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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: amazonian on 08 April 2016, 20:56:40
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I have one BT phone socket in the house and lord knows why but its on the bedroom window sill.
I have a phone line and a wireless router plugged into it via a filter thingy.
To avoid paying BT £200 for the honour of a new socket, can I simply buy some extension cable with the right ends and install another socket in the hallway? or is there some snag to this?
Also would an extension of some 30-40ft in length have any detrimental effect on my broadband speed/performance?
Any advice much appreciated
:) :)
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Yes you can use an extension cable.
No it won't affect your Broadband speed, not by any noticeable amount, anyway.
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I have one BT socket and 3 "spur" extensions running from it ... all with no problems on phone or broadband. Very easy to do as well.
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Just remember, you will need an ADSL filter plugged into each socket that is being used. :y
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much obliged gents, little job for weekend then.
:) :)
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Use a quality telephone extension lead and not some Chinese cheapo of ebay.
(http://bt.custhelp.com/rnt/rnw/img/enduser/extension1.gif)
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Just go to b@q, Wickes and buy an extension kit, comes complete, with everything you need to extend,or as zikr said use an extension-lead.
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Thanks fellas.
:) :)
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If the socket in the bedroom is an NTE5 (google image for it - its the one with a "split" halfway down), then I'd recommend buying some decent cable and a decent socket. If you can get away without connecting pin3 at either end (most phones should work fine), that should have minimal impact on broadband.
If its a older style "master socket", then you will have to use an extension lead. These are not as good, and likely will impact ADSL/vDSL speed unless you live right next to the exchange. Though if you have vDSL/FTTC, its almost certain you'll have NTE5.
In the case of using a cable/socket solution, you may find you need to move router downstairs to maintain BB speed, due to reflections otherwise. With an extension lead, it'll be a case of suck it and see, as the reflection interference may be less than the SNR decrease on the extension.
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Surely, wouldn't it be easiest just to buy 2 or 3 way cordless phones? I would have thought there was a suitable mains socket close enough to where you want the extension phone/phones :-\
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This is getting more involved than I thought it would.
The socket in the bedroom is not a NTES, but a PCS whatever that is, and the phone and router lights annoy Swimbo at night so they have to be moved to the hallway.
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This is getting more involved than I thought it would.
The socket in the bedroom is not a NTES, but a PCS whatever that is, and the phone and router lights annoy Swimbo at night so they have to be moved to the hallway.
:)
Yeah, you're a bit knackered. Telephone extension cord is your only (legal) option, and they are unsuited to long distances.
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This is getting more involved than I thought it would.
The socket in the bedroom is not a NTES, but a PCS whatever that is, and the phone and router lights annoy Swimbo at night so they have to be moved to the hallway.
:)
Ummm black sticky tape over the leds might pacify swmbo
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This is getting more involved than I thought it would.
The socket in the bedroom is not a NTES, but a PCS whatever that is, and the phone and router lights annoy Swimbo at night so they have to be moved to the hallway.
:)
Yeah, you're a bit knackered. Telephone extension cord is your only (legal) option, and they are unsuited to long distances.
Rubbish. The extension cable is just as capable of carrying the signal as the miles (possibly) of underground cable from the exchange.
I've (in a previous residence) used a 40m extension cable (ok, I was naughty and extended from the master socket) and had no negative impact on ADSL speed.
Anybody who has seen the insides of a BT Cabinet would know that a shielded extension cable is the least of your worries! ;D
EDIT: In fact, my Sky Router is plugged into the furthest extension from the NTE5 socket in my current house (up two floors, across the loft and down two floors) and there is NO difference. I have FTTC.
SKY Fibre 40Mb Up and 10Mb Down
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/5240836693.png)
Modem Status;
Modem
Modem Status Connected
Traffic Type:PTM
Line Rate - Upstream (Kbps):9995
Line Rate - Downstream (Kbps):40000
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UTP is as good as any cable you can get these days, plenty of twists to.
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UTP is as good as any cable you can get these days, plenty of twists to.
To be honest, if it was me, that's exactly what I would do, get some UTP (Cat5/e will be fine) and install an extension cable neatly with some crimped 431a connectors on the ends etc, but that's easy for me as I have the materials, tools and test methods kicking around to do the job.
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This is getting more involved than I thought it would.
The socket in the bedroom is not a NTES, but a PCS whatever that is, and the phone and router lights annoy Swimbo at night so they have to be moved to the hallway.
:)
Yeah, you're a bit knackered. Telephone extension cord is your only (legal) option, and they are unsuited to long distances.
Rubbish. The extension cable is just as capable of carrying the signal as the miles (possibly) of underground cable from the exchange.
I've (in a previous residence) used a 40m extension cable (ok, I was naughty and extended from the master socket) and had no negative impact on ADSL speed.
Anybody who has seen the insides of a BT Cabinet would know that a shielded extension cable is the least of your worries! ;D
EDIT: In fact, my Sky Router is plugged into the furthest extension from the NTE5 socket in my current house (up two floors, across the loft and down two floors) and there is NO difference. I have FTTC.
SKY Fibre 40Mb Up and 10Mb Down
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/5240836693.png)
Modem Status;
Modem
Modem Status Connected
Traffic Type:PTM
Line Rate - Upstream (Kbps):9995
Line Rate - Downstream (Kbps):40000
No standard phone cables are shielded, be it UG, dropwire or internal. And yes, I've been in more cabs that most... ...fortunately there aren't many Midland style cabs about now, and virtually all cabs built in the last 20+ years will be IDC. In cabs (and other joints), no matter what sort, both the E and D sides maintain their twist up to the connection, and the jumper is twisted as well to eliminate cross talk.
