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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Shackeng on 21 September 2016, 17:23:55
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A friend has just bought one of these, forget if its a Golf or whatever, and I read of serious timng chain problems causing engine failure. Any further info here?
I offered to advise on car replacement, but he just went to buy a Honda, and liked this one on the forecourt!!! >:(
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Yep that timing chain design aint good.
What is it? They switched to timing belt in 2015 if i remember correctly.
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Yep that timing chain design aint good.
What is it? They switched to timing belt in 2015 if i remember correctly.
I'll confirm the model next time, I only know its a 2013 TSI 1.4 - Blue Motion - what does that mean anyway? :-\ :-\ :-\
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Yep that timing chain design aint good.
What is it? They switched to timing belt in 2015 if i remember correctly.
I'll confirm the model next time, I only know its a 2013 TSI 1.4 - Blue Motion - what does that mean anyway? :-\ :-\ :-\
In order 2013(model year) TSI(direct petrol injection) 1.4(engine capacity) Blue Motion(marketing wank)
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turbocharged stratified injection
Some are twin charged, turbo and supercharhed
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Thks, sorry, it was the Blue Motion 'wank' that confused me, is it about Blue tooth? Believe it or not, I had worked out, after a while (::)) that it was a 2013 year, 1.4 litre engine. :y
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Thks, sorry, it was the Blue Motion 'wank' that confused me. Is it about Blue tooth?
No.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueMotion
Marketing wank, as said. It just means the car has some/all of VAGs "energy saving" features - start/stop, low rolling resistance tyres, different gear ratios, lower suspension, weight reduction, specific engine tunes..
(For example I looked at the Skoda Superb "GreenLine" - same stuff, different colour - which had 15mm lower suspension, low rolling resistance tyres, smaller, lighter wheels, 7 speed gearbox, 120hp diesel engine only available in GreenLine trim and it was not possible to spec any "heavy" options like the panoramic sunroof..)
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Thks, sorry, it was the Blue Motion 'wank' that confused me, is it about Blue tooth? Believe it or not, I had worked out, after a while (::)) that it was a 2013 year, 1.4 litre engine. :y
I always thought it was because it stalls every time you come to a junction "to save fuel". I had a Morris Ital that did that once. ::)
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My 2.0 TDi is "Blue Motion" some of them in the stats, you have an "AdBlue" tank of fluid in the boot, which reduces the emissions. It sprays fluid into the exhaust, luckily we don't get that here in the UK
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some of them in the states*
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I cant believe adblue is charging for filtered cat wee
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My 2.0 TDi is "Blue Motion" some of them in the stats, you have an "AdBlue" tank of fluid in the boot, which reduces the emissions. It sprays fluid into the exhaust, luckily we don't get that here in the UK
Eh ???
Many cars use adblue, as do most trucks
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None of the VW UK spec cars use AdBlue as far as I've seen, none of the Mk1 or Mk2 CC's nor do Passat B7's
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None of the VW UK spec cars use AdBlue as far as I've seen, none of the Mk1 or Mk2 CC's nor do Passat B7's
Any & all of the 190hp TDIs use AdBlue across the entirety of VAG - VW, Audi, Skoda (and I assume Seat), for example in the current Passat, A6, Superb etc.
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Other than being another tank to fill up, what's wrong with the AdBlu system?
It always struck me as better than the DPF which seems (inevitably) to get clogged with cr@p and then expires.
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None of the VW UK spec cars use AdBlue as far as I've seen, none of the Mk1 or Mk2 CC's nor do Passat B7's
Any & all of the 190hp TDIs use AdBlue across the entirety of VAG - VW, Audi, Skoda (and I assume Seat), for example in the current Passat, A6, Superb etc.
The 190's? So Euro6? Sounds like it's the higher BHP ones have to use it, to keep emissions down.
As I don't think the Euro 5's do from what I've seen
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Other than being another tank to fill up, what's wrong with the AdBlu system?
It always struck me as better than the DPF which seems (inevitably) to get clogged with cr@p and then expires.
AdBlue is in addition to the DPF, not instead of.
