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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Doctor Gollum on 17 January 2017, 08:44:16
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Impeccably maintained early facelift 3.0 Elite MANUAL estate with lpg...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Omega-Elite-Estate-/262810457843?hash=item3d30b956f3:g:V1gAAOSwnHZYe9sC
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I do like that one, but prefer the PFL or MFL. Is it definitely FL?
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I do like that one, but prefer the PFL or MFL. Is it definitely FL?
Did you see the pictures? It is a FL. It's also a MY2000. As far as I know MFL was only 1999, with some very early FL also being 1999, which was a transitional year. At least here.
Car looks good and is a 3.0 manual. :o :y
Great deal for those who like estates. I will be watching it for sure. Will be interesting to see how much it will go for. Here it would easily fetch around 3k or more. There it will be lucky if it cross 1k? ;D
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£600 should secure it.
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Tempting, would need some work (tin worm evident in pictures) and my other half would murder me and put my entrails out in the garden for the birds to eat, but.. ;D
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Honest description but if I wanted one I wouldn't want this one, nil MOT makes it virtually worthless in my opinion .
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Needs work to get it good, I notice no shots of the interior which is a shame e.g. dash, seats etc.
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Tempting, would need some work (tin worm evident in pictures) and my other half would murder me and put my entrails out in the garden for the birds to eat, but.. ;D
That is one scary lady...... ;D
A real bunny boiler. ::)
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No shots of LPG setup either :(
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Wish that had been around 3 years back when I was looking ::)
Does look tempting in a Irish car park sort of way :D :D
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Shame its not an MV6, would be more desirable, most people who want an Elite would prefer an Auto anyway so plenty of 3.2 Estates kicking around still rather than a 17 year old 3.0.
Seems most of the money spent has been keeping it on the road over the years rather than preparing it for Sale, LPG not working, MOT runs out days after Auction end making it not worth much, plus as said needs work doing, rear Arches, LPG, MOT etc , doesn't make the car very desirable in my opinion, could even be a money pit getting it back to correct full working spec. :-\
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Shame its not an MV6, would be more desirable, most people who want an Elite would prefer an Auto anyway so plenty of 3.2 Estates kicking around still rather than a 17 year old 3.0.
That car has everything that's on my wishlist, including the colour ::) Shame I've already got one.
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I'm sure they'll swap :D
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Shame its not an MV6, would be more desirable, most people who want an Elite would prefer an Auto anyway so plenty of 3.2 Estates kicking around still rather than a 17 year old 3.0.
That car has everything that's on my wishlist, including the colour ::) Shame I've already got one.
Yeah..but you're a 'fixer upper'. Most are not.
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That's up in Twiglets neck of the woods. Is it yours James?
Keith, ABS
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That's up in Twiglets neck of the woods. Is it yours James?
Keith, ABS
Very much doubt it from the presentation :-\
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Yeah..but you're a 'fixer upper'. Most are not.
That's no way to talk about Nick, I'm sure he doesn't need that much work.. ;D
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Yeah..but you're a 'fixer upper'. Most are not.
That's no way to talk about Nick, I'm sure he doesn't need that much work.. ;D
I don't know when I am going to have time to fit the springs and heater matrix to my current estate, let alone take on another that I don't need and can't really afford. It's the wrong sort of fixer-upper too, mechanically OK(probably) but scruffy. I had forgotten how much working full-time gets in the way of getting stuff done
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Yeah..but you're a 'fixer upper'. Most are not.
That's no way to talk about Nick, I'm sure he doesn't need that much work.. ;D
I don't know when I am going to have time to fit the springs and heater matrix to my current estate, let alone take on another that I don't need and can't really afford. It's the wrong sort of fixer-upper too, mechanically OK(probably) but scruffy. I had forgotten how much working full-time gets in the way of getting stuff done
Sure sounds like it to me.... just looking at the small bits of grot, that's usually a sign that it's far worse around the bits you can't see. After spending well over a grand on mine in the last year, and finding out where the problems really are, it does give a good insight into what lurks below. Grotty wheelarches aren't much to worry about in the grand scheme of things, so I would expect this to end up being sold to someone who's just got off the Hollyhead ferry!
I think your heart would REALLY have to be in it to think it's a keeper for not much more than a couple of years unfortunately. :-X
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Yeah..but you're a 'fixer upper'. Most are not.
