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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: rds on 25 May 2016, 00:03:19
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Hello all
it's time to get two rear tires for the Estate.
Currently on Pirelli P600 225/55 ZR16 95 WJ all round (the car that is!), however this brand/size/spec combination seems harder and harder to get.
Usage is 1/3 pot-holed town work, 1/3 fast A roads, 1/3 motorway.
Any recommendations, please, as to what to go for now and, indeed, what NOT to go for. Longevity, (lack of) noise and (good) comfort all important to me.
I've run a search and not immediately found a recent answer.
Many thanks in advance.
RDS
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tyres ..... :-X
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Hello Andy
Ta for that but I sided with the American spelling, as wonderful Tyre is in Lebanon (but for how much longer.....?)
I'll do another search with "tyre", but "tire" had many entries, except as to currently available choices/recommendations.
RDS
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Right i've done a search with the archaic "tyre" spelling: sadly, I saw no immediate recommendation as to a like for like replacement for the Pirelli P600 size 225/55 ZR16 95 WJ (which are on the standard CDX rims).
Given that the wheel and tire/tyre/tired out, might end up on the rear, front or spare, I'd like to keep to size 225/55 ZR16
Recommendations and warnings welcome.
Cheers!
RDS
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Where are you from and do you have an owners manual? It,s all in there. :y
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If you're happy with Pirelli, then try theses...
http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/pirelli/p7-cinturato-blue/225/55/R16/W/99/m?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3f%26viewmanufacturer%3dpirelli&tyre=32291140
W rated is ample for a 2.2, and being an estate it should really be extra load...
Shop around on price though ;)
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Thanks Harris
I'll look into the Pirelli Cinturato, local supply and fit - tire shops here in London are unhappy to fit boots bought elsewhere.
The P600 type has always been on my car since new, I always thought the Cinturato was a lower spec tire in terms of mileage - any thoughts? Also, is there no direct equivalent to the P600?
Ronny - cheers also but I don't recall the manual stating the recommended actual manufacturer and model of tire but i'll have another look. As I mentioned, my car originally came with P600s and sadly times and offerings have changed. I was sort of hoping for a "customer review" of new products from a satisfied or dissatisfied omega owner.
Thanks again
RDS
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Tyre technology has moved on a long way from P600's.
The problem with tyre reviews is that one man's meat is another man's poison, in that different drivers expect different things from their tyres / chassis setup / driving experience.
Most tyre review sites are littered with comments like, 'These tyres grip better than the x brand tyres I have just taken off'..... well lets be honest, you'd hope so really when there's at least 6mm tread difference!
That said there is a thread on here with comparative reviews of some tyres available at the time of writing but, even in the Omega World, there's at least three different chassis setups (Standard, MV6 -15mm and Elite) from the factory and now the youngest Omega is 13 Years old
there will be all sorts of spring and shock absorber combinations and setups on the cars... The chassis setup probably defining the driving style of the owner and hence the type of tyre they require.
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Those Pirellis I linked to are now a fairly common EClass size and have double A ratings... the first thing being that the EClass is Omega sized and rear wheel drive... so a tyre that works on one should work on tother... and the second thing should suggest that they are indeed a capable tyre...
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Where's Gixer when you need him? ::) ::) ::)
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Banned ;) ;D
I have to say his knowledge of tyres, their composition, construction, testing and performance was rudimentary to say the least :)
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Banned ;) ;D
I have to say his knowledge of tyres, their composition, construction, testing and performance was rudimentary to say the least :)
Perhaps, but his comments always lifted the threads above tedium level. ::) :y
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Banned ;) ;D
I have to say his knowledge of tyres, their composition, construction, testing and performance was rudimentary to say the least :)
Perhaps, but his comments always lifted the threads above tedium level. ::) :y
Me no saying nuffin... :-X but Chris did know exactly what he wanted from his tyres ;)
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Cheers Harris and VXL
yes i take our points on-board - shame i can't read my own tires/tyres properly!! They're P6000 not P600. Though i didn't see those up for sale recently either.
RDS
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From memory P6000 are quite a medium/soft compound tyre, so, notwithstanding different characteristics of tread patterns etc you may want to either stay with the Pirelli brand and go with the model Al suggests or perhaps look at something Like Kuhmo KU39 or Toyo Proxes T1-R
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Yes, i think they must be on the soft side as they do not last very long. Are any of the others you mention a little harder?
cheers
RDS
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Banned ;) ;D
I have to say his knowledge of tyres, their composition, construction, testing and performance was rudimentary to say the least :)
WHY ?
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Yes, i think they must be on the soft side as they do not last very long. Are any of the others you mention a little harder?
cheers
RDS
About the same if my memory serves. Maybe something like Dunlop SportMaxx RT then? Plenty of people on here run them and can give their thoughts about them. I like them from grip, cornering and tyre noise perspective but they do seem to drop off quickly when a little over half worn.