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The DPF is still there. SCR (AdBlue) is an addition to the emissions system
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None of the VW UK spec cars use AdBlue as far as I've seen, none of the Mk1 or Mk2 CC's nor do Passat B7's
Any & all of the 190hp TDIs use AdBlue across the entirety of VAG - VW, Audi, Skoda (and I assume Seat), for example in the current Passat, A6, Superb etc.
The 190's? So Euro6? Sounds like it's the higher BHP ones have to use it, to keep emissions down.
Yeah - the 150s and 120s are free of it (in the current generation of engines, anyway); it actually drops some of the 190s into a lower tax band than the 150s.
And as others have said (to Jimmy), DPF removes particulates, AdBlue reduces NOx: http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/diesel/adblue
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Other than being another tank to fill up, what's wrong with the AdBlu system?
It always struck me as better than the DPF which seems (inevitably) to get clogged with cr@p and then expires.
Exactly, although if you're unlucky it might have both ::)
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If you lot insist on buying smoky old cars that run on lorry fuel you only have yourselves to blame. ::) ::) :)
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I cant believe adblue is charging for filtered cat wee
I always thought it was pig wee :)
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I cant believe adblue is charging for filtered cat wee
I always thought it was pig wee :)
Piss is piss ;)
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Other than being another tank to fill up, what's wrong with the AdBlu system?
It always struck me as better than the DPF which seems (inevitably) to get clogged with cr@p and then expires.
Exactly, although if you're unlucky it might have both ::)
As far as i know, if it has SCR it also has a DPF.
SCR/AdBlue is for NOx and the DPF is for particles
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Other than being another tank to fill up, what's wrong with the AdBlu system?
It always struck me as better than the DPF which seems (inevitably) to get clogged with cr@p and then expires.
Exactly, although if you're unlucky it might have both ::)
As far as i know, if it has SCR it also has a DPF.
SCR/AdBlue is for NOx and the DPF is for particles
Quite... and if it's a particularly, no pun intended, emissions targeted engine then it will be trying as hard as possible to beat the tax brackets, hence all the extra (expensive) gubbins ;)
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Other than being another tank to fill up, what's wrong with the AdBlu system?
It always struck me as better than the DPF which seems (inevitably) to get clogged with cr@p and then expires.
Exactly, although if you're unlucky it might have both ::)
As far as i know, if it has SCR it also has a DPF.
SCR/AdBlue is for NOx and the DPF is for particles
Well that's just BS! Who thought that was a good idea!
Thankfully I'm not ever planning on having to worry about it. :y
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Petrol Is the best fuel so far 8)
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Anyway, back to the TSi engine ::)
Just had a polo with the 1.2 version in it.
With hire car driving rules in force, Went quite well for a tiny turbo engine and returned 43 mpg with little 16 stone me and 25 stone fat bastid work colleague in it ;D.
Gutless when cold or below 2.5k revs.
Rattles its tits off too when cold ;D
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None of the VW UK spec cars use AdBlue as far as I've seen, none of the Mk1 or Mk2 CC's nor do Passat B7's
Any & all of the 190hp TDIs use AdBlue across the entirety of VAG - VW, Audi, Skoda (and I assume Seat), for example in the current Passat, A6, Superb etc.
The 190's? So Euro6? Sounds like it's the higher BHP ones have to use it, to keep emissions down.
As I don't think the Euro 5's do from what I've seen
I thought the lack of Adblue on EUR 5 VAG tractors was the reason for the 'creative' emissions software. ::) ::) ::)
With many cities now lifting up the emissions drawbridge to improve air quality, where will this leave the VAG fumers? In Germany they are now actively monitoring their major cities air quality and won't issue any lower than acceptable green permits during periods of high pollution. This summer no permits below EUR 4 were available. The fine for entering a restricted area with a car that doesn't comply and has a displayed permit is €80. From 2017 tractors will need instead of a green permit, a blue NOX one to enter NOX restricted sub-zones. Only about 500k of 13m tractors in Germany meet EUR 6 and can display the blue permit. If you take your car to Germany on holiday then you will need a green or blue permit, which you can order online, before you go. Iirc France is dragging their heels on implementing this, but the writing's on the wall. Will #Brexit mean that we will escape the full implementation of this EU wide system?
