compoAnd that's why it keeps getting drawn out, because some people expect a free lunch :(
compoAnd that's why it keeps getting drawn out, because some people expect a free lunch :(
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Nobody did anything on purpose, people - rightly or wrongly - did what they thought was best as they could see it unfold. .....
Sorry to sound heartless, but it was bloody ages ago, and no real good can come of it now.
Nobody did anything on purpose, people - rightly or wrongly - did what they thought was best as they could see it unfold. Lets face it, the root cause was the venue was unsuitable. But in todays sad society, there has to be blame >:(
tanked up yobs caused it , according to Maggies press secretary
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Maybe they didn't before the event, but after the event there was a conspiracy, an organised cover up and a wall of lies which didn't fall apart for over 25 years,and that was what the families fought to unvcover for all those years.
This started while the tragedy was unfolding and was organised from the top of the police force concerned and ran right through the ranks down to special constables, by pressure from their superiors to alter statements to lie about the people who had died, to perpetrate the perception that it was pretty much their own fault.
If a child of mine died in those circumstances I would hope that I would be brave, persistent and dogged enough to take on the establishment and not let up until their lies had been uncovered.
I admire the families for doing what they did, and I hope the officers involved spend years behind bars for the lies they told.
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Maybe they didn't before the event, but after the event there was a conspiracy, an organised cover up and a wall of lies which didn't fall apart for over 25 years,and that was what the families fought to unvcover for all those years.
This started while the tragedy was unfolding and was organised from the top of the police force concerned and ran right through the ranks down to special constables, by pressure from their superiors to alter statements to lie about the people who had died, to perpetrate the perception that it was pretty much their own fault.
If a child of mine died in those circumstances I would hope that I would be brave, persistent and dogged enough to take on the establishment and not let up until their lies had been uncovered.
I admire the families for doing what they did, and I hope the officers involved spend years behind bars for the lies they told.
exactly
Sorry to sound heartless, but it was bloody ages ago, and no real good can come of it now..
Nobody did anything on purpose, people - rightly or wrongly - did what they thought was best as they could see it unfold. Lets face it, the root cause was the venue was unsuitable. But in todays sad society, there has to be blame >:(
Sorry to sound heartless, but it was bloody ages ago, and no real good can come of it now..
Nobody did anything on purpose, people - rightly or wrongly - did what they thought was best as they could see it unfold. Lets face it, the root cause was the venue was unsuitable. But in todays sad society, there has to be blame >:(
Agree entirely , a very tragic event but so are lots of other things.
Sorry to sound heartless, but it was bloody ages ago, and no real good can come of it now..
Nobody did anything on purpose, people - rightly or wrongly - did what they thought was best as they could see it unfold. Lets face it, the root cause was the venue was unsuitable. But in todays sad society, there has to be blame >:(
Agree entirely , a very tragic event but so are lots of other things.
but did others do their utmost to cover up their failings & dropped testicles
Yes wondered when compo would be mentioned , cash could solve the problem as usual. Thought right from the start that was what all the whinging was about.
Yes wondered when compo would be mentioned , cash could solve the problem as usual. Thought right from the start that was what all the whinging was about.
Yes wondered when compo would be mentioned , cash could solve the problem as usual. Thought right from the start that was what all the whinging was about.
£19000000/96 = <£200k or your loved one that was killed due to the ineptitude of others that then tried to pin the blame on anyone else but themselves?
Whoa someone has dropped their dolly, a very tragic event as I said earlier but all of a sudden £ signs appear. What will that do bring them back ? Suspend people change the name of the Police Force , it was an accident that no one could forsee, it was not done with intent , but let's blame someone .I concur with Jon...you are a condescending prick.
Whoa someone has dropped their dolly, a very tragic event as I said earlier but all of a sudden £ signs appear. What will that do bring them back ? Suspend people change the name of the Police Force , it was an accident that no one could forsee, it was not done with intent , but let's blame someone .
Are you stupid? Don't answer that.Whoa someone has dropped their dolly, a very tragic event as I said earlier but all of a sudden £ signs appear. What will that do bring them back ? Suspend people change the name of the Police Force , it was an accident that no one could forsee, it was not done with intent , but let's blame someone .
Agree with the above. But this is now GB-plc 21st century, and somebody has to be accountable, (blame culture).
Accident's don't happen any more, it's always somebody's fault.
I am, of course, talking about the incident that caused those 96 to be killed. People did what what they thought was right on the day, and no doubt with some apprehension in facing up to fans - remember we were at the height of UK football hooliganism.Sorry to sound heartless, but it was bloody ages ago, and no real good can come of it now.
