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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 13 April 2016, 20:53:13
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So had a 2010 Grand Scenic in for service today. After having to remove the NS windscreen wiper and scuttle panel and removed the brake fluid reservoir just to get access to the air filter I made the mistake of thinking the hardship was over.
Pollen filter in these is by far the most ridiculous set up I've ever seen. Apart from the fact the instructions that come with the new filter say it's behind the glovebox and I removed all that to find no pollen filter housing >:( I then check autodata who give two possibles which are behind the glovebox or "behind the clutch pedal". Well as I'd already ruled out the glove box location ::) behind the clutch pedal it is.
Just for the shits and giggles I found this guide online which I think will illustrate the complete facking stupidity of French motor manufacturers.....
http://www.renaultforums.co.uk/44-heating-cooling/270457-renault-grand-scenic-iii-1-5-dci-cabin-filter-change-*pics*.html
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http://www.renaultforums.co.uk/44-heating-cooling/270457-renault-grand-scenic-iii-1-5-dci-cabin-filter-change-*pics*.html
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Facking links. Type in to google '2010 Renault grand scenic pollen filter replacement' and it's the one on the Renault forums
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Before you demolished someone's pride and joy, you should have asked me. It's common knowledge where the filter is on most Renaults, so you should have had a read-up on the subject. You can read?
French motor manufacturers are not stupid, well, not stupid enough to alter the design of a car for people who drive on the wrong side of the road.
PS. If you ever work on a left hand drive Renault, the filter is behind the glove box.
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I reiterate....I'm glad my poor car doesn't come into your garage.
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Well I did read up on the subject via the instruction leaflet that comes with the filter and the Autodata guide. I did mention that. You can read too, right?
;D ;D ;D
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Well I did read up on the subject via the instruction leaflet that comes with the filter and the Autodata guide. I did mention that. You can read too, right?
;D ;D ;D
You read a leaflet produced in France, doesn't take a lot of working out.
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Well I did read up on the subject via the instruction leaflet that comes with the filter and the Autodata guide. I did mention that. You can read too, right?
;D ;D ;D
You read a leaflet produced in France, doesn't take a lot of working out. Ring Renault and ask them to do one just for you.
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Lol but Autodata had two possibilities for RHD.
But irrespective of my intelligence, why stuff a serviceable item in a very awkward location. Omega for example. Lift a cover up, remove filter, replace.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYY STEMO??????? ;D
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Lol but Autodata had two possibilities for RHD.
But irrespective of my intelligence, why stuff a serviceable item in a very awkward location. Omega for example. Lift a cover up, remove filter, replace.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYY STEMO??????? ;D
It's a smaller car, with a gearbox under the engine plus accompanying drive shafts etc, and, believe it or not, there's a lot more 'stuff' crammed into a modern Renault engine compartment and dashboard area than there is an old Vauxhall.
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Oh......and I don't love Renaults. ;D
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Lol but Autodata had two possibilities for RHD.
But irrespective of my intelligence, why stuff a serviceable item in a very awkward location. Omega for example. Lift a cover up, remove filter, replace.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYY STEMO? ??? ??? ;D
Because Pierre had an extra bottle of wine halfway through designing it, and Claude's(who was responsible for the final sign-off) wife found out about the new mistress and was giving him grief.
Your problem is that you're not eating enough smelly cheese to think that this sort of shit is acceptable.
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Lol but Autodata had two possibilities for RHD.
But irrespective of my intelligence, why stuff a serviceable item in a very awkward location. Omega for example. Lift a cover up, remove filter, replace.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYY STEMO? ??? ??? ;D
Because Pierre had an extra bottle of wine halfway through designing it, and Claude's(who was responsible for the final sign-off) wife found out about the new mistress and was giving him grief.
Your problem is that you're not eating enough smelly cheese to think that this sort of shit is acceptable.
Very constructive, Nick. :y
When all else fails, a bit of good old English racism will save the day.
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I guess you also think it's OK for someone to start taking bits off here and without following the prescribed procedure?
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I guess you also think it's OK for someone to start taking bits off here and without following the prescribed procedure?
