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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: tunnie on 12 September 2016, 12:14:39
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On the VW and many new cars I noticed, there is no huge nice big area to jack the car up, unlike the Omega. They all have the rail, which the normal scissor jack slots into, not good for DIY jobs.
So after research found these:
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-assembled-by-ecs-parts/jack-pad-adapter-kit/ecs10724kt/ (https://www.ecstuning.com/b-assembled-by-ecs-parts/jack-pad-adapter-kit/ecs10724kt/)
You remove a gromit underneath the car, you assemble the two parts and essentially press them into the chassis. It's a one time fit, that then provides an easy place to jack the car.
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMS2fUDiWhU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMS2fUDiWhU) [Keep watching till at least 2 mins, shows them being fitted]
Further research has mixed views, some say all great, others say the car should not be lifted on a single side, that these should only be used on 4 post lifts.
Thoughts?
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It must still have chassis jacking points, as garages aren't going to piss around on their 4 post lifts.
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Well struggling to see them other than rail point, the forums suggest no decent place. :-\
Perhaps I should call in WIM later in the week, as I'm going past, ask if they can get it in the air and if they could advise.
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I think you need to try better forums...
...though I know I'm struggling to find decent sources of information on other brands :'(
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I think you need to try better forums...
...though I know I'm struggling to find decent sources of information on other brands :'(
Hence me posting here, but I've tried quite a few. VWVortex, VWForumUK plus a few others.
Some say to Jack on suspension components, for the rear. :-\
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I think you need to try better forums...
...though I know I'm struggling to find decent sources of information on other brands :'(
Hence me posting here, but I've tried quite a few. VWVortex, VWForumUK plus a few others.
Some say to Jack on suspension components, for the rear. :-\
Which would make any work on said suspension "challenging".
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Can see lift points here...
https://carmanuals2.com/get/volkswagen-cc-2014-lift-points-for-the-vehicle-35322 (https://carmanuals2.com/get/volkswagen-cc-2014-lift-points-for-the-vehicle-35322)
It is just the rail, where the emergency scissor one is used. I'm concerned a lot of use here will damage it, hence those adaptor kits look good.
Or I need to get a grooved head thing for the jack itself, not sure :-\
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As said, ask at your local VW specialist.
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So some oppswit designed, and you bought, a mass-market saloon car that can't be jacked without specialist equipment?
Take it back and get a bus pass, as neither of you can be trusted.
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So some oppswit designed, and you bought, a mass-market saloon car that can't be jacked without specialist equipment?
Take it back and get a bus pass, as neither of you can be trusted.
;D
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So some oppswit designed, and you bought, a mass-market saloon car that can't be jacked without specialist equipment?
Take it back and get a bus pass, as neither of you can be trusted.
As with any modern car, the home DIY is not thought about. It can be jacked normally with what I have in the garage, but I want to avoid damage by doing it often. Hence searching for a better at home method.
But thanks for the useful input into the thread ::)
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Loads of them on ebay Tunnie and significantly cheaper than the ones you've linked to! ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l2632.R2.TR9.TRC2.A0.H0.Xjack+pad.TRS0&_nkw=jack+pad&_sacat=180124
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Loads of them on ebay Tunnie and significantly cheaper than the ones you've linked to! ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l2632.R2.TR9.TRC2.A0.H0.Xjack+pad.TRS0&_nkw=jack+pad&_sacat=180124
Yeah I'm thinking one of these is best route, if you look at the ECS link they attach to the car itself and remain there. But one of these squashy pads should do the job.
I just don't want to dent the underneath of my lovely new car ;D
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So some oppswit designed, and you bought, a mass-market saloon car that can't be jacked without specialist equipment?
Take it back and get a bus pass, as neither of you can be trusted.
As with any modern car, the home DIY is not thought about. It can be jacked normally with what I have in the garage, but I want to avoid damage by doing it often. Hence searching for a better at home method.
That is NOT what you wrote. And as for spending £100 on rubber bungs that should have been there when it was assembled,there's one born everyday.
Do you have tools? Cut a wooden disc that protrudes slightly from the cup of your jack, and glue a piece of old rubber mat or mudflap to it. That will take less time than writing any of the posts about the 'problem'
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So some oppswit designed, and you bought, a mass-market saloon car that can't be jacked without specialist equipment?
Take it back and get a bus pass, as neither of you can be trusted.
As with any modern car, the home DIY is not thought about. It can be jacked normally with what I have in the garage, but I want to avoid damage by doing it often. Hence searching for a better at home method.