That's no way to talk about Nick, I'm sure he doesn't need that much work.. ;D
I don't know when I am going to have time to fit the springs and heater matrix to my current estate, let alone take on another that I don't need and can't really afford. It's the wrong sort of fixer-upper too, mechanically OK(probably) but scruffy. I had forgotten how much working full-time gets in the way of getting stuff done
Sure sounds like it to me.... just looking at the small bits of grot, that's usually a sign that it's far worse around the bits you can't see. After spending well over a grand on mine in the last year, and finding out where the problems really are, it does give a good insight into what lurks below. Grotty wheelarches aren't much to worry about in the grand scheme of things, so I would expect this to end up being sold to someone who's just got off the Hollyhead ferry!
I think your heart would REALLY have to be in it to think it's a keeper for not much more than a couple of years unfortunately. :-X
It depends what kind of buyer you are for this one and, of course, the final price. Let's say it goes for £5-600, that's really nothing to pay if you get two years of use out of it as a load lugger. But the lack of an MOT will put most off, esp. as the seller either can't be arsed getting it done, or knows it's going to be an expensive fail.
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. But the lack of an MOT will put most off, esp. as the seller either can't be arsed getting it done, or knows it's going to be an expensive fail.
Exactly , something doesn't ring true with this one, why would someone claim to spend over 2k in 2016 in particular maintenance on the car but cant be arsed to get a 35 quid MOT on it, weve all heard the "it will probably sail through the MOT", if thats the case why hasn't it got one.
Same goes for the LPG, again throw money at the car, all the best parts money can buy apparently, but neglect the LPG when there's an issue, which in my mind is an important running factor of the vehicle.
The same car with a brand new 12 months ticket and fully working LPG system would make it very desirable, doesn't make sense.
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I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.
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I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.
Some people are just plain tight...
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I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.
Thats the point though, surely, if your planning on keeping your car for a few years why not LPG it against a small run around, example, my 3.2 Manual Omega thats LPG'd, equivalent to 45 Mpg in Town to 60+ Mpg on a good run, in a large 5 seater comfy V6, where am I going to get that in a small run around.
You could say the same the other way around, I know a few people who have giving their perfectly good Omega's that they enjoy to drive, and gone out and paid 5 to 10K on a cheaper newer run around solely because its more economical, wheres the logic in that.
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I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.
Some people are just plain tight...
.. and others still like to drive a 200+BHP saloon for the cost of running a shitbox that runs on lorry fuel. ;)
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Running both, my observations are:
Newer diesel FWD saloon actually feels like it corners better, less body roll and is very well insulated against sound. I jumped in the 3.2 and I thought a door was not shut, the traffic passing made that much more noise. That said however, I do observe the change in road surface more in my VW compared to the Omega. Perhaps fact of 18" low profile tyres compared to fairly fat 17's on the 3.2.
Effortless pull of the 3.2 is great in traffic and when 'stretching' the legs joining motorway, but the diesel has more instant pull, no need to rev hard, just drop a gear and it really flys but does run require more changes. (obviously)
80mph on right tarmac it is damn near silent in the VW, more wind noise in the 3.2. Perhaps just age of rubber seals is a factor. Done run to Wales in both, so M4 blast a good compare.
I like both.... Range is great in the VW, 300 miles and not even used half a tank :D
Situation has changed now, I've now found a car share buddy, so fuel use is not so critical.
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I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.
Some people are just plain tight...
.. and others still like to drive a 200+BHP saloon for the cost of running a shitbox that runs on lorry fuel. ;)
It wasn't a pop, and your certainly not alone with your sentiments...
The man maths runs a pretty good argument for driving a larger, older, faster car on petrol and having to constantly fettle it to keep it sweet/roadworthy/Motd every year against the costs of buying said shit box...
Add lpg into the mix, assuming you can fit it yourself, and it becomes a no brainer :y
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The only reason I moved onto the mum bus is due to a change in requirements where I needed:
Extra seats occasionally (and they do get used)
Good economy
Van like interior for moving all my crap about
The old bus has now clocked 180k miles with 170k being in my ownership and so far, so good, it owes me nothing.
That said, I do hanker after a good old petrol V6 still!
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The only reason I moved onto the mum bus is due to a change in requirements where I needed:
Extra seats occasionally (and they do get used)
Good economy
Van like interior for moving all my crap about
The old bus has now clocked 180k miles with 170k being in my ownership and so far, so good, it owes me nothing.
That said, I do hanker after a good old petrol V6 still!
How do you rate the Autoboxes in your shape Zafira? (and also the larger Tourer) One option is i chop the 3.2 in for Zafira B for MrsT, as 3.2 saloon is not ideal for running to nursery nearby. (which every one we plan to use)
Of course I could also swap the VW for the newer Zafira Tourer, when our needs change.
