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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 13 October 2016, 10:42:17
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Are Unilever right to want more money?
Are Tesco right to decline their kind offer?
Is this Unilever flexing a pro remain muscle?
Did you get cheaper products from Unilever when the £ was 1.45 euros? (or did all concerned just trouser the profit and say nothing?)
Does it matter if they go up 10% especially as Britains exports are now booming!
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Ben & Gerrys, Marmite, Surf washing powder, Pot noodle....I'm tempted to say that I could live without Unilever's products.
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It's Marmageddon!
Topic came up at work today .. surrounded by European importsemployees, of course, I was told "what did I expect", "of course things will cost more, the UK economy is going to collapse and everyone will be jobless soon, you don't make anything here, everything is imported" .. basically.
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It's Marmageddon!
Topic came up at work today .. surrounded by European importsemployees, of course, I was told "what did I expect", "of course things will cost more, the UK economy is going to collapse and everyone will be jobless soon, you don't make anything here, everything is imported" .. basically.
Time to leave a half a bar of laxative chocolate lying around on your desk at work when your not there me thinks >:( :-X :D
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I can understand a price increase for those products imported, but for those produced in the Uk with ingredients sourced from the UK I find it hard to accept. This is especially so when you consider that those UK sourced and produced products are now cheaper to sell in other countries than they were 2 weeks ago. I think that this is more complicated than mere markets and is more related to a sour grapes over poaching good staff ::)
I could live without their products personally. Ben and Jerrys would be the hardest to give up but as they refuse to sell 'Fairly Nuts' in the UK it would soften the blow a little ;D
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I can understand a price increase for those products imported, but for those produced in the Uk with ingredients sourced from the UK I find it hard to accept.
I tried to use that argument .. it was countered with "Well I'm sure you have to import the equipment to manufacture it, the staff to fix it, etc etc"
Still, better than yesterday where it was suggested anyone who voted Brexit (and anyone who votes Trump in the US) should be stripped of their right to vote on the basis of mental retardation. (I countered by comparing the person who suggested that to Hitler so.. y'know, I lost that argument automatically ;D)
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The EU is pissed because they are loosing control over us and are shit scared that other EU nations will follow our lead.
The rest of the world are pissed with us because we are rocking the world financial applecart (so to speak) by doing what WE want instead of falling into line and doing as we are told.
You can expect many more little dirty little tricks like this disguised under the "oh, the value of the pound is falling ect" over the next few years >:(
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One of the issues will be the need to maintain a minimum profit margin to make a line sustainable, if this margin is measured in Euros then you have to raise the prices or remove the product from that market.
Of course the even poorer performance of the pound against the dollar is meaning higher energy and raw material prices (as even many sourced in the UK will be dollarised).
It will be interesting to see what the Tesco competitors do, they could take the hit personally in order to gain a few fractions of a percent of market share.
Its fair to say that Unilever have a huge range of brands and also supply materials to other brands and non-branded manufacturers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unilever_brands
I personally will struggle without my bottle of Matey and I am sure STEMO will have a rough ride without his Brylcreem and Vaseline
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UK economy is still growing the fastest of all G7 nations and forecast to do alright next year too.
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I can understand a price increase for those products imported, but for those produced in the Uk with ingredients sourced from the UK I find it hard to accept.
I tried to use that argument .. it was countered with "Well I'm sure you have to import the equipment to manufacture it, the staff to fix it, etc etc"
Still, better than yesterday where it was suggested anyone who voted Brexit (and anyone who votes Trump in the US) should be stripped of their right to vote on the basis of mental retardation. (I countered by comparing the person who suggested that to Hitler so.. y'know, I lost that argument automatically ;D)
You need to suggest that, perhaps, they might like to bugger off back to their own place of origin if it's so bad here. They never do though....unfortunately.
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You need to suggest that, perhaps, they might like to bugger off back to their own place of origin if it's so bad here. They never do though....unfortunately.
Some (here) actually already are.. generally to other job roles for the same company* but based in their home countries; Spain, Poland (most of our technical hiring is now in Warsaw), Romania etc and taking their ~£30k of taxes per annum with them.
*Technically not the same company as we (like many other global corps, I imagine) have Ltd entities in each country.
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You need to suggest that, perhaps, they might like to bugger off back to their own place of origin if it's so bad here. They never do though....unfortunately.
Some (here) actually already are.. generally to other job roles for the same company* but based in their home countries; Spain, Poland (most of our technical hiring is now in Warsaw), Romania etc and taking their ~£30k of taxes per annum with them.
*Technically not the same company as we (like many other global corps, I imagine) have Ltd entities in each country.
Good. Tell them not to let the door smack their arse on the way out. :)
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Not the first time Tesco have treated a supplier like this, I'm sure. Just a big enough supplier to make the headlines this time.
