again the same was also true of the 1992 XJ12 and that had a gearbox very closely related to the Omega ;D
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I've changed my mind . Just seen the new V8 4 wheel drive Jaguar :o :o
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/big-cat-comes-out-to-play-leaked-brochure-reveals-567bhp-jaguar-f-type-svr/ar-BBoAGyS?li=AA8sb7&ocid=mailsignoutmd
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Change my V8, never electric cars are for wimps .
Seeing as how the Model S is capable of producing nearly three times the power and torque of your Merc, you might wish to reconsider that comment :-X
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Give it a few years and West Dorset will have a London postcode :y
If that happens, I won't sit around moaning about it. I'll be ow-da-here! :y
I'll move somewhere remote in the US and get an arsenal of guns! :y ........ and a V8! :D ;D
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Is it easy to drive a Tesla smoothly?
I ask because electric motors produce maximum torque from zero RPM.
Electric milk floats are extremely jerky to drive.
Drives like any other four door luxury saloon, only faster 8)
Seriously, things like creep and the amount of regenerative braking force are driver adjustable... so it can be set up to suit both driving stlye and mood at the touch of a button. The thing that takes the real getting used to is the lack of drivetrain noise... it has just a hint of tyre noise and a smidgen of wind noise, think proper Rolls noise levels :y
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All vehicles will have their plus and minus points but have been following the Tesla on youtube and it has certainly blown away all the myths of electric vehicles... slow, ugly brick shaped and low range. Yes they are expensive but so are a lot of BMWs Porsche and Audis but to name a few, if you cannot afford one not an issue if you can well best of luck. Seen a few where I live very nice and that's a few more than Ferraris and Lambos. Each to their own and thumbs up to Elon Musk for having the vision to build from the battery pack up. Oh as an aside Tesla provide battery packs and motors for some other manufacturers E cars, they just don't like to say so :y
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Change my V8, never electric cars are for wimps .
Seeing as how the Model S is capable of producing nearly three times the power and torque of your Merc, you might wish to reconsider that comment :-X
No need to reconsider , would never ever consider an electric car & as for power & torque the Merc never ever fails to make me smile , guess I am just set in my ways the next on my list C63 AMG.
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Regardless of whether I want an electric car or not I couldn't have one as the nearest I can park a car to the bungalow is across the street.I don't think neighbours/pedestrians/other motorists would be too happy at electrical leads trailing across the pavement/road while I was charging it overnight :D
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Regardless of whether I want an electric car or not I couldn't have one as the nearest I can park a car to the bungalow is across the street.I don't think neighbours/pedestrians/other motorists would be too happy at electrical leads trailing across the pavement/road while I was charging it overnight :D
Pikies might solved that problem for you. :)
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Change my V8, never electric cars are for wimps .
they must be tilbo has I have been told today by our accountant if you drive a milk float you cannot claim and business mileage on it...so no use as a business investment so at least they do have a target demographic
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Change my V8, never electric cars are for wimps .
they must be tilbo has I have been told today by our accountant if you drive a milk float you cannot claim and business mileage on it...so no use as a business investment so at least they do have a target demographic
I would change accountant then as he has no idea what he is talking about.
As for the smooth acceleration, it is entirely possible. I have driven a Leaf for over 2 years now and I can tell you that it changes the way you drive your petrol too. You learn to feather the accelerator to gain speed more efficiently, keeping an eye on what the traffic ahead is doing and anticipating slow downs so you accelerate less and regen more. When you want or when your range allows, you can hit the loud pedal (aka super firkin high frequency whine) and smoke everyone else at the lights. When the model 3 comes out the leaf is going to be sold and we will get the tesla to compliment the other petrol car. Time will tell if the model 3 will have the range to completely do without petrol for longer range drives but I have had the leaf on a round trip to both Sheffield and Tenby from Camberley. The rapid chargers are great and in the time you grab a maccy d's or take sh!the you have at least 90% of your battery back. I also love the feature where I can preheat or precool the car from a distance with my phone. That's a game changer at 6 am on a winter morning.
I love the petrol engine and the sound it makes. I dislike the chavs racing past my house at 3am or the pollution I breath when I am cycling. I love my milk float and I think EVs are here to stay.
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Electric cars were about when Moses was a boy.
Hydrogen fuel cell is the future. :y
This is the only sensible post in this thread. Electricity is old-hat.