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They appear to be ok and certainly better than the tat fitted in the likes of the frog stuff although clearly, I have the driver involvement pack fitted.
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I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.
100% agree. :y Least it saves you going to look at said car in the first place. It's like an early warning flag. ;D
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I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.
100% agree. :y Least it saves you going to look at said car in the first place. It's like an early warning flag. ;D
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Every time I see a car for sale that's been converted they always look as rough as f**k.
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Sure sounds like it to me.... just looking at the small bits of grot, that's usually a sign that it's far worse around the bits you can't see. After spending well over a grand on mine in the last year, and finding out where the problems really are, it does give a good insight into what lurks below. Grotty wheelarches aren't much to worry about in the grand scheme of things
You're right, repairing arches and sills aren't too bad, especially as the sills are covered.
I would be far more concerned about the front chassis rails above the crossmember, as every Omega I've looked at in the last 18months has been a bit crusty there, and even patching a rotten one would be a horrible job. Having to do it properly would make me think twice about my car.
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MoT history suggests brake pipes all need replacing...
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Have covered the best part of 400k miles in various Vauxhall V6,s with my present job and all have been petrol.
I pay for my own fuel but am able to offset the running costs against total business usage so whilst the costs of fuel are high and I need to earn the money before I spend it on fuel,I have done the maths so many times and it always comes down in favour of having a large comfortable cheap to purchase car which I can either maintain myself or with help.
Everytime I drive my current car I appreciate what a great car it is,comfortable.very quick and has almost every toy I could wish for.Wouldnt swop it ,and will continue maintaining it in the best possible way I can,so fail to understand why this car has had all that love and money spent on it but cant put it through an MOT before hoping to sell it ...plain mad
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Have covered the best part of 400k miles in various Vauxhall V6,s with my present job and all have been petrol.
I pay for my own fuel but am able to offset the running costs against total business usage so whilst the costs of fuel are high and I need to earn the money before I spend it on fuel,I have done the maths so many times and it always comes down in favour of having a large comfortable cheap to purchase car which I can either maintain myself or with help.
Everytime I drive my current car I appreciate what a great car it is,comfortable.very quick and has almost every toy I could wish for.Wouldnt swop it ,and will continue maintaining it in the best possible way I can,so fail to understand why this car has had all that love and money spent on it but cant put it through an MOT before hoping to sell it ...plain mad
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My sentiments exactly the car is a scrapper, I would imagine that it would fail the MOT catastrophically.
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Might buy it just to find out...
I can always sell the bits to anv6 if it does fail... :D
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Might buy it just to find out...
I can always sell the bits to anv6 if it does fail... :D
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Recent MOT history is pretty good. Slight corrosion to brake pipes was an advisory a year ago. Its covered 9k in the last year.
I suppose a lot can happen in 9k miles. :-\
He sayas car is SORNed & uninsured so he cant take it for test, which sounds plausible.
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Last time I changed cars I got my insurance company to overlap the cover by a month or so at no cost, so it wouldn't have been difficult to take it for a test..
Then again, with something new and shiny on the driveway that likely cost many times what an Omega is worth, I can understand not being bothered, when the car is not going to fetch much anyway. What is an MOT worth on the value? Couple of hundred quid less any work it needs?
It's got enough MOT to tax it and drive it home. Once that runs out he's got a real headache shifting it. ;D
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If it were a classified ad and they were asking strong money, then I would agree re MoT and LPG. As it is, it's reached a pretty good price, and with the recent work, it will only be whatever the MoT throws up and go from there...
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Recent MOT history is pretty good. Slight corrosion to brake pipes was an advisory a year ago. Its covered 9k in the last year.
I suppose a lot can happen in 9k miles. :-\
He sayas car is SORNed & uninsured so he cant take it for test, which sounds plausible.
Yes and no. He could insure it for a day and , IIRC, you're allowed to drive to an MOT appointment without tax.
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I haven't been on here for a while, but I thought I would share my (totally unbiased) opinion of this car.
I have made a decision to take my BMW off the road for quite some time when the weather warms up, and bite the bullet with some overhaul work. I was considering buying this to use for that period, and, then depending on how much work it needed, sell as is, break, or fix up and keep as a toy, when beemer is fixed.
I phoned the seller, and made him an offer of £800 cash, sold unseen, provided it ran OK on petrol. The seller declined this offer.