That is NOT what you wrote. And as for spending £100 on rubber bungs that should have been there when it was assembled,there's one born everyday.
Do you have tools? Cut a wooden disc that protrudes slightly from the cup of your jack, and glue a piece of old rubber mat or mudflap to it. That will take less time than writing any of the posts about the 'problem'
Yes it is? I said there is no big area, there is not, just the thin rail and scissor jack is not great.
When they assemble it, they never think about the DIY'er
But yes, I'm also looking at soft rubber pads for the jack I have now, to soften how it lifts the car.
See here:
http://www.passatworld.com/forums/volkswagen-passat-b6-discussion/307114-jack-stand-placement.html (http://www.passatworld.com/forums/volkswagen-passat-b6-discussion/307114-jack-stand-placement.html)
The area used for the big jack, is just that thin strip.
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No different to the Omega then..... ::)
Isn't that where the outer and inner sills meet and are welded together? :-\
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Omega has the big fat flat ish area to wack the jack under, it's all the plastic underneath CC can't see anything.
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How long does it take you to do something that is actually complicated?
This sort of paralysis by analysis is one of the downsides of forums.
I'm tempted to go and make a pad for my jack now, as the edges smudge the underseal on (the narrow and easily bent) chassis rails.
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Omega has the big fat flat ish area to wack the jack under, it's all the plastic underneath CC can't see anything.
I jack mine on the sill and pray it's not rotten! :-X
Many moons ago I had a puncture on my Dad's Cortina Mk4 Estate and just as I put the spare on, the sill started to give and the car slowly settled back to earth! ::) ;D The Old Man wasn't too happy with the amount of filler that was revealed in the very rotten sill! ;D
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If you want to make a jack pad then ice hockey puck`s are cheap enough on ebay :y
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Pm your address and I will send you a suitably shaped length of 2"x4" :y
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When they assemble it, they never think about the DIY'er
tunnie, you're completely missing the point. It has nothing to do with DIY. It should (dangerous assumption with any german marque, I know) be designed so it can be readily serviced, even their own dealers need to lift it on standard lifts. So it will have lifting points, which are unlikely to be the jacking points mentioned in the glovebox manual. Mr VW Dealer plonker isn't going to lift it up on the jack in the boot...
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Scrap piece of decking; mark out a 49mm circle, hack the corners off with a saw, and round the edges on a sander(careful work with a jigsaw would combine the last two) until it fits in the jack cup:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/vum2lse2qhj16lj/JackPad%20%281%29.jpg?dl=1)
I only had thin rubber sheet so I stuck on two discs with contact adhesive.
That took 15minutes, half of which was waiting for the glue to go off.
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When they assemble it, they never think about the DIY'er
tunnie, you're completely missing the point. It has nothing to do with DIY. It should (dangerous assumption with any german marque, I know) be designed so it can be readily serviced, even their own dealers need to lift it on standard lifts. So it will have lifting points, which are unlikely to be the jacking points mentioned in the glovebox manual. Mr VW Dealer plonker isn't going to lift it up on the jack in the boot...
The Bentley manual (not the car manufacturer, the people who produce the aftermarket service guides considered the bible for BMW et al) lists the lifting points (for a 2-post lift) as the knife edge sill, from what I can find..
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Scrap piece of decking; mark out a 49mm circle, hack the corners off with a saw, and round the edges on a sander(careful work with a jigsaw would combine the last two) until it fits in the jack cup:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/vum2lse2qhj16lj/JackPad%20%281%29.jpg?dl=1)
I only had thin rubber sheet so I stuck on two discs with contact adhesive.
That took 15minutes, half of which was waiting for the glue to go off.
Thanks, yes, I'm looking into what I have in the garage that can do similar. I have a load of 2x4" in the garage that would do that job, not sure what I've got to 'soften it, shall see.
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When they assemble it, they never think about the DIY'er
tunnie, you're completely missing the point. It has nothing to do with DIY. It should (dangerous assumption with any german marque, I know) be designed so it can be readily serviced, even their own dealers need to lift it on standard lifts. So it will have lifting points, which are unlikely to be the jacking points mentioned in the glovebox manual. Mr VW Dealer plonker isn't going to lift it up on the jack in the boot...
Think you are missing the point :P
Yes, it has lift points. But there are only 1 set, the set defined in the manual are the ones a garage uses with it's lift. Which is fine for that lift once every 2 years, but not at home on a fairly regular basis. See here...
