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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: BazaJT on 07 April 2016, 06:40:28
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It seems the government are to spend £9.3m of tax payers money having pamphlets distributed to every home giving the "facts"as to why we should vote to stay in EU.As Boris says if public money is to be spent in this way surely it should put both sides of the argument?Is this a good use of public money?I for one think the 9.3m could've been better spent.
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The Govt. has set a legal spending limit of £7 million for each side of the campaign, yet it is spending way more than that on this single part of its campaign.
It claims it is giving people the facts, but the leaflet is completely dedicated to the Remainian argument.
Apparently one of its "facts" is that we currently control our own borders. ;D
Its a replica of the con trick pulled by Wilson in 1975. We can only hope that it will be a case of "wont get fooled again".
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How can a pamphlet produced by one side of a two-sided argument be described as 'giving the facts'?. By definition it's propaganda.
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I suspect not many will be fooled by this, and in fact, given the current distrust of the 'Establishment', - Panama etc. etc. - it will incline people to vote the opposite way. :y
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How can a pamphlet produced by one side of a two-sided argument be described as 'giving the facts'?. By definition it's propaganda.
Only if you want to leave. ;)
If you want Blighty to remain then it's well-reasoned common sense. ;)
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How can a pamphlet produced by one side of a two-sided argument be described as 'giving the facts'?. By definition it's propaganda.
You are confusing facts with opinions and political dogma. Each side uses the same facts to 'prove' that they are correct.
It goes like this:
The people say "you can always tell when a politician is lieing, his lips move"
The politicians say "we are doing this for everybody"
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Sadly I think that the Sheeple will fall for ' Project Fear ' and we will remain a member of the EU. :(
In my opinion this will be a disaster as the Europhile brigade will see this as a green light for further integration and harmonisation with the EU..... ::)
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Camoron keeps banging on about all the concessions he has negotiated with the rest of EU, So, what are they and are they only binding for a short amount of time? Also the Dutch have just rejected a deal that the rest had agreed regarding tariffs with Ukraine. So will The Netherlands voters move toward an "out" vote given the chance. :-\
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Camoron keeps banging on about all the concessions he has negotiated with the rest of EU, So, what are they and are they only binding for a short amount of time? Also the Dutch have just rejected a deal that the rest had agreed regarding tariffs with Ukraine. So will The Netherlands voters move toward an "out" vote given the chance. :-\
But the BBC dont say a word about that....You have to go to other news sites to read it
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Camoron keeps banging on about all the concessions he has negotiated with the rest of EU, So, what are they and are they only binding for a short amount of time? Also the Dutch have just rejected a deal that the rest had agreed regarding tariffs with Ukraine. So will The Netherlands voters move toward an "out" vote given the chance. :-\
But the BBC dont say a word about that....You have to go to other news sites to read it
Been on the Beeb twice today.
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There is an online petition at gov.uk requesting Cameron stops using taxpayers money to spread propaganda. It has gained 77,000 signatures in its first day.
I don't usually bother with such things, but Ive signed this one.
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Just heard that the leaflet has been nicknamed Juncker mail. I like that. :)
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;D ;D I just had a FaceAche post which read;
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Get your envelopes ready to send the "Stay In The EU" leaflet back. Post it to 10, Downing Street, London, SW1A 2AA. DON'T PUT A STAMP ON IT, LET THAT BASTARD PAY FOR IT.
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Yeah, because David Cameron funds his unpaid mail from his own pocket.
I WANT TO LEAVE THIS PLANET! >:(
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I fully intend to send mine back. :y :)
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I fully intend to send mine back. :y :)
I intend to wipe my arse with mine, but why send it back when it will do no good at all, especially if you don't pay the postage and it gets charged to........ the public? :-\
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Bearing in mind tonights news, if I don't send it back pdq, he may not live there anymore. ;) ;D
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Bearing in mind tonights news, if I don't send it back pdq, he may not live there anymore. ;) ;D
;D ;D ;D Just seen the news
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Can't see what he's done wrong tbh ???
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Legally, nothing. Morally, imo possibly nothing.H has covered it up and been economicalwith the truth. Finally told the truth last night (the whole truth ??). It has taken 5 statements in four days -like having teeth pulled, slowly
His credibility (what there was of it) has been damaged. It remains to be seen if the damage is fatal or not.
