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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: New POD on 22 November 2016, 21:52:50

Title: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: New POD on 22 November 2016, 21:52:50
After a weekend of rain, followed by 150 miles on the motorway in the rain, followed by All of yesterdays rain, my MV6 is very rough below 3000 rpm.  If I chuck it into sport mode it's fine at higher revs.

Is this old fashioned damp? or is it something like erm crank sensor ? 
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: tidla on 22 November 2016, 21:56:13
Scuttle leaking onto the coil pack/packs
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: New POD on 22 November 2016, 22:07:01
Scuttle leaking onto the coil pack/packs



That makes more sense. It's dark, I'm in a shit hotel (until friday morning) 6 miles from Derby on the A50 and when I get up to go to work it will be dark, but hey, it'll be fine. It's made me grumpy.
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: Steve B on 22 November 2016, 22:30:34
There you go...  :y that is what you need to do once you have removed the scuttle.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=128823.0
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: johnnydog on 22 November 2016, 22:41:55
I had exactly the same symptoms with my 2.6 last November after all that heavy rain which caused a bad misfire. Foam was soaking under the scuttle trim panel on the passenger side. Took both coil packs out, and both banks were swimming in water in the plug holes; the nearside far worse than the offside. The coil packs were quite corroded and had hairline cracks in them. Two new coil packs, a set of GM plugs and a bead of sealant as recommended in the guide, and it has run perfectly ever since and the foam has remained bone dry. Whilst you are on with the job, I'd just check that your scuttle drain hole under the pollen filter is clear, otherwise you may end up with a wet passenger footwell, followed by a knackered heater fan speed controller (hedgehog).
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 November 2016, 00:41:36
Removing the foam from under the centre of the scuttle is probably the most efficient fix...

Sure sealant will keep the end of the foam dry, but removing it entirely stops it from soaking up moisture like a, er, sponge :y
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: anV6 on 24 November 2016, 09:26:32
So is this one of the common problems with the Omega? Or isolated incidents? I mean should you seal the scuttle or remove the scuttle foam if it hasn't been done by the prior owner?

If so, Opel/Vauxhall should have put a warning sticker on the door saying "Do not drive in rain", like Chrysler did with the Viper. ;D
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: Nick W on 24 November 2016, 11:33:10
So is this one of the common problems with the Omega? Or isolated incidents? I mean should you seal the scuttle or remove the scuttle foam if it hasn't been done by the prior owner?

If so, Opel/Vauxhall should have put a warning sticker on the door saying "Do not drive in rain", like Chrysler did with the Viper. ;D

It is a common problem, but like the cam cover gaskets only starts as the car ages.

You can seal the scuttle, but as it needs to be removed to access the back of the engine removing the foam deals with almost all of the problem.
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: anV6 on 24 November 2016, 12:05:50
So is this one of the common problems with the Omega? Or isolated incidents? I mean should you seal the scuttle or remove the scuttle foam if it hasn't been done by the prior owner?

If so, Opel/Vauxhall should have put a warning sticker on the door saying "Do not drive in rain", like Chrysler did with the Viper. ;D

It is a common problem, but like the cam cover gaskets only starts as the car ages.

You can seal the scuttle, but as it needs to be removed to access the back of the engine removing the foam deals with almost all of the problem.

And removing the foam won't cause any other problems? Because if it's not needed why did they put it there in the first place?
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 November 2016, 12:12:38
Sound proofing. Removing it makes no noticeable difference to cabin noise.
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: anV6 on 24 November 2016, 12:29:53
Sound proofing. Removing it makes no noticeable difference to cabin noise.

So it was never needed in the first place it seems.
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: driver115 on 24 November 2016, 15:34:39
had the same problem with my 2 omegas over the years, replacing coil pack sorted the problem, some silicone sealant or similar to reduce /prevent water seeping into/under the scuttle via the windscreen washers/surrounding area, and dripping onto the coil packs/as suggested remove foam , and make sure the scuttle is clear of leaves and front wheel arch drain points are open using a wire coat hanger or similar
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 November 2016, 17:37:15
This affects four pots as much as the V6, especially if the scuttle isn't sealed properly... basically the foam absobs moisture to the point of saturation and then the fun begins.

Removing the foam basically eliminates the problem, and even on an unsealed scuttle, any water simply drains down the face of the bulkhead without actually collecting anywhere. ;)
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: tidla on 24 November 2016, 22:25:27
Yep, no foam on mine.
Title: Re: Rough running after all the rain.
Post by: robson on 25 November 2016, 09:16:34
where are the front wheelarch drains?