(http://dataton.net/vw/GTI_jacking/06GTI_jacking_f_stand_loaded.JPG)
That thin sill strip, is the only jacking point... which you do right at the end.
(http://dataton.net/vw/GTI_jacking/06GTI_jacking-jack_on_front_pad.JPG)
Hence looking for either a home made pad to 'soften' the impact to said rail, or these other bung replacements which offer another lift point
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Thanks, yes, I'm looking into what I have in the garage that can do similar. I have a load of 2x4" in the garage that would do that job, not sure what I've got to 'soften it, shall see.
Don't worry about it: wooden blocks are going to be good enough. Make a couple, and duct tape the spare one to the jack.
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Well, that makes me feel vindicated for stating VAG would NOT be on my replacement cars list (even if that was for other reasons) ;D
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That really is crap >:(
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That really is crap >:(
You might want to take a look at others then, when walking around car dealerships, I often got on the ground to look underneath. It's fairly standard now :(
Thanks, yes, I'm looking into what I have in the garage that can do similar. I have a load of 2x4" in the garage that would do that job, not sure what I've got to 'soften it, shall see.
Don't worry about it: wooden blocks are going to be good enough. Make a couple, and duct tape the spare one to the jack.
Cheers. :y :y
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That really is crap >:(
Now you understand the issue, take a look at those ECS bungs. I know you hate 'GayTube' but watch the video I linked to at the start :y
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I wonder how careful shitfit, or even a dealer, is when lifting it.
I suppose on the upside, the annual MOT is done on a lift that rarely uses the jacking points
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I wonder how careful shitfit, or even a dealer, is when lifting it.
They aren't. I once had a sill seam like that folded over by a tyre fitter. They'll whack the pads where the little mark on the sill tells them to put it and lift the car up without batting an eyelid or lighting up a single neuron. They do it 1000 times a day, every day, and it's not their problem (might be their managers!) if, one time in 10,000, they damage something.. most of the time the punter won't even notice given the amount of plastic around everything.
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I wonder how careful shitfit, or even a dealer, is when lifting it.
You know perfectly well that anyone will use a trolley jack on the reinforced sill-end that is meant for the job. Hell, I've seen far too many jack users just roll it under the car and start pumping the handle.
The plastic undertrays will end up like plastic sumpguards and wing liners: flimsy things damaged by inadequate fixings, rough handling or road debris and in the bin.
This sort of thing is very common: it was split before I moved it away from the wing, which finished it off
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/fftkp93e49tdu9d/HyundaiRepair%5B1%5D.jpg?dl=1)
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That really is crap >:(
Now you understand the issue, take a look at those ECS bungs. I know you hate 'GayTube' but watch the video I linked to at the start :y
I would jack the car on the sill, but redesign the bungs so that they fit a tubular axle stand. This would make more secure stands, with a wider footprint that leave the suspension free.
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So as a jack point you think it's ok? Or just use it for stands? As I would put stands at other places like in the photo on the other page, these would just be used as jack point to lift the car for brake pad changes etc.
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So as a jack point you think it's ok? As I would put stands at other places like in the photo on the other page, these would just be used as jack point to lift the car for brake pad changes etc.
Me? Yes, as that's where the car's jack is intended to be used, just like any other car in the last 70 years. It won't work very well in 20 years time when the sill is rotten, but that won't be the only issue.
What I hope is that once you've actually done some work on it and the ooh expensive shiny novelty has worn off, you will just treat it as machine and be happier about.
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Sorry cross wires, I mean your thoughts on jacking on the bung location/replacement. Not the sill :y
As for work, yes, looking forward to getting some work done, but unlike the Omega's it's actually worth something!
Shall be popping down to VW later in the week for Air filter, oil filter, oil and a pollen filter :)
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Sorry cross wires, I mean your thoughts on jacking on the bung location/replacement. Not the sill :y
As for work, yes, looking forward to getting some work done, but unlike the Omega's it's actually worth something!
Shall be popping down to VW later in the week for Air filter, oil filter, oil and a pollen filter :)
Would have thought GM 5/30 dexos be fine to use.
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Shall be popping down to VW later in the week for Air filter, oil filter, oil and a pollen filter :)
Let us know what that costs you Tunnie! ::) ;D
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Shall be popping down to VW later in the week for Air filter, oil filter, oil and a pollen filter :)
Let us know what that costs you Tunnie! ::) ;D
Oil is the most expensive, in two minds to use GM trade 5w30, or use what VW give me.