Other supermarkets are available.
Other soap manufacturers are available.
Kinda hard to know who's taking the ssip in this instance, admittedly, but good luck to both of them.
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There has always been bad blood between supermarkets and their suppliers.
They are like two giants squaring up to one another.
Personally I think the supermarkets have the upper hand (just) :-X
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Not the first time Tesco have treated a supplier like this, I'm sure. Just a big enough supplier to make the headlines this time.
Other supermarkets are available.
Other soap manufacturers are available.
Kinda hard to know who's taking the ssip in this instance, admittedly, but good luck to both of them.
Tesco PR campaign, where they are trying to recover market share from their 2008 excessive price rises and people shopping elsewhere ever since? Always cycle past our local massive Tesco, on my way to Aldi and Lidl which are not much further and much, much cheaper, especially Aldi.
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There's not much from Unilever that my household uses. Tesco will lose customers who do want those brands and those that aren't precious about Unilever will find alternatives.
Now, if all of the leading Supermarkets get pissy with Unilever and boycott their products, one of two things will happen, they'll back down/compromise, or cut down/withdraw their products in the UK.
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Not the first time Tesco have treated a supplier like this, I'm sure. Just a big enough supplier to make the headlines this time.
Other supermarkets are available.
Other soap manufacturers are available.
Kinda hard to know who's taking the ssip in this instance, admittedly, but good luck to both of them.
Tesco PR campaign, where they are trying to recover market share from their 2008 excessive price rises and people shopping elsewhere ever since? Always cycle past our local massive Tesco, on my way to Aldi and Lidl which are not much further and much, much cheaper, especially Aldi.
Yep.....Far superior produce with a saving of about 25%.
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There's a lot of two-way BS here.
Am I going to NOT go to Tesco just because they don't have Marmite or whatever ? Nope.
I import wine from France, properly, not load up the car in Calais ! A year ago I was buying wine at €1.35 = £1, now at commercial rates it would probably be around €1.09 or thereabouts. Without a doubt my prices will go up on my next imports.
But, the stuff in question here supposedly is made in the UK, but then maybe not. Remember that HP sauce is now made in Holland :o
Everyone wants to make money, Unilever, Tesco, me, everyone. Tesco are well known for stongarming and even bullying suppliers, Unilever are just huge. I'm not taking sides here, it's just not that clear or even that important to Joe public. I shop everywhere, spread it around, Lidl, Aldi, Tesco and even Morrisons, and of course I try to buy in my local shops as much as possible. Where I live local shops struggle, it would be a bit of a disaster for the town if Tesco or M&S were to close down, not so much if Lidl or Aldi did as they are a bit out of town and not big employers.
So, an interesting story in progress. let's see what happens
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Tesco PR campaign, where they are trying to recover market share from their 2008 excessive price rises and people shopping elsewhere ever since? Always cycle past our local massive Tesco, on my way to Aldi and Lidl which are not much further and much, much cheaper, especially Aldi.
Yes, quite possibly true. ::)
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... Remember that HP sauce is now made in Holland :o
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So is Heinz ketchup ...... might have been something to do with when Jaap, who was out top man, went back to Holland
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We already pay more for our energy/fuel when the price of oil goes up, yet reductions are very slow to materialise when it drops again...
Ok, living without Hellmans mayo will be tough, but it is doable. The big question though, is how many non branded products to Unilever/Proctor & Gamble etc produce on the side :-\
Does being part of Walmart, and therefore part of a much larger retail group mean that Asda won't be charged extra? And what effect does this have on smaller retailers?
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Well, id like to report....
I popped into Waitrose on the way home this afternoon and I can confirm...
They were expensive before Brexit and still expensive now ;D
I spent about £11 on my dinner for tonight, but on the bright side they only charged me 5p for a carrier bag, same as other supermarkets :y
PS I don't shop in Waitrose every day/week/month .... its probably a yearly thing!
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Unilever / Tesco dispute is now reportedly resolved. Looks like someone backed down pretty quickly. I suspect it was Unilever.
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Shit! What am I going to do with all the pot noodles I've hoarded? That was gonna be my Christmas money. :(
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I know nothing about any of this,I'll have to speak to the staff,when I can give her the time ::) ;D......... :-X :-X
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Interesting this. :)
People are kinda aware of the relationship between the price of oil and the price of fuel at the pumps and after this episode will be aware of how sterling's fortunes affect the price of everyday goods. ;)
As Varche pointed out earlier, when sterling recovers or gets strong again, people will be expecting cheaper prices at the checkout. I'm sure that Unilever will be cutting the price of Marmite when a pound is worth €1.45 again. ::)
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I see that Unilever have tried to raise prices in Ireland, despite the euro rising in value.
Shysters.