As the standards drawbridge goes up, older more polluting car increasingly cannot visit German cities and this may make older cars not a viable option rather than them wearing out. Certainly one to monitor and think about if you are a London commuter with a tractor and view the vehicle as a long term keeper!
http://www.environmental-badge.co.uk/en/environmental-badge.html (http://www.environmental-badge.co.uk/en/environmental-badge.html)
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Food for thought indeed, but there appears to be a miss understanding with my commute, I don't go any way near central London.
Don't go any way near current emmisons zones :y
Even the proposed ultra low one is still miles and miles away, so I'm not too worried :)
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Food for thought indeed, but there appears to be a miss understanding with my commute, I don't go any way near central London.
Don't go any way near current emmisons zones :y
Even the proposed ultra low one is still miles and miles away, so I'm not too worried :)
Actually you do ;D
Assume you work at HQ, Brentford... This is well inside the current Low Emission Zone which encompasses the whole of Greater London. ::)
This is currently free for cars and small vans, but not for trucks and buses.
The draconian Ultra Low Emission Zone is actually the Congestion Charge area, in which ALL fossil fueled vehicles will pay.
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My 2.0 TDi is "Blue Motion" some of them in the stats, you have an "AdBlue" tank of fluid in the boot, which reduces the emissions. It sprays fluid into the exhaust, luckily we don't get that here in the UK
Which is part of the reason VW cant meet emissions with a software mod for a number of their cars here...............
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My 2.0 TDi is "Blue Motion" some of them in the stats, you have an "AdBlue" tank of fluid in the boot, which reduces the emissions. It sprays fluid into the exhaust, luckily we don't get that here in the UK
Which is part of the reason VW cant meet emissions with a software mod for a number of their cars here...............
Keep meaning to contact VW and see if mine was part of the emissions gate scandal, but as it's working fine and running well I don't think I will.
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At that age it will be. :y
They mucked about with lots of things the key one being EGR which impacts the NOx.
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At that age it will be. :y
They mucked about with lots of things the key one being EGR which impacts the NOx.
Thanks :y
Seeing how easily they get clogged, I'd like to clean this, but not sure I can do it myself.
Anything else I should look out for/service on this engine in particular? I know you don't rate them as much as the old 1.9 PD units :)
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There not nearly as good as the 1.9 PD, for me they are a pretty poor unit and not good if not serviced regularly from day one.
EGR valve is not to bad to do, my preferred cleaner is oven cleaner as carb cleaner struggles with the baked carbon.
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Service interval states every 20k, but I can see it's be serviced (oil change) every 17k. With air here and there. Best I can expect from dealer servicing I guess. I plan oil changes every 5k, for next 15k - then stretch them to 10k
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Why stretch them ???
Every five will keep it sweet, hopefully without the need for top ups in between. Eeking the services out will probably cost you an extra two litres every change with top ups... (VW do say that a litre every thousand km is acceptable behaviour).
Also, when is the cambelt due? 60-80k miles depending on who you ask... VW say 60, Skoda say 80, Seat didn't know when asked so suggested 70k in writing. Critical for water pump to be done at same time as it's belt driven... but importantly not on the service schedule :o
If cambelt has been done without the water pump, it will probably start leaking around 100k, requiring a premature belt change.
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I'll see how oil usage goes, also see how smooth oil feels if it's picking up too much soot.
Checked cambelt as lots of numbers flying around, rang VW and quoted my registration. Also rang 2 different dealers to confirm, they all stated 140k and 5 years which ever is first.
As it's 3 years old, I'll change belt and pump late next year :)
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Fair dos :y
Keep an eye on the water pump though ;)
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Will do :)
But I need to find the water pump :-[
Being WWD engine points the other way ::) ;D
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Think it's to the left of the block at the 'front', and down from the thermostat casing iirc :-\
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Whats the wanky DSG service interval these days, it used to be 40k miles
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Whats the wanky DSG service interval these days, it used to be 40k miles
I specifically avoided DSG, mine is a traditional manual :)
But yes, think it's 40k
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or "Doesn't Sodding Go", as was the case with my brother's Passat. ::)
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There not nearly as good as the 1.9 PD, for me they are a pretty poor unit and not good if not serviced regularly from day one.
EGR valve is not to bad to do, my preferred cleaner is oven cleaner as carb cleaner struggles with the baked carbon.
Sadly I agree,with regular servicing the old Pd lump will do massive milage without issue :y