Prices not too bad, paying retail at the moment, not figured out how to get VW trade yet. But it will be around £45 for set of genuine filters from dealer down the road (Oil/Air/Pollen)
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Shall be popping down to VW later in the week for Air filter, oil filter, oil and a pollen filter :)
Let us know what that costs you Tunnie! ::) ;D
Oil is the most expensive, in two minds to use GM trade 5w30, or use what VW give me.
Prices not too bad, paying retail at the moment, not figured out how to get VW trade yet. But it will be around £45 for set of genuine filters from dealer down the road (Oil/Air/Pollen)
Not too bad, only more than twice the price of the three filters from ECP. ::) ;D And that's before entering the discount code! :o
Let us know what they want for 5 ltrs of VAG oil. :)
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Oil is the most expensive, in two minds to use GM trade 5w30, or use what VW give me.
Prices not too bad, paying retail at the moment, not figured out how to get VW trade yet. But it will be around £45 for set of genuine filters from dealer down the road (Oil/Air/Pollen)
Not too bad, only more than twice the price of the three filters from ECP. ::) ;D And that's before entering the discount code! :o
Let us know what they want for 5 ltrs of VAG oil. :)
£45 isn't too bad, although I still can't see the fascination with buying genuine OE filters.
I bet you'll end up using non-VW oil though. Especially if you adopt a realistic oil-change schedule ;)
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Let us know what they want for 5 ltrs of VAG oil. :)
What do you lubricate with that? ::) :-X
I'm sure their oil is no different to the GM stuff, except that you'll have to remove the bottom of the container to unscrew the lid from the inside. ::)
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Official service is every 20k, I can see it's been done every 17k or so in the paperwork. That again is not too bad, seen much worse. I'll be looking at 5k services for a little while I think, given it's a diesel.
Mr VW man at a parts desk was quite helpful, he stated I must use low 'ash'? oils as some brands are worse than others and can clog the DPF more.
Only issue is VW want around £60 for 5L of oil. :o
ECP have it for £42 before discount codes.
Just totted up all filters and oils, VW parts it would be £108 and ECP £67
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Official service is every 20k, I can see it's been done every 17k or so in the paperwork. That again is not too bad, seen much worse. I'll be looking at 5k services for a little while I think, given it's a diesel.
Mr VW man at a parts desk was quite helpful, he stated I must use low 'ash'? oils as some brands are worse than others and can clog the DPF more.
Only issue is VW want around £60 for 5L of oil. :o
ECP have it for £42 before discount codes.
Just totted up all filters and oils, VW parts it would be £108 and ECP £67
Your car, your money Tunnie, but I know where I'd be shopping! ::) ;)
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With discount codes, £50.50 for all filters and oil from ECP. Think I know where I'm getting the parts ;D
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I did not cheat either went for the 'MANN' filters, not CrossLand ;D
Think MANN are OE in many cases :-\
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With discount codes, £50.50 for all filters and oil from ECP. Think I know where I'm getting the parts ;D
Not a difficult decision is it? Especially as you won't need the pollen and air filters every time you do an oil change. Low ash oil is important for DPF life, considering as your car usage isn't ideal for that.
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With discount codes, £50.50 for all filters and oil from ECP. Think I know where I'm getting the parts ;D
Not a difficult decision is it? Especially as you won't need the pollen and air filters every time you do an oil change. Low ash oil is important for DPF life, considering as your car usage isn't ideal for that.
I had in my mind, new car! So new VW parts, back in the day, with Vx Trade Club, it was a no brainer, parts were as cheap as ECP, so made no sense.
I can do 2x service, for same cost of 1x VW, so might as well go ECP.
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Buy the parts from Skoda if you want genuine... they're generally cheaper the the VW/Audi stuff... I know they're the same but Skoda are better at the customer service bit... ::)
Also, don't be surprised if it needs the oil topping up every other tank of fuel... a litre every thousand km is considered normal :o
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I had in my mind, new car! So new VW parts, back in the day, with Vx Trade Club, it was a no brainer, parts were as cheap as ECP, so made no sense.
I can do 2x service, for same cost of 1x VW, so might as well go ECP.
The thing about TC wasn't just the parts(oil, filter, plug brands are pure marketing as you'll never notice a difference) or the price, but that Vauxhall made access to it so easy. Of course, when your nearest TC dealer is an hour return trip and a gallon of petrol away, buying service parts from them is no longer worth it. Most manufacturers do a similar scheme, but it's on account and you need to present acceptable trade credentials to get one.