Nobody did anything on purpose, people - rightly or wrongly - did what they thought was best as they could see it unfold. Lets face it, the root cause was the venue was unsuitable. But in todays sad society, there has to be blame >:(
Maybe they didn't before the event, but after the event there was a conspiracy, an organised cover up and a wall of lies which didn't fall apart for over 25 years,and that was what the families fought to unvcover for all those years.
This started while the tragedy was unfolding and was organised from the top of the police force concerned and ran right through the ranks down to special constables, by pressure from their superiors to alter statements to lie about the people who had died, to perpetrate the perception that it was pretty much their own fault.
If a child of mine died in those circumstances I would hope that I would be brave, persistent and dogged enough to take on the establishment and not let up until their lies had been uncovered.
I admire the families for doing what they did, and I hope the officers involved spend years behind bars for the lies they told.
I agree that 'unlawful killing' is the wrong verdict, criminal negligence or corporate manslaugter maybe.
Whoa someone has dropped their dolly, a very tragic event as I said earlier but all of a sudden £ signs appear. What will that do bring them back ? Suspend people change the name of the Police Force , it was an accident that no one could forsee, it was not done with intent , but let's blame someone .
Agree with the above. But this is now GB-plc 21st century, and somebody has to be accountable, (blame culture).
Accident's don't happen any more, it's always somebody's fault.
I guess it depends on exactly what we are talking about, as suggested earlier. Are we talking about what happened on the day, and could lives have been saved, or are we talking about any subsequent events, including cover-ups? They are 2 entirely separate things. Or should we go back further and ask why that venue was used - as a challenge at the time could have saved those 96...
This is simply a witch hunt, because we live in a society that says there must be blame with anything (not necessarily a bad thing for future learning, *IF* its not about money (which in itself will lead to misinformation)). Nothing can come of this.
But the inquest, or at least my understanding of it after ignoring the sensationalist media, was an inquest into their deaths? ;)I guess it depends on exactly what we are talking about, as suggested earlier. Are we talking about what happened on the day, and could lives have been saved, or are we talking about any subsequent events, including cover-ups? They are 2 entirely separate things. Or should we go back further and ask why that venue was used - as a challenge at the time could have saved those 96...
This is simply a witch hunt, because we live in a society that says there must be blame with anything (not necessarily a bad thing for future learning, *IF* its not about money (which in itself will lead to misinformation)). Nothing can come of this.
I guess it depends on exactly what we are talking about, as suggested earlier. Are we talking about what happened on the day, and could lives have been saved, or are we talking about any subsequent events, including cover-ups? They are 2 entirely separate things. Or should we go back further and ask why that venue was used - as a challenge at the time could have saved those 96....
This is simply a witch hunt, because we live in a society that says there must be blame with anything (not necessarily a bad thing for future learning, *IF* its not about money (which in itself will lead to misinformation)). Nothing can come of this.
This is simply a witch hunt, because we live in a society that says there must be blame with anything (not necessarily a bad thing for future learning, *IF* its not about money (which in itself will lead to misinformation)). Nothing can come of this..
I think those who believe this is all about 'compo' and missing the point by a very long way. For the justice system to work in this country, the police have to be trusted and seen to be acting impartially and fairly. In court and at inquiries they should be telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In this case they have failed spectacularly to do so.
1) They lied to the press, resulting in the Sun and others printing incorrect and offensive stories blaming the fans
2) They lied to the Government, resulting in senior politicians including Margaret Thatcher blaming the fans
3) They 'sanitised' statements from their own officers - In my book that's Conspiracy to Pervert the course of justice - up to 4 years in Jail.
4) They lied to the original inquest and subsequent inquiries - That's Perjury carrying up to 7 year in Jail.
5) The West Midlands police then failed to uncover these failings in their subsequent investigations. Why? Incompetance of Collusion?
Once the relatives of the dead realised that 1) and 2) had occurred it is entirely understandable that they would fight to get the truth told. The shame here is that it took 27 years for the police to come clean. I'm not a fan of the current compensation culture, but, if you've had to fight for 27 years to clear the name of your loved ones, chances are you've lost all respect for those that have lied to you and will think sod-em. I'm angry at what happened, and I've no direct connection with anyone involved. I can only imagine how disillusioned with the justice system that those directly affected are.
3) and 4) mean that those responsible should be going to jail for a long time. There is nothing worse than a bent copper, and that's what they are. I'm not convinced anyone will ever go to jail though.
Compo? Perhaps it's justified in some cases. But that isn't what this is all about. Never was, never will be.