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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Gaffers on 26 April 2016, 14:12:36
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As per the title. I have waited to upgrade as I do not want to get bogged down with faff and bugs. So has it been long enough yet? I have to either reimage or upgrade as it has been 3 years since a rebuild and the old girl is getting slower and slower despite being a Xeon dual quad with 16gb of ram.
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I guess the November update could be classed as "SP1".
Personally, I have very few issues - had a printing issue about 2 months ago, but new printer driver resolved.
If you go for it, do the free upgrade (do it off ISO downloadable from MS, rather than the automated update) in order to get the electronic entitlement, THEN do a full burn and build off the same ISO, but blowing away the disks.
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I guess the November update could be classed as "SP1".
Personally, I have very few issues - had a printing issue about 2 months ago, but new printer driver resolved.
If you go for it, do the free upgrade (do it off ISO downloadable from MS, rather than the automated update) in order to get the electronic entitlement, THEN do a full burn and build off the same ISO, but blowing away the disks.
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I see that the free upgrade stops in July, so I better think about it, but what does that mean in non-nerdspeak? ??? ??? ???
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My notebook came with win10.....and I like it :y
However my desktop still has win7 on it.....im a hanging back until I find the licence key for a program I have on it....as if I do a clean install of win10 I will have to re-install the program.....and I guessing trying to do a restore from a win7 backup for that program it aint gonna work!
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Right I shall get on it this weekend. Thanks :y
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I guess the November update could be classed as "SP1".
Personally, I have very few issues - had a printing issue about 2 months ago, but new printer driver resolved.
If you go for it, do the free upgrade (do it off ISO downloadable from MS, rather than the automated update) in order to get the electronic entitlement, THEN do a full burn and build off the same ISO, but blowing away the disks.
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I see that the free upgrade stops in July, so I better think about it, but what does that mean in non-nerdspeak? ??? ??? ???
If your PC has "done its time", its likely that Windows is in a bit of a mess. The upgrade won't "fix" that. I have always recommended that every major upgrade (no matter what OS) should be a complete rebuild from scratch to ensure the OS is fresh and lean.
However, to get the Win 10 digital entitlement (for free), you have to go through the upgrade procedure. Once the upgrade is complete, and is reporting a valid digital entitlement, then rebuild it from scratch to freshen/lean it up.
HTH.
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Right I shall get on it this weekend. Thanks :y
If you don't already run an SSD for the OS, it would seriously consider getting one.
In which case:
Upgrade to get digital entitlement
Replace HDD with SSD
Install Win10 from scratch
Iso creator is at https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 (scroll down a bit, you want the creator tool). Can create ISO for burning to DVD, or USB bootable version.
Tell me the video card isn't ATI?
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I guess the November update could be classed as "SP1".
Personally, I have very few issues - had a printing issue about 2 months ago, but new printer driver resolved.
If you go for it, do the free upgrade (do it off ISO downloadable from MS, rather than the automated update) in order to get the electronic entitlement, THEN do a full burn and build off the same ISO, but blowing away the disks.
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I see that the free upgrade stops in July, so I better think about it, but what does that mean in non-nerdspeak? ??? ??? ???
If your PC has "done its time", its likely that Windows is in a bit of a mess. The upgrade won't "fix" that. I have always recommended that every major upgrade (no matter what OS) should be a complete rebuild from scratch to ensure the OS is fresh and lean.
However, to get the Win 10 digital entitlement (for free), you have to go through the upgrade procedure. Once the upgrade is complete, and is reporting a valid digital entitlement, then rebuild it from scratch to freshen/lean it up.
HTH.
Errr, no, but thanks for trying. :y
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Ive done few updates to 10, and everytime since the first one seems to be a different MS Upgrade over air method.
As TB says, get the thing activated first through a free update, then your good to go for anytime afterwards for a fresh clean install, only thing I would add is do a backup or clone of your original OS just in case, stuff does happen.
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Not sure I trust an SSD for high IO operations like the OS, heard about to many failures.
Gotcha on the upgrade/rebuild. I always build from scratch but I understand the process needed here :y
After far oo many issues with Nvidia cards I only use ATIs Gx now. I think this one is a GeForce 4650 or summit. Powerful enough for me.
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I have Windows 10 installed on half a dozen pc's here, no problems to report, very happy with it.
Got it installed on both I5 and Dual core processors and it runs fine, ram varies from 4Gb to 16Gb.
Two of them are on SSD's, Crucial M550 and Samsung EVO 850
I have no worries about using SSD's as a system drive in a high through put system
I would second what TB says about installing it.
Upgrade first to get your hardware id registered and then new install from the MS iso.
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It's never time for Windows. :D
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It's never time for Windows. :D
It's only on the Desktop because of the missus. Linux would make her go in to melt down.....