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good idea thanks. hmm seems it is all swings and roundabouts: win here and lose there.
given that one will inevitably be used eventually "across an axle" with another tread pattern (although this is not the same issue as with mixing radials and crossplies), i spose i'll end up with the Pirelli Cinturato.
thanks again
RDS
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wheres that tyre thread ffrom a couple of years ago?
(ducking for cover now!!!!)
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wheres that tyre thread ffrom a couple of years ago?
(ducking for cover now!!!!)
;D I did think it might still be in the top ten list for most replies in the Stats section, but it's not... probably at number 11 :D
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Banned ;) ;D
I have to say his knowledge of tyres, their composition, construction, testing and performance was rudimentary to say the least :)
WHY ?
Probably for being a dick - ask an admin as they banned him ;)
Re the ops original query, I can agree with VXL V6's post re Kuhmo KU39s as being a reasonable tyre for the Omega. Also had them on my old Jag XJ6 (X350 3Lit V6 SE), and only downside was that rears didn't last long, no issues with fronts.
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ta dbug
i'll add that to the list!
RDS
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for budget but uni directional tyres i've found these good: Westlake AKA Goodride SV308 97 W XL, C rating for wet grip, 72db noise. supposedly M+S - mud and snow. £60 each fitted, in 2013, seem to be £70 now.
they're due for replacement this year and i estimate about 17K miles on the rears and 31K miles on the fronts - lots of motorway cruising.
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thanks for the info Migmog
Cheers
RDS
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I'm going again for Uniroyal Rainsport 3...plenty rain in this country so :D
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s293p111635/Uniroyal_Tyres_Car_Uniroyal_RainSport3_Uniroyal_Rain_Sport_3_-_225_55_R16_95Y_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_71dB
but my size 235/45/r17 is only for Ł53.95 inc.VAT :y
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Banned ;) ;D
I have to say his knowledge of tyres, their composition, construction, testing and performance was rudimentary to say the least :)
Perhaps, but his comments always lifted the threads above tedium level. ::) :y
Me no saying nuffin... :-X but Chris did know exactly what he wanted from his tyres ;)
Which wasn't entirely the same as what I wanted (for me, grip was everything, for Mr Gixer, straight line stability/antitramineling was paramount), but near enough for us to get ideas/pointers from each other.
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Maybe something like Dunlop SportMaxx RT then? Plenty of people on here run them and can give their thoughts about them. I like them from grip, cornering and tyre noise perspective but they do seem to drop off quickly when a little over half worn.
I don't think the current RT's are as good as the ones from 2 or 3 years back. I agree, they do absolutely drop off a cliff when approaching nearly worn (around 3-4mm).
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From memory P6000 are quite a medium/soft compound tyre, so, notwithstanding different characteristics of tread patterns etc you may want to either stay with the Pirelli brand and go with the model Al suggests or perhaps look at something Like Kuhmo KU39 or Toyo Proxes T1-R
I found the P6000 to be pretty dire on the Omega. Not sure it was just because of the P6000's design age (as they worked fantastically well on our old Rover). A seemingly contradictory combination of soft-ish tyre and low grip led to horrific wear rate and not much grip led to a most unsatisfactory result, similar to the Avon ZZ3's which lasted me 4k (only beaten by the equally shite Continental SC5 which lasted 3k).
Kuhmos were quite impressive for the (then) cost, but lacked feedback for when they were about to let go, which led to some serious clenching at times. Due to the (now) high cost for essentially a mid range tyre, I'm not sure they represent good value.
None of the budget tyres, and I do mean none, are any good. All suffer the age old budget problem of the differential between wet and dry. If the tyre labelling is to have any meaning, it should have a dry grip rating as well, and ratings tested at half worn. Nexen N6000, despite poor grip, deserve a special mention for very good ride and stability, unless you need to accelerate, brake or turn ;D
Autogrip is definitely a brand to avoid on any car - after you've taken a couple of mm off them, they *WILL* kill you as soon as the road gets damp.
As VXL says, everyone needs something different from their tyres. Some need tyres that last a million year, and grip is unimportant. Some need a resistance to tramlining (maybe motorway milers?). Some need outright grip (enthusiastic/spirited drivers, and those with an absolute safety consciousness?). And clearly from our experiences and tests, what works on a little FWD shitbox doesn't mean it will work on a large RWD tank.
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Thanks The Boy
I'm no nearer a decision: I was not impressed with the 10k gentle miles on my P6000s which pales into insignificance when compared to your 4k. But then again, I expect tires to last: previously 15k on another high performance RWD drive and hardly showing any wear at all. I just cant remember what they were though!!
So far the Pirelli Cinturato is just nosing ahead....