As for the rest, even a Nissan Leaf will embarrass a 3.2 Omega (even a Black one) in a TLGP.
When it comes to dated old V8's like in a (very nice but very underpowered) Merc....... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
My last V8 was a BMW (e39). Sounded rubbish because of the factory fitted stainless steel exhaust, no 'real' power..... just a waste of fuel.
Forced induction is the only way to get proper power from a Petrol Engine (or indeed Diesel, but that's a given).
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Give it a reasonable period of time and electric cars will be plentiful, cheap and practical. Then people will look back and say can you believe we had internal combustion engines in cars. All that delivering petrol to filling stations . Now we just exchange a battery already charged if needed but the car just charges itself wirelessly most of the time.
Having said that , in the meantime I'll keep looking for a V8.
They will be cheap because the batteries will be shagged and the cost of a set of new batteries will be a significant proportion of the cost of a new car....
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A manual 3.2 with no mechanical sympathy will keep a Leaf honest :-X
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Mm ? A car powered by glorified laptop batteries ::) Hope they are more reliable than the ones used in Sony laptops ;D
Its a nice looking car for £50k ::) Either they are too expensive or too ugly and expensive , time will tell and once they produce an affordable buzz car that looks like a car and not something Noddy drives it mite catch on ;D
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Funny enough saw a Tesla yesterday in a Lidl car park thought it was a Jag at first then saw the boot logo ,big ugly looking thing from the side,front looks cheap & nasty.Will stick with V8s always wanted one ,never hankered after an electric vehicle, just want to enjoy driving
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Change my V8, never electric cars are for wimps .
they must be tilbo has I have been told today by our accountant if you drive a milk float you cannot claim and business mileage on it...so no use as a business investment so at least they do have a target demographic
I would change accountant then as he has no idea what he is talking about.
Some crossed wires here I think. You cannot claim AFR for an electric car (this is what company car drivers get and is based on the cc of the engine and whether petrol,log or diesel). You can claim 45p/mile if you won the tesla or if you got it with a car allowance as your own. Electric cars were about when Moses was a boy.
Hydrogen fuel cell is the future. :y
This is the only sensible post in this thread. Electricity is old-hat.
Really? At the moment the main way we get hydrogen is as a by-product of petrol/dudes production - not exactly a helpful solution. Also global demand is growing faster than supply growth. What hydrogen does do is match our current "here's a tank of fuel, once it's gone fill it up" infrastructure.
Electricity has its own challenges but I wouldn't mark it as beaten yet. I think it will all come down to the top of the supply chain. If we crack hydrogen production it's a no-brainer. If we crack renewable electricity production, that will win out.
They will be cheap because the batteries will be shagged and the cost of a set of new batteries will be a significant proportion of the cost of a new car....
I think varche was referring to them becoming cheaper to produce. However, with the latest generation of electric cars the battery problem is a bit of an urban myth. Tesla sold a lot of S's to cab companies in Amsterdam as part of a study being done by the university there. The results suggest on average a tesla will retain 92% of its range at 100k miles. That's about 240 of its 260 miles. At that rate of degradation, I'd probably bet on tesla for longevity over a similarly powerful petrol car. The actual drivetrain in a tesla is really quite simple, it's the computers that make it work that are the clever bit.
Similar results have been seen with Chevrolet Volts in the USA, some reaching 250k with 75% battery life in tact.
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Electric cars are the future! :y
Hydrogen fuel cell cars are the future........ :y
Electric cars were around in Victorian times. :P :P :P
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Teleportation is the future. :)
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Funny enough saw a Tesla yesterday in a Lidl car park thought it was a Jag at first then saw the boot logo ,big ugly looking thing from the side,front looks cheap & nasty.Will stick with V8s always wanted one ,never hankered after an electric vehicle, just want to enjoy driving
I'd have a Tesla S P85D if one was laying around without a doubt, But I'd pay for a V8 :y
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I think I'll still take the HSV, thanks all the same. :D
In manual, though. :P
If I could afford the tesla then I could afford the HSV as well as the Lotus Carlton and the new Camaro LS1 (2017 model) oh and a bowler wildcat.
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I think I'll still take the HSV, thanks all the same. :D
In manual, though. :P
If I could afford the tesla then I could afford the HSV as well as the Lotus Carlton and the new Camaro LS1 (2017 model) oh and a bowler wildcat.
new Camaro ZL1 (2017 model) Left it too long to edit my post