It's frequently necessary. Check out Renault's procedure for doing Espace/Avantime V6 cambelts. The belt kit is about £100, the cost of the job is at least £1100. The procedure is remove the engine for access. But it's doable in place in about 3 hours.
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I guess you also think it's OK for someone to start taking bits off here and without following the prescribed procedure?
....... Check out Renault's procedure for doing Espace/Avantime V6 cambelts. ....
apart from the Renault badges front & back ...... ::)
I quite like the idea of the Avantime :-[ :-[ ...... I'd never buy one though because it's a Renault ::)
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I guess you also think it's OK for someone to start taking bits off here and without following the prescribed procedure?
It's frequently necessary. Check out Renault's procedure for doing Espace/Avantime V6 cambelts. The belt kit is about £100, the cost of the job is at least £1100. The procedure is remove the engine for access. But it's doable in place in about 3 hours.
I dare say you're right, Andy, but that wasn't really the point I was making.
People like me who, can't/won't do their own maintenance or repairs, rely on garages to do the work. I shouldn't have to worry whether my car is in the hands of someone who knows exactly what they're doing or someone who will do it 'their own way'.
Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes.
I sat in reception while they did an oil change on our megane....two fickin hours. When I started getting uppity I was told that they did other diagnostic checks whenever a vehicle came in and it wouldn't cost me any extra. I could see them through the little window working away so I just had to wait.
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Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.
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Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes. ....
That was partly my rationale when I took my Mercedes to Mercedes for repair to the suspension ...... I should have just done the job myself and I wouldn't now have a barely passable repair to my passenger doors >:(
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Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes. ....
Question, who do you think actually works on the car?
Some wise old man, who knows Renault since he was a little nipper. The wise old dog that knows them like the back of his hand?
No, it's some 17 year old kid who is reading instructions off a laptop.
Personally I think it's an expensive illusion, that you get best service from a dealer.
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Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.
Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......
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Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.
Just because you pay for it to be done, doesn't mean they actually do it. Especially when the person doing the job makes his bonus on turning jobs around much quicker than the booktime. Saving an hour not doing a job the customer will never know about is common. Not changing fuel filters is another dodge, or leaving the passenger side spark plugs on an Omega V6. The parts department love billing for, but not supplying the part. Their bonus depends largely on proftability percentages, and you can't beat 100%. This is also why magic treatments are pushed so enthusiastically - you won't know that they didn't pour in the oil flush(with added marketing-wanktm) that you paid for, before draining your oil.
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Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes. ....
Question, who do you think actually works on the car?
Some wise old man, who knows Renault since he was a little nipper. The wise old dog that knows them like the back of his hand?
No, it's some 17 year old kid who is reading instructions off a laptop.
Personally I think it's an expensive illusion, that you get best service from a dealer.
Did you read my post, Tunnie? I saw who worked on the car.
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Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.
Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......
So why buy one here? :-\
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Most cars have good and bad points, and I can only speak as I find. Our megane did 50000 miles over five years and never needed more than a service. I dare say others have had dogs. But you can't just just say that every French car is shite, or that every 'mechanic' is out to rip you off.
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Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.
Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......
So why buy one here? :-\
Because I wanted to and that's my choice. I couldn't imagine running round in an old barge..but there you go.
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But you can't just just say that every French car is shite, or .....
'Ours' is ...... an expensive one at that
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Oh....and when a Renault mechanic does the pollen filter, I'll bet it doesn't take very long at all, if you do it all day long..........
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Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.
Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......
So why buy one here? :-\
Because I wanted to and that's my choice. I couldn't imagine running round in an old barge..but there you go.
But many moons ago you had one? But chopped it in, due to I assume service costs?
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But you can't just just say that every French car is shite, or .....
'Ours' is ...... an expensive one at that
And rare....an acquired taste, I think. ;D
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Oh....and when a Renault mechanic does the pollen filter, I'll bet it doesn't take very long at all, if you do it all day long..........
;D ;D ;D
I bet he does ;)
Or as Nick says, they will charge you for the labour and the part, but not actually do the work. After all, how would you ever know?
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Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.
Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......