Personally, I hope it is, but not because of this particular issue. Im sick to the back teeth of "the heir to Bliar"
That style of leadership - the lies, the whole lies and nothing but the lies, has damaged the reputation of politics terribly.
Time for a change, as long as the change isn't Gideon the slug. Although his utter incompetence has hopefully ruled him out already.
We know were in deep trouble now ,as Boris is probably the best candidate for the job ! :o ;D
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Very spooky that Cameron's dad called his offshore company Blairmore. He must have known his son was more Blair. ;D
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Legally, nothing. Morally, imo possibly nothing.H has covered it up and been economicalwith the truth. Finally told the truth last night (the whole truth ??). It has taken 5 statements in four days -like having teeth pulled, slowly
His credibility (what there was of it) has been damaged. It remains to be seen if the damage is fatal or not.
Personally, I hope it is, but not because of this particular issue. Im sick to the back teeth of "the heir to Bliar"
That style of leadership - the lies, the whole lies and nothing but the lies, has damaged the reputation of politics terribly.
Time for a change, as long as the change isn't Gideon the slug. Although his utter incompetence has hopefully ruled him out already.
We know were in deep trouble now ,as Boris is probably the best candidate for the job ! :o ;D
How does that add up ?? He has told the truth throughout in answer to all questions put .. "do you hold" .. no "do you have" ..no ... now he's been asked "did you" and has replied... "yes I did and got rid of before I became PM so as to avoid any conflict of interest" .. so how is that wrong ??
Once agin the press and especially that scruffy, rude, idiot Preston trying to make a story out of nothing.... except of course their own left wing bias .. for which they will stoop at nothing to try and have a go at the government ....
As was once said by someone far cleverer than me ... "why let the truth get in the way of a good headline" .... and todays headlines are politically based on something from years ago ... 6 in this case of Cameron selling his shares, and his father dying ( and of course he cannot now defend himself .. so becomes an easy target)... have we seen Corbyn being crucified for stuff he did 6 years ago ??? No.. because it does not fit the agenda ....
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Legally, nothing. Morally, imo possibly nothing.H has covered it up and been economicalwith the truth. Finally told the truth last night (the whole truth ??). It has taken 5 statements in four days -like having teeth pulled, slowly
His credibility (what there was of it) has been damaged. It remains to be seen if the damage is fatal or not.
Personally, I hope it is, but not because of this particular issue. Im sick to the back teeth of "the heir to Bliar"
That style of leadership - the lies, the whole lies and nothing but the lies, has damaged the reputation of politics terribly.
Time for a change, as long as the change isn't Gideon the slug. Although his utter incompetence has hopefully ruled him out already.
We know were in deep trouble now ,as Boris is probably the best candidate for the job ! :o ;D
How does that add up ?? He has told the truth throughout in answer to all questions put .. "do you hold" .. no "do you have" ..no ... now he's been asked "did you" and has replied... "yes I did and got rid of before I became PM so as to avoid any conflict of interest" .. so how is that wrong ??
Once agin the press and especially that scruffy, rude, idiot Preston trying to make a story out of nothing.... except of course their own left wing bias .. for which they will stoop at nothing to try and have a go at the government ....
As was once said by someone far cleverer than me ... "why let the truth get in the way of a good headline" .... and todays headlines are politically based on something from years ago ... 6 in this case of Cameron selling his shares, and his father dying ( and of course he cannot now defend himself .. so becomes an easy target)... have we seen Corbyn being crucified for stuff he did 6 years ago ??? No.. because it does not fit the agenda ....
You are David Cameron and I claim my 10 pounds ;D ;D
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If Entwood is then so am I ;)
And you can bet your bottom dollar that if you rubbed hard enough the shiny would come right off those on the opposite side of the political fence and we'd find out all about their overseas holdings, too..
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If Entwood is then so am I ;)
And you can bet your bottom dollar that if you rubbed hard enough the shiny would come right off those on the opposite side of the political fence and we'd find out all about their overseas holdings, too..
I don't doubt it for a second Aaron :)
In fact one thing I have learnt over the years is that the more money and influence that people get, the more devious they are when it comes to protecting that money and perceived influence ;)
In fact when it comes down to politicians of all parties, the further they manage to arse lick and backstab there way up the food chain, the less you can trust them ;)
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To be fair, Mr Cameron did dispose of all such assets prior to becoming PM, specifically to avoid any such ambiguity. Answering the same question with a slightly fuller answer is a natural response of frustration bourne the out of the fact that the question was irrelevant as he had no such holdings to declare, and hasn't since 2010.