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I had in my mind, new car! So new VW parts, back in the day, with Vx Trade Club, it was a no brainer, parts were as cheap as ECP, so made no sense.
I can do 2x service, for same cost of 1x VW, so might as well go ECP.
The thing about TC wasn't just the parts(oil, filter, plug brands are pure marketing as you'll never notice a difference) or the price, but that Vauxhall made access to it so easy. Of course, when your nearest TC dealer is an hour return trip and a gallon of petrol away, buying service parts from them is no longer worth it. Most manufacturers do a similar scheme, but it's on account and you need to present acceptable trade credentials to get one.
It also becomes very clear, when after 12 months the account barely has anything on it and clearly shows you are not in the trade ;D
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The thing about TC wasn't just the parts(oil, filter, plug brands are pure marketing as you'll never notice a difference) or the price, but that Vauxhall made access to it so easy. Of course, when your nearest TC dealer is an hour return trip and a gallon of petrol away, buying service parts from them is no longer worth it. Most manufacturers do a similar scheme, but it's on account and you need to present acceptable trade credentials to get one.
It also becomes very clear, when after 12 months the account barely has anything on it and clearly shows you are not in the trade ;D
Or even if you are; the local Toyota dealer closed ours as we used it twice in a year because Toyotas rarely breakdown.
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With discount codes, £50.50 for all filters and oil from ECP. Think I know where I'm getting the parts ;D
I agree. Might be worth comparing OE air filter to pattern one, as the OE Omega one is far bigger than any pattern one, so I have always stuck to genuine for that, even when TC became a PITA.
Vauxhall TC gave you GM parts at pattern prices, and deliver it to your door. Which made it far easier than any other option. Certain parts suppliers have a bit of a reputation for not supplying what they claim, which is why I tend to avoid certain large chains with a sale offer every day ;)
CAF can't be far from you? They are usually reasonably competitive.
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I'm spoilt for parts really, I have a ECP within 10 minute walk, right next to a screwfix.
VW dealer, thats a 10 min walk too, CAF, well that's a 10 min drive, I've always found them expensive really :-\
VW compared to non voucher ECP is not too bad, but discounts make it very cheap. I do remember you comments on air-filters before.
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I agree. Might be worth comparing OE air filter to pattern one, as the OE Omega one is far bigger than any pattern one, so I have always stuck to genuine for that, even when TC became a PITA.
I've had 4 different pattern ones on mine, each of which has the same size, number and depth of pleats as each other, and the knackered GM one that was on the car when I got it.
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I agree. Might be worth comparing OE air filter to pattern one, as the OE Omega one is far bigger than any pattern one, so I have always stuck to genuine for that, even when TC became a PITA.
I've had 4 different pattern ones on mine, each of which has the same size, number and depth of pleats as each other, and the knackered GM one that was on the car when I got it.
Certainly not matched my experience, across a swathe of filters including branded, Halfords etc, and no name. Hence I stuck with the GM one, despite it being a couple of quid more.
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It may be worth trying TPS ( trade parts specialists). If you have one near you. Genuine parts but a lot cheaper. It's supposed to be trade only but I know a few people that have just turned up and been given trade. Nothing to lose by trying..
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It may be worth trying TPS ( trade parts specialists). If you have one near you. Genuine parts but a lot cheaper. It's supposed to be trade only but I know a few people that have just turned up and been given trade. Nothing to lose by trying..
Looked at them, all miles away from me. :(
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What is the oil spec, cant see the Dexos2 not being good enough for this application
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CAF, well that's a 10 min drive, I've always found them expensive really :-\
I meant to reply to this ages ago. According to my contact there, they've been taken over by ECP and basically selling crap ECP stock at high prices (to public - trade still get trade perks)
Another once good factors becomes another to avoid :'(
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CAF, well that's a 10 min drive, I've always found them expensive really :-\
I meant to reply to this ages ago. According to my contact there, they've been taken over by ECP and basically selling crap ECP stock at high prices (to public - trade still get trade perks)
Another once good factors becomes another to avoid :'(
Thats interesting. Is Andrew Page just a cover name, or has ECP bought it from AP?
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CAF, well that's a 10 min drive, I've always found them expensive really :-\
I meant to reply to this ages ago. According to my contact there, they've been taken over by ECP and basically selling crap ECP stock at high prices (to public - trade still get trade perks)
Another once good factors becomes another to avoid :'(
Thats interesting. Is Andrew Page just a cover name, or has ECP bought it from AP?
Anyone know the answer to this?