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Not sure I trust an SSD for high IO operations like the OS, heard about to many failures.
i've had 3 ssds fail (and without warning of course) but the newer ones seem more reliable. however they are ideal for the boot drive as not much changes on that compared to data, assuming you aren't installing new progs every day. so if it dies you just swap in the clone you keep (and need to roll back 'updates', because rstrui only works those times you don't seriously need it. or is rstrui fixed in win 10?)
you can cloud synch up to 15GB data for free with google drive
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Ironic how it varies....I have had Win 10 on three computers in this house for months, and absolutely fine. I have Win 7 on another drive, just in case. So far, everything I use the computer for is running fine, and that includes my simulators. :y
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Not sure I trust an SSD for high IO operations like the OS, heard about to many failures.
Stay away from shite. Enterprise ones are more durable, but even the MLC and TLC ones from high end makers are generably robust - more so than HDDs now I'd say. I'd personally go with Sandisk Ultra II, as Crucial tried screwing me over on an m4 sent back for warranty, and its not something I want to go through again.
I personally use a combo of Sandisk Plus (low end), Crucial m4 and M500 (mid range) and Sandisk Ultra II's (mid range). I do not use spinning media in any of my machines bar the Media Center, ignoring the servers. The OOF web server and the primary database server sit on some Sandisk Ultra II 1Tb - and the database in particular gets a proper spanking...
SSD is now the way to go.
After far oo many issues with Nvidia cards I only use ATIs Gx now. I think this one is a GeForce 4650 or summit. Powerful enough for me.
GeForce is NVidia ;). ATI driver support is wavy on Win10, based on the fact ATI is deeply in the shite.
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As per the title. I have waited to upgrade as I do not want to get bogged down with faff and bugs. So has it been long enough yet? I have to either reimage or upgrade as it has been 3 years since a rebuild and the old girl is getting slower and slower despite being a Xeon dual quad with 16gb of ram.
I have upgraded on several machines, but after I upgraded, I got a printer that isn't supported which is a Textronix/Xerox Phaser 7300 printer. Well, it still is, but you have to fudge the drivers to get it to work.
On my current desktop (built out of spares lying around), its running x64 variant of Windows 7 which fully supports the printer in question, which also precludes my upgrade since if I do, I loose all abilities to select what paper source (although despite being old, it is rather clever and knows what paper to select - unless its a label.) Interestingly, the printer I used before which I handed back to my dad, was a Textronix Phaser 750DP and that one is STILL supported despite being older.
Its a question of "Will my hardware work?" A lot of printers for example will, but others may not, its like older hardware that you may use, in 7 it may work, but in 10 it may not because of the way they enforce the driver signing (driver is a piece of software that allows the computer to talk to an item of hardware for those not in the know.)
Otherwise, I find it far easier to use than Windows 8 (ugh!) and I found it surprisingly quick, probably because there is no aero glass effects that came with vista on the windows. However, it can be a headache to use at times as the interface layout is different, particularly control panel and some other useful tools the average user doesn't use that often (Computer management for example).
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Hmmmmmm . . . . I realy need to think about doing this. I'm still dithering ::)
. . . . . or do I mean procrastinating ? ???
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Not sure I trust an SSD for high IO operations like the OS, heard about to many failures.
i've had 3 ssds fail (and without warning of course) but the newer ones seem more reliable. however they are ideal for the boot drive as not much changes on that compared to data, assuming you aren't installing new progs every day. so if it dies you just swap in the clone you keep (and need to roll back 'updates', because rstrui only works those times you don't seriously need it. or is rstrui fixed in win 10?)
you can cloud synch up to 15GB data for free with google drive
I've been looking at a 1TB SSD for my laptop and found this endurance review helpful:
http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead (http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead)
I'm probably going to go with the latest generation Samsung which are at the more expensive price end, but what price do you put on reliability? My concern is I will being using it with Outlook and by necessity I have to keep a large number of emails for a minimum of 12 months, so my .pst file is usually around 2gb, with emails being added 24/7.
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Not sure I trust an SSD for high IO operations like the OS, heard about to many failures.
i've had 3 ssds fail (and without warning of course) but the newer ones seem more reliable. however they are ideal for the boot drive as not much changes on that compared to data, assuming you aren't installing new progs every day. so if it dies you just swap in the clone you keep (and need to roll back 'updates', because rstrui only works those times you don't seriously need it. or is rstrui fixed in win 10?)
you can cloud synch up to 15GB data for free with google drive
I've been looking at a 1TB SSD for my laptop and found this endurance review helpful:
http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead (http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead)
I'm probably going to go with the latest generation Samsung which are at the more expensive price end, but what price do you put on reliability? My concern is I will being using it with Outlook and by necessity I have to keep a large number of emails for a minimum of 12 months, so my .pst file is usually around 2gb, with emails being added 24/7.
If you look at real world usage, even mid range endurance is a few years. In reality, I think we're more likely, in normal desktop use, to suffer a failure not related to wear.
Obviously, no matter what you pick, you should have a robust, regular backup strategy in place if the PST is that important.
I probably have around 20Gb of PSTs sat on my works Stinkpad, never bothered checking what brand SSD that has... ...but being Lenovo, its bound to be pretty shit TBH.