But why let that get in the way of a good story >:(
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I'm going to have a very large an' hot Vindaloo and save the results for the pack when it arrives,I wont mind paying the excess weight charge :o just to make sure Dave gets the real message,as it's just the same stuff that he and his bunch of bent tossers spend all their waking hours spouting at us ::)
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All in all, no different to Jason telling us we can't drink and drive knowing full well that his parents generation habitually did...
Or have I missed summat...
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And you can bet your bottom dollar that if you rubbed hard enough the shiny would come right off those on the opposite side of the political fence and we'd find out all about their overseas holdings, too..
I doubt you'd have to rub very hard to be honest! ::)
Think of the likes of Blair, Mandelson, Hain, and the Millibands.... ;)
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And you can bet your bottom dollar that if you rubbed hard enough the shiny would come right off those on the opposite side of the political fence and we'd find out all about their overseas holdings, too..
I doubt you'd have to rub very hard to be honest! ::)
Think of the likes of Blair, Mandelson, Hain, and the Millibands.... ;)
Even that idiot Corby must have summat to hide... He was positively arsey with reporters yesterday.
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Can't trust any of them because....it's all about the money!! the MP's expenses episode proved that and it's probably going on still, if the truth be known, but....with the politician scumbags who seem to be oblivious to the opinions of the electorate(except on the run up to elections) it's on a need to know basis and as we are all viewed as Plebs we just get the mushroom treatment and get told to jog on.... what a bunch of arrogant W**K**S! ::) ::)
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In the first part of this article in The Fail by Daniel Hannan, he talks about the expenses that can be claimed by MEP's ::)
Some you old codgers with dicky tickers probably shouldn't read it! :P ;D
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3530980/Please-sack-Euro-MP-DANIEL-HANNAN-money-perks-gets-Brussels-making-Britons-lives-harder-begging-nation-courage-job.html
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Can't trust any of them because....it's all about the money!! the MP's expenses episode proved that and it's probably going on still, if the truth be known, but....with the politician scumbags who seem to be oblivious to the opinions of the electorate(except on the run up to elections) it's on a need to know basis and as we are all viewed as Plebs we just get the mushroom treatment and get told to jog on.... what a bunch of arrogant W**K**S! ::) ::)
That's hardly a new concept though... been happening since the dawn of time.
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If Entwood is then so am I ;)
And you can bet your bottom dollar that if you rubbed hard enough the shiny would come right off those on the opposite side of the political fence and we'd find out all about their overseas holdings, too..
Apparently Labours Margeret Hodge (chair of the public accounts committee) had £1.5 million in shares in offshore accounts. :y
All in it together. ;) :D
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I've got a confession to make. Many years a go I had a reasonable sum of money, that I avoided paying tax on, invested it in an offshore emerging markets fund, which grew very well and I paid no tax on the gain.
All legally of course where I put the money into my pension fund. :y
Minimising your taxes is not illegal, tax evasion is.
If you are mobile and can split your time across three countries and setup a company for all your earnings in a tax haven then you can legally pay no tax. Rich politicians and their friends of all parties, would not want it anyother way, for obvious reasons. This is why, successful international people like sports personalities, pop starts, actors etc, all have three houses.
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Didn't really start this thread as a rant against any individual politician or not.Personally if I'd got a fat wad of cash and I could legally avoid tax on it then I would!It was more the thought that although there's supposed to be a cap of £7m for either camp the government is then going ahead and spending £9m+ of public money on leafleting every household giving us the "facts" with regard to a stay in vote!
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I've got a confession to make. Many years a go I had a reasonable sum of money, that I avoided paying tax on, invested it in an offshore emerging markets fund, which grew very well and I paid no tax on the gain.
All legally of course where I put the money into my pension fund. :y
Minimising your taxes is not illegal, tax evasion is.
If you are mobile and can split your time across three countries and setup a company for all your earnings in a tax haven then you can legally pay no tax. Rich politicians and their friends of all parties, would not want it anyother way, for obvious reasons. This is why, successful international people like sports personalities, pop starts, actors etc, all have three houses.
My own personal feelings are if you earned it, then you should pay the tax of the country you earned it in.
That way googly,star*uc*S, eBay, would all,be paying there rightfull tax in this country, as would all footballists, and polyticians, but as we all know some clever, accountant would find a way around it.