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http://www.andrewpage.com/content/2/about_us/company_history
http://www.phoenix-equity.com/companies/
http://www.am-online.com/news/supplier-news/2016/10/04/euro-car-part
http://corporate.eurocarparts.com/about/heritage
So there you have it...
Euro car Parts own Unipart, and, as of October, Andrew Page ;)
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Euro car Parts own Unipart, and, as of October, Andrew Page ;)
I wonder if they'll employ more staff to man the desk as well as the phones. Last time I went into AP, I stood at the front desk for 5 mins or so waiting. The room to my right (behind glass) was full of people on phones, but it seemed that nobody was available to speak to the bloke that had actually come into the shop to buy something. So I walked out! And have never been in there again.
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Euro car Parts own Unipart, and, as of October, Andrew Page ;)
I wonder if they'll employ more staff to man the desk as well as the phones. Last time I went into AP, I stood at the front desk for 5 mins or so waiting. The room to my right (behind glass) was full of people on phones, but it seemed that nobody was available to speak to the bloke that had actually come into the shop to buy something. So I walked out! And have never been in there again.
Much like any other Eurocrapparts counter then :(
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Very sad, as that leaves very few competitors in this area. :(
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Much like any other Eurocrapparts counter then :(
Is it? :(
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A mate had owned his own motorfactors for years. The year before last, AN Other motorfactors from around just outside the area approached Nick and told him that they were moving into the area, he had the choice of being bought out or they'd outsell him & close him down that way. He chose to be bought out. Trouble is, he now spends a lot of his time on the phone rather than buying & selling as he'd done before.
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A mate had owned his own motorfactors for years. The year before last, AN Other motorfactors from around just outside the area approached Nick and told him that they were moving into the area, he had the choice of being bought out or they'd outsell him & close him down that way. He chose to be bought out. Trouble is, he now spends a lot of his time on the phone rather than buying & selling as he'd done before.
Probably less stressful than being driven into the ground :-\
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http://www.andrewpage.com/content/2/about_us/company_history
http://www.phoenix-equity.com/companies/
http://www.am-online.com/news/supplier-news/2016/10/04/euro-car-part
http://corporate.eurocarparts.com/about/heritage
So there you have it...
Euro car Parts own Unipart, and, as of October, Andrew Page ;)
Ecp ultimate goal is to have the whole market, a monopoly, then push the prices up, at the moment, the only winners at the moment are garages, spares prices are dropping, and ecp will send a van out to deliver a gasket.
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and ecp will send a van out to deliver a gasket.
As will any factor servicing the trade
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and ecp will send a van out to deliver a gasket.
As will any factor servicing the trade
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Which is wrong, too many factors are running at a loss trying to compete for every scrap, transport is one of there biggest cost. Ecp have deep pockets,
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and ecp will send a van out to deliver a gasket.
As will any factor servicing the trade
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Which is wrong, too many factors are running at a loss trying to compete for every scrap, transport is one of there biggest cost. Ecp have deep pockets,
No, it's what the trade insist on, and has always been the case since long before euroshiteparts had a national network.
A garage isn't going to waste an hour every time they need a part.
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I wonder if they'll employ more staff to man the desk as well as the phones. Last time I went into AP, I stood at the front desk for 5 mins or so waiting. The room to my right (behind glass) was full of people on phones, but it seemed that nobody was available to speak to the bloke that had actually come into the shop to buy something. So I walked out! And have never been in there again.
That's because the room full of salesmen on the phone to industrial customers who know exactly what they want is the real business. The retail counter is only there because it is easy to do and might increase profitability; anyone who has dealt with DIY customers who need their hand held throughout the entire transaction will know how painfully difficult that can be.
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and ecp will send a van out to deliver a gasket.
As will any factor servicing the trade
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Which is wrong, too many factors are running at a loss trying to compete for every scrap, transport is one of there biggest cost. Ecp have deep pockets,
No, it's what the trade insist on, and has always been the case since long before euroshiteparts had a national network.
A garage isn't going to waste an hour every time they need a part.
No they're not. But the large fleet of vans doing two or three drops a day is recent. One of the reasons there were so many small, independent, local factors was that you knew when they delivered, and would choose your supplier accordingly. Large companies like ECP started buying some of them out for their customer base, and then used their own buying power to put the others out of business. This is not a new or uncommon practice!
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As above.
We had 5 factors in hoofland, and they all delivered on different days, we would use each one according to the job, and delivery days. The problems now is all the punters want there car fixing yesterday, if the factors said No to sameday-within the hour, be 24hour soon, like truck dealers.