So why buy one here? :-\
Because I wanted to and that's my choice. I couldn't imagine running round in an old barge..but there you go.
But many moons ago you had one? But chopped it in, due to I assume service costs?
Had one what? Omega? James bought that.
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Oh....and when a Renault mechanic does the pollen filter, I'll bet it doesn't take very long at all, if you do it all day long..........
;D ;D ;D
I bet he does ;)
Or as Nick says, they will charge you for the labour and the part, but not actually do the work. After all, how would you ever know?
Cause I can see him through the........square..window. Or was it the arched window? :-\
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Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.
Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......
So why buy one here? :-\
Because I wanted to and that's my choice. I couldn't imagine running round in an old barge..but there you go.
But many moons ago you had one? But chopped it in, due to I assume service costs?
Had one what? Omega? James bought that.
So why did you sell it out of interest?
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But you can't just just say that every French car is shite, or .....
'Ours' is ...... an expensive one at that
And rare....an acquired taste, I think. ;D
rare? ??? Which bit? It's a rare GREEN C3 auto but all its faults are common, so common that most of the faults have been repaired with Citroen modified bits
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Oh....and when a Renault mechanic does the pollen filter, I'll bet it doesn't take very long at all, if you do it all day long..........
;D ;D ;D
I bet he does ;)
Or as Nick says, they will charge you for the labour and the part, but not actually do the work. After all, how would you ever know?
Cause I can see him through the........square..window. Or was it the arched window? :-\
So what was he actually doing for the 2 your oil change took? Playing boules, drinking Pernod and smoking Gitanes? More likely he was applying fluent Anglo-Saxon to the person who designed the damn thing.
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My car, built in Belgium, has the pollen filter where you expect it to be...
Took all of 45 minutes to change the oil, plugs and all the filters. Fuerl filter was a bit of a shit though...
The person who designed it obviously felt it appropriate to squeeze it in the two inch gap between the spare wheel well and the fuel tank, before covering it with the rear suspension... ::)
Another 2.4p and the pipes would have reached the offside of the spare wheel well where there's almost enough space for a suitcase :-X
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This is a bit unfair chaps. I know Steve is a good sport and 'gives it out' but c'mon.
My car was built in Sweden, by people who knew how to build cars. Sadly, GM played part in it's design. That's it's only downfall. Front suspension bushes, rear suspension bushes. Ring any bells?
The Omega is certainly not a car to rave about in terms of being bullet-proof. The engines, yes! The car, no. And my engine is better than yours, so ner! ;D
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Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes. ....
Question, who do you think actually works on the car?
Some wise old man, who knows Renault since he was a little nipper. The wise old dog that knows them like the back of his hand?
No, it's some 17 year old kid who is reading instructions off a laptop.
Personally I think it's an expensive illusion, that you get best service from a dealer.
Spotty seventeen year old and regular self abuser.
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Spotty seventeen year old and regular self abuser.
Well he needs to keep strength in his arms....
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Lol Steve, I'm not sure why you've morphed the convo in to a dealer vs backstreet garage quality. Yes, I erroneously removed the glove box cos I might have misread some instructions but how does that mean the quality of my work is substandard in comparison to a dealer? Are you suggesting no mistakes have ever been made in a dealer lol the fact is that after much swearing the job was done exactly how it should have been I.E. necessary components were removed to gain access to the serviceable item. Those items removed were subsequently put back following replacement of said item.
Doesn't change the fact that they (French cars and renaults in particular) are designed as the most difficult to service cars on the market. Does making a car exceedingly difficult to service smack of a great design. I don't think so. Hence the thread.
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Sorry I jumped on you, Webby, but if you owned a Renault, you'd understand. :-*
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;D that's ok mate. I understand the allure of the French. Especially that bird who wanted a bit of guy Martin in the soapbox episode :-*
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Maybe they've changed concept, but next to my Omegas, my R16 was the most comfortable car I've owned in 60 odd years of motoring, and it was very easy to work on. I had it for 12 years, but the tin worm beat me. :(
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have to agree with you there Shackeng I had one as well, never any trouble and very comfy.
:y :)