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I've got a confession to make. Many years a go I had a reasonable sum of money, that I avoided paying tax on, invested it in an offshore emerging markets fund, which grew very well and I paid no tax on the gain.
All legally of course where I put the money into my pension fund. :y
Minimising your taxes is not illegal, tax evasion is.
If you are mobile and can split your time across three countries and setup a company for all your earnings in a tax haven then you can legally pay no tax. Rich politicians and their friends of all parties, would not want it anyother way, for obvious reasons. This is why, successful international people like sports personalities, pop starts, actors etc, all have three houses.
My own personal feelings are if you earned it, then you should pay the tax of the country you earned it in.
That way googly,star*uc*S, eBay, would all,be paying there rightfull tax in this country, as would all footballists, and polyticians, but as we all know some clever, accountant would find a way around it.
That can't and doesn't work because of the global nature of businesses. Companies as long as they are consistent can choose where they make their profits. There are also 1m and 1 ways of moving profits around from intercompany loans to intellectual property rights.
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I've got a confession to make. Many years a go I had a reasonable sum of money, that I avoided paying tax on, invested it in an offshore emerging markets fund, which grew very well and I paid no tax on the gain.
All legally of course where I put the money into my pension fund. :y
Minimising your taxes is not illegal, tax evasion is.
If you are mobile and can split your time across three countries and setup a company for all your earnings in a tax haven then you can legally pay no tax. Rich politicians and their friends of all parties, would not want it anyother way, for obvious reasons. This is why, successful international people like sports personalities, pop starts, actors etc, all have three houses.
My own personal feelings are if you earned it, then you should pay the tax of the country you earned it in.
That way googly,star*uc*S, eBay, would all,be paying there rightfull tax in this country, as would all footballists, and polyticians, but as we all know some clever, accountant would find a way around it.
That can't and doesn't work because of the global nature of businesses. Companies as long as they are consistent can choose where they make their profits. There are also 1m and 1 ways of moving profits around from intercompany loans to intellectual property rights.
What you just put is a way to not pay tax, (e.g. a fiddle), if a company sell a product in this country,then there is tax due, very simplistic I know, but that's what's required, the laws need simplifying, black and white. But it won't happen. :'(
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I've got a confession to make. Many years a go I had a reasonable sum of money, that I avoided paying tax on, invested it in an offshore emerging markets fund, which grew very well and I paid no tax on the gain.
All legally of course where I put the money into my pension fund. :y
Minimising your taxes is not illegal, tax evasion is.
If you are mobile and can split your time across three countries and setup a company for all your earnings in a tax haven then you can legally pay no tax. Rich politicians and their friends of all parties, would not want it anyother way, for obvious reasons. This is why, successful international people like sports personalities, pop starts, actors etc, all have three houses.
My own personal feelings are if you earned it, then you should pay the tax of the country you earned it in.
That way googly,star*uc*S, eBay, would all,be paying there rightfull tax in this country, as would all footballists, and polyticians, but as we all know some clever, accountant would find a way around it.
That can't and doesn't work because of the global nature of businesses. Companies as long as they are consistent can choose where they make their profits. There are also 1m and 1 ways of moving profits around from intercompany loans to intellectual property rights.
What you just put is a way to not pay tax, (e.g. a fiddle), if a company sell a product in this country,then there is tax due, very simplistic I know, but that's what's required, the laws need simplifying, black and white. But it won't happen. :'(
Not at all how do you define 'earn in a country'? On persons 'fiddle' is another persons reasonable behaviour. The absolute criterian are court cases to set case law and corporations and UK Government have both avoided these as on one side they could have grave implications for UK trade and living standards and on the other Corporate profits. It suits both to muddle through. For corporates there can be a PR earnings implication as Starbucks found to their cost!
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I for one think the 9.3m could've been better spent.
Like give everyone who works 50p?
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That's hardly the point. Its an abuse of power and taxpayers money.
It has been deemed from the start that there will be an official Remain and an official Leave campaign.
They wont receive taxpayer funding and will be limited to a maximum of £7 million each in spending.
For the Govt to produce a pro EU propaganda leaflet after setting those ground rules, and use £9 million of taxpayers money to do it is disgraceful.
The good thing is that it looks like it has spectacularily backfired, as would be expected from this bunch of amateurs.
Like Camerons tax affairs, it has been terribly managed by people who haven't got a clue what they are doing.