The problems with plug in extension cables are:
1) For voice and internet, attenuation is high - this is why you can't get a good quality lead longer than 5m
2) For internet, an extension cable is flat, thus not twisted, hammering the SNR
Guessing with figures you're getting, you're within 300m of the cab, thus the line can easily maintain the headline speed. If you were further away, or had an 78Mbps service, you'd start to notice potential improvements ;)
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UTP is as good as any cable you can get these days, plenty of twists to.
To be honest, if it was me, that's exactly what I would do, get some UTP (Cat5/e will be fine) and install an extension cable neatly with some crimped 431a connectors on the ends etc, but that's easy for me as I have the materials, tools and test methods kicking around to do the job.
If it were me, I'd probably just slap an NTE5 on :-X
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UTP is as good as any cable you can get these days, plenty of twists to.
To be honest, if it was me, that's exactly what I would do, get some UTP (Cat5/e will be fine) and install an extension cable neatly with some crimped 431a connectors on the ends etc, but that's easy for me as I have the materials, tools and test methods kicking around to do the job.
If it were me, I'd probably just slap an NTE5 on :-X
Your a Naughty Boy, ;D "Sorry, Mr BT Engineer is was like that when I moved in !, and no, Ive got no idea why its says Maplin on the Face Plate" ::)
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UTP is as good as any cable you can get these days, plenty of twists to.
To be honest, if it was me, that's exactly what I would do, get some UTP (Cat5/e will be fine) and install an extension cable neatly with some crimped 431a connectors on the ends etc, but that's easy for me as I have the materials, tools and test methods kicking around to do the job.
If it were me, I'd probably just slap an NTE5 on :-X
Your a Naughty Boy, ;D "Sorry, Mr BT Engineer is was like that when I moved in !, and no, Ive got no idea why its says Maplin on the Face Plate" ::)
Obviously, I'd use a real one :P
When I had the 2 fibre lines upgraded from ADSL, the engineer couldn't believe his luck - it was all fitted and ready for him, so all he had to do was swing it in the cab, and drink tea ;D
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UTP is as good as any cable you can get these days, plenty of twists to.
To be honest, if it was me, that's exactly what I would do, get some UTP (Cat5/e will be fine) and install an extension cable neatly with some crimped 431a connectors on the ends etc, but that's easy for me as I have the materials, tools and test methods kicking around to do the job.
If it were me, I'd probably just slap an NTE5 on :-X
Your a Naughty Boy, ;D "Sorry, Mr BT Engineer is was like that when I moved in !, and no, Ive got no idea why its says Maplin on the Face Plate" ::)
Obviously, I'd use a real one :P
When I had the 2 fibre lines upgraded from ADSL, the engineer couldn't believe his luck - it was all fitted and ready for him, so all he had to do was swing it in the cab, and drink tea ;D
I must admit, years ago when I did a fair few Control Room shifts and moves, anything that was branded with the BT logo (mostly Faceplates) and were now redundant would end up in the 'BT Cardboard Box' in the back of my car.
That way, any odd jobs I did for family and friends would look as though it should be there so to speak. :-X
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And yes, I've been in more cabs that most... ...fortunately there aren't many Midland style cabs about now, and virtually all cabs built in the last 20+ years will be IDC. In cabs (and other joints), no matter what sort, both the E and D sides maintain their twist up to the connection, and the jumper is twisted as well to eliminate cross talk.
Ah Jelly crimps and paper twist labels. :-[ ;D
On our new builds we use CAT5E UTP to each residents room and terminate on our own 520 DP, usually when Newsites show up they then ditch the idea of bolting up a standard BT DP and use ours. They are happy to adopt our cabling as the specification exceeds BT specs. Obviously you also have three spare pairs per room as well....
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You lot know now't ::)
You just can't beat a run of old 6 core alarm cable stuck under the edge of the carpet with any joins twisted together and wrapped in a bit of lecky tape ::) ;D
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You lot know now't ::)
You just can't beat a run of old 6 core alarm cable stuck under the edge of the carpet with any joins twisted together and wrapped in a bit of lecky tape ::) ;D
Typical Hull lad, sweep it under the carpet, no one will see it, and fitting dodgy secondhand bits. ::) ;D
ere' TG, do ya wanna buy some back boxes and face plates with Kingston Communications stamped on them, got a box of them kicking around somewhere. ;) ;D
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I have an nte2000 filter face you can have for postage. Then you can extend to your hearts content
Looks like this
http://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/BTNTE5ADSLfaceplate.html
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You lot know now't ::)
You just can't beat a run of old 6 core alarm cable stuck under the edge of the carpet with any joins twisted together and wrapped in a bit of lecky tape ::) ;D
Typical Hull lad, sweep it under the carpet, no one will see it, and fitting dodgy secondhand bits. ::) ;D
ere' TG, do ya wanna buy some back boxes and face plates with Kingston Communications stamped on them, got a box of them kicking around somewhere. ;) ;D
I'll take the lot ;D ;D
Take a cheque :D :D :D
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You lot know now't ::)
You just can't beat a run of old 6 core alarm cable stuck under the edge of the carpet with any joins twisted together and wrapped in a bit of lecky tape ::) ;D
The best bodges used sellotape...
...and often fitted by the alarm fitters ;D.
For this, as they should know better, I always presented the customer with an A158, which was sure to get them on the phone to alarm co to rant :P
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If you presented me with a road from Lincoln to Skegness I don't think I'd be phoning an alarm company.. maybe the men in white coats, instead :P
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UTP is as good as any cable you can get these days, plenty of twists to.
This ^^. There is a round junction box outside my house on the wall. I opening it up, brought Cat5 cable in and soldered it up! Then rewired a new BT socket up. Internet line speed increased for me, as there was dodgy extensions running around the entire house.