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I see that Unilever have tried to raise prices in Ireland, despite the euro rising in value.
Shysters.
Presumably nothing to do with Irish freight crossing the UK then ::)
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Unilever / Tesco dispute is now reportedly resolved. Looks like someone backed down pretty quickly. I suspect it was Unilever.
From Unilever
"Unilever is pleased to confirm that the supply situation with Tesco in the UK and Ireland has now been successfully resolved," Unilever said.
"We have been working together closely to reach this resolution and ensure our much-loved brands are once again fully available. For all those that missed us, thanks for all the love."
From Tesco
"We always put our customers first and we're pleased this situation has been resolved to our satisfaction."
So . . . . . Unilever backed down. When the UKs biggest supermarket tells you to piss off, what do you do ?
"Much loved brands" "Thanks for all the love" . . . . . what bull ::)
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when a pound is worth €1.45 again. ::)
Depending on who you listen to, some would say that will never, ever happen again..
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when a pound is worth €1.45 again. ::)
Depending on who you listen to, some would say that will never, ever happen again..
That remains to be seen, but if post BREXIT Britain does well and the economy continues to grow outside of the EU and the single market, then the investors will be back and sterling will be in demand again. Add into the mix the fragile state of the Eurozones banks, which this time round includes Germany's Deutchebank and anything could happen if a full blown Eurozone banking crisis kicks off again. ::)
I think that $2/£1 is very unlikely again in the foreseeable future, which is not a bad thing. ;) It's gone out of fashion these days but governments used to devalue their currencies deliberately to kick start their economies.
What I find interesting is that the currency traders who have been selling sterling are anonymous and unaccountable. Which banks computer caused the so called 'Flash Crash' last week, when Hollande was rattling his sabre's? ::)
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when a pound is worth €1.45 again. ::)
Depending on who you listen to, some would say that will never, ever happen again..
Some say that parity may be just around the corner. ::) ::) ::) ;)
If this happens Unilever will be back for round 2. :)
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It's important, I suppose, but I doubt anyone will starve to death or anything. If you have £50 to spend on groceries, then you buy the appropriately priced items to make sure they last.
As tight arse Opti has said already, Aldi stuff is fine......and cheap.
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It's important, I suppose, but I doubt anyone will starve to death or anything. If you have £50 to spend on groceries, then you buy the appropriately priced items to make sure they last.
As tight arse Opti has said already, Aldi stuff is fine......and cheap.
I take my own bags. Waste not want not. :)
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It's important, I suppose, but I doubt anyone will starve to death or anything. If you have £50 to spend on groceries, then you buy the appropriately priced items to make sure they last.
As tight arse Opti has said already, Aldi stuff is fine......and cheap.
I take my own bags. Waste not want not. :)
I have about 20 of the bags for life type in the car. If they break, they are swapped for free. :)
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Some say that parity may be just around the corner. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Worse than that already in some places. A forex bureaux at Southampton Airport was in the news for offering €0.88/£1 :P
My mate flew in from the States a few weeks ago and didn't have any sterling with him and had to pay $1.55 for a £ at Heathrow! :o. Silly boy! ;D
It's blatant profiteering though IMO, and going back to Unilever they will be making more profit from their exports from the UK at the moment. ::)
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U.S Dollar/pound parity may or may not happen.
Whatever does happen in the future will be 'interesting'
I voted to remain but I feel everything will turn out fine in the long run. :y
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I voted to remain but I feel everything will turn out fine in the long run. :y
That's the spirit M'lud! :y
It's a shame that some of our spineless politicians don't share your attitude! ::)
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I voted to remain but I feel everything will turn out fine in the long run. :y
That's the spirit M'lud! :y
It's a shame that some of our spineless politicians don't share your attitude! ::)
Of course things will turn out alright for the people who are loaded, it will hardly touch them.
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I voted to remain but I feel everything will turn out fine in the long run. :y
That's the spirit M'lud! :y
It's a shame that some of our spineless politicians don't share your attitude! ::)
Of course things will turn out alright for the people who are loaded, it will hardly touch Lord Opti!
That's true, but it may well work out fine for ordinary folk as well. :y. As Cameron told us at the very beginning of the BREXIT adventure "It's a huge leap into the unknown!" ::)
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I voted to remain but I feel everything will turn out fine in the long run. :y
That's the spirit M'lud! :y
It's a shame that some of our spineless politicians don't share your attitude! ::)
I'm a remainer and not a 'remoaner' it's all done and dusted now. Time to move on.
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I voted to remain but I feel everything will turn out fine in the long run. :y
That's the spirit M'lud! :y
It's a shame that some of our spineless politicians don't share your attitude! ::)
Of course things will turn out alright for the people who are loaded, it will hardly touch them.
so, you'll be ok then :y