They really don't deserve to be in Govt. but the alternative was unthinkable, so they got re -elected.
As I said in an earlier post. The most credible candidate for PM now is Boris. That should tell us we really are in deep trouble. :)
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That's hardly the point. Its an abuse of power and taxpayers money.
It has been deemed from the start that there will be an official Remain and an official Leave campaign.
They wont receive taxpayer funding and will be limited to a maximum of £7 million each in spending.
For the Govt to produce a pro EU propaganda leaflet after setting those ground rules, and use £9 million of taxpayers money to do it is disgraceful.
The good thing is that it looks like it has spectacularily backfired, as would be expected from this bunch of amateurs.
Like Camerons tax affairs, it has been terribly managed by people who haven't got a clue what they are doing.
They really don't deserve to be in Govt. but the alternative was unthinkable, so they got re -elected.
As I said in an earlier post. The most credible candidate for PM now is Boris. That should tell us we really are in deep trouble. :)
Yep, Britain's answer to the Donald. :o
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That's hardly the point. Its an abuse of power and taxpayers money.
Personally, I couldn't give 2 hoots either way if one or the other campaign spends what. We all know that any leaflet coming through the door will be from one camp or the other, and thus utterly useless as a source of information. Still, keeps the shredder exercised.
The only people who seem to be making a song and dance over this are those who think the general population are far more stupid than (I hope) they are.
What I do find a colossal waste of taxpayers money is the NHS, the custody system and the way the current benefits system works.
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Listen to everyone ramble on about this pamphlet/leaflet/book whatever the hell it is. Nobody has seen it yet, so let's see what it's all about *AND THEN make judgements.
*Judgements on the publication. Anyone who has any form of common sense will know which way they are voting anyway.
What makes me chuckle, is the vast amount of people on FaceAche who are incredibly vocal about this, are the type who are too busy to vote (in the pub) and didn't finish Secondary Education.
What a prosperous future we have!
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Listen to everyone ramble on about this pamphlet/leaflet/book whatever the hell it is. Nobody has seen it yet, so let's see what it's all about *AND THEN make judgements.
*Judgements on the publication. Anyone who has any form of common sense will know which way they are voting anyway.
What makes me chuckle, is the vast amount of people on FaceAche who are incredibly vocal about this, are the type who are too busy to vote (in the pub) and didn't finish Secondary Education.
What a prosperous future we have!
Nor did I. Left school before I was legally allowed to.Dont have as much as a woodwork certificate to my name. ;D
The details of the leaflet have been pre released / leaked to the media, so we pretty much know whats in it.
It gives us the facts. One of these facts is that we currently control our own borders. ;D
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My glossy little book arrived via the postie this morning. 16 pages, even has an aerial pic of Felixstowe docks, very impressive :D. If leaving the EU is better for the country, why are the main exit groups bickering among themselves as to who will be the official "out" party, instead of putting up a united front to leave if that is what is good for the country? I presume that this is still being fought on party lines and not on common sense ones. :-\
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I'm sure the "Remain" politicians are not at all concerned that if we leave, their nicely paid and pensioned retirement jobs in the EU will no longer be available, as per the Welsh windbag and family. ::)
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I'm sure the "Remain" politicians are not at all concerned that if we leave, their nicely paid and pensioned retirement jobs in the EU will no longer be available, as per the Welsh windbag and family. ::)
Wot? Tom Jones is an MEP. Sheesh.
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My glossy leaflet also arrived today.Didn't bother to look at it,put it straight in recycling box.
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My glossy little book arrived via the postie this morning. 16 pages, even has an aerial pic of Felixstowe docks, very impressive :D. If leaving the EU is better for the country, why are the main exit groups bickering among themselves as to who will be the official "out" party, instead of putting up a united front to leave if that is what is good for the country? I presume that this is still being fought on party lines and not on common sense ones. :-\
;D ;D ;D
I'm sorry, did you just use the phrase common sense in a political thread :o
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My glossy little book arrived via the postie this morning. 16 pages, even has an aerial pic of Felixstowe docks, very impressive :D. If leaving the EU is better for the country, why are the main exit groups bickering among themselves as to who will be the official "out" party, instead of putting up a united front to leave if that is what is good for the country? I presume that this is still being fought on party lines and not on common sense ones. :-\
;D ;D ;D
I'm sorry, did you just use the phrase common sense in a political thread :o
Yeah, i suppose i was being a tad optimistic. ::)