TTFN
RDS
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My bro has managed nearly 40k miles from a set of 19" Goodyear Eagle F1s... and that's on a 330d ;)
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My preference is, go to tyre place see what's on offer, decide, then fit, then drive off and hope I've chosen well,
Has worked for years, Yokohama's, Toyo, etc before they were trendy and expensive, sometimes it's worth it :)
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My bro has managed nearly 40k miles from a set of 19" Goodyear Eagle F1s... and that's on a 330d ;)
Ah, yes, I didn't do too well off them either ;D. Out of 6 tyres, 1 had an obvious defect (dirty great blister/hole in the middle) when reasonably worn (which I just accepted and replaced myself), 2 had overheat marks around the inside edge tyre walls (GY refunded 60% of cost, based on wear, but without admitting liability), another 2 are just starting to show the brown marks on the outer wall, and one I wore to the limit.
None managed more than a few k. Grip was mid range, stability was not good. Gixer reckoned I overdrove them.
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I still maintain that the best tyres ever for the Omega were Sport Maxx TT, sadly no longer available. A perfect combination of grip, feel/feedback, straight line stability and reasonable durability (about 12k rears, 24k fronts).
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My bro has managed nearly 40k miles from a set of 19" Goodyear Eagle F1s... and that's on a 330d ;)
Ah, yes, I didn't do too well off them either ;D. Out of 6 tyres, 1 had an obvious defect (dirty great blister/hole in the middle) when reasonably worn (which I just accepted and replaced myself), 2 had overheat marks around the inside edge tyre walls (GY refunded 60% of cost, based on wear, but without admitting liability), another 2 are just starting to show the brown marks on the outer wall, and one I wore to the limit.
None managed more than a few k. Grip was mid range, stability was not good. Gixer Reckoned I overdrove them.
I suspect he was on to summat ::)
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My bro has managed nearly 40k miles from a set of 19" Goodyear Eagle F1s... and that's on a 330d ;)
Ah, yes, I didn't do too well off them either ;D. Out of 6 tyres, 1 had an obvious defect (dirty great blister/hole in the middle) when reasonably worn (which I just accepted and replaced myself), 2 had overheat marks around the inside edge tyre walls (GY refunded 60% of cost, based on wear, but without admitting liability), another 2 are just starting to show the brown marks on the outer wall, and one I wore to the limit.
None managed more than a few k. Grip was mid range, stability was not good. Gixer Reckoned I overdrove them.
I suspect he was on to summat ::)
In which case, they are disappointing as a premium performance tyre. I'd say I'm not overly hard on tyres, though did work in Milton Keynes.
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My bro has managed nearly 40k miles from a set of 19" Goodyear Eagle F1s... and that's on a 330d ;)
Ah, yes, I didn't do too well off them either ;D. Out of 6 tyres, 1 had an obvious defect (dirty great blister/hole in the middle) when reasonably worn (which I just accepted and replaced myself), 2 had overheat marks around the inside edge tyre walls (GY refunded 60% of cost, based on wear, but without admitting liability), another 2 are just starting to show the brown marks on the outer wall, and one I wore to the limit.
None managed more than a few k. Grip was mid range, stability was not good. Gixer Reckoned I overdrove them.
I suspect he was on to summat ::)
In which case, they are disappointing as a premium performance tyre. I'd say I'm not overly hard on tyres, though did work in Milton Keynes.
I suppose if you do like to `press on` and you were in the Land of Roundabouts then maybe life expectancy (of the tyres) would be shortened quite a bit and possibly expose any faults that might otherwise have gone unnoticed.
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Managed almost twice the mileage out of the set I had on the white one and was hardly gentle with it...
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A premium performance tyre on an Omega wont make it a "premium performance" car. I suspect that's where the problem lies. ::) :D
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A premium performance tyre on an Omega wont make it a "premium performance" car. I suspect that's where the problem lies. ::) :D
Indeed not. Whilst its chassis is pretty capable, being a refinement of the Senator chassis, its certainly no sports car. And cannot be driven like one. Its a executive, luxury saloon.
Hence the disappointment with the performance and failures.
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Managed almost twice the mileage out of the set I had on the white one and was hardly gentle with it...
I'm hoping for better durability now my commute is mostly straight, rather than lanes and constant roundabouts.
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A premium performance tyre on an Omega wont make it a "premium performance" car. I suspect that's where the problem lies. ::) :D
Indeed not. Whilst its chassis is pretty capable, being a refinement of the Senator chassis, its certainly no sports car. And cannot be driven like one. Its a executive, luxury saloon.
Hence the disappointment with the performance and failures.
Rumour has it, that you give it a damn good try. ;D
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Managed almost twice the mileage out of the set I had on the white one and was hardly gentle with it...
I'm hoping for better durability now my commute is mostly straight, rather than lanes and constant roundabouts.
Pads might last more than a week too ;D
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Kumho's on everything here, I really like them, silent tyres give very little road noise. Grip is fine for 'normal' driving, I have Ku39's on the 3.2, far, far better than the Nexen 6000's they replaced. They really were shite!
I had KU31's on the 2.2 before, now going with KH31's - Just as good, although early days.