I had a very long phone conversation with him. His name is Nigel, and he runs a small joinery business, which is why he has the Estate car. He has just changed this car for (from memory) a 2005 Honda Civic. I may have got the year wrong, but I'm sure that's what he said.
A few things to note
- All of the work described in the add has been carried out by the sellers God son. He works with Japanese Cars, I am sure he said Honda, and has done most of the work on this Omega, including the thermostat, DIS pack, but not the suspension work, and not the cambelt, because he didn't fancy doing that (Fair enough if he's not done them before!) and probably didn't have a locking kit.
- The LPG tank is not in the spare wheel well, it's a cylinder behind the rear seats. Better for range, but useful information because it's useless to someone who wants to use an estate, for, well, an estate.
- There is an issue with the hydraulics and brakes of sorts. The seller stated they work fine, but when his god son changed the brakes, he did a fluid change, and has put some sort of synthetic fluid in there designed for new Japanese cars, and as a result the brake operation is very light. Apparently they stop you fine, but the pedal feels extremely light - as does the clutch pedal to an extent.
- No diagnostic work done on the LPG system to find the fault. The godson thought it was the dispack, but it wasn't. I think he said it's been missing on LPG a few months.
Personal view is this
Seller turned down £800 cash sale. He said he's been inundated with contact via ebay and had over 50 watchers. He said he wants to let the auction run because he's hoping for a higher price.
Personally think he will struggle to achieve this without an MOT.
Bit odd not popping it in for a test IMHO, as a car with only a few days is pretty worthless. You can insure a car for a day with numerous providers for a v good rate, and if going directly to the prebooked test, tax is not required. I am cautious about it not being presented for MOT.
The brake fluid thing is what concerned me. I have always used DOT4 in Omegas and don't know about the different types. I don't know if they can be mixed or are backwards compatible, or if a newer type of synthetic fluid might even be dangerous or cause long term damage? I simply don't know - as brakes are not my area of interest - so this worries me.
The non working LPG worries me. I wonder if it's an old install and if the tank is shagged, which is what happened on Entwoods car IIRC. That said, if it's a frontend issue, and not easily solved, you could soon pop a stag kit in there, as lots of the work such as manifold drilling and pipe runs has been done. Has it been running lean, with poorly running LPG, and possible burnt a valve slightly, or caused increased cylinder wear, causing the misfire? (Remember misfires show easier on LPG than petrol, so running on petrol may mask the problem, not eliminate it). As such it may be a problem with the engine as opposed to just the LPG system?
Ultimately it's a second hand car, and I am a firm believer with cars of this age that you pay your money and take your chance with no comebacks - especially if it's sold unseen.
To sum up, I think it's quite a gamble. For some perspective, if it were not a manual, I think it'd be a dead horse being flogged with the issues and lack of MOT.
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They seem happy enough on Dot5.
The LPG side of things shouldn't be a bother as tanks are fixed life parts and the rest of the system is serviceable... Actually changing the system for a known quantity such as the Stag 300+ would be nice and straightforward as all the plumbing should be reusable, with minimal fettling and wiring.
I suspect that the auction will top a grand without breaking a sweat :-\
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"This car has the benefit of a Tartarini Etagas dual-fuel conversion"
I have one of those LPG systems and I am not sure its really a benefit :D
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If it runs fine on petrol but misfires on LPG that is quite likely to be caused by worn out spark plugs - LPG needs a higher voltage to strike a spark and also burns hotter and causes faster plug erosion than petrol.
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If it runs fine on petrol but misfires on LPG that is quite likely to be caused by worn out spark plugs - LPG needs a higher voltage to strike a spark and also burns hotter and causes faster plug erosion than petrol.
Quite possibly. IME Iridium plugs are of no benefit with LPG :-\
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If it runs fine on petrol but misfires on LPG that is quite likely to be caused by worn out spark plugs - LPG needs a higher voltage to strike a spark and also burns hotter and causes faster plug erosion than petrol.
Quite possibly. IME Iridium plugs are of no benefit with LPG :-\
.. and standard plugs come out looking like new after 40k miles... Now, if the LPG system is running lean... ::)
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There was some chatter on the Saab forum about iridium plugs not doing the DIS pack any good. (Something to do with poor electrical conductivity in trade off for better longevity). Don't know if this applies to other GM cars too.
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I would like to hear the physics behind that theory :y
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Probably be some beer influenced man maths involved :D
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Another 3.2 Elite estate with LPG has popped up on the bay.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vauxhall-omega-estate-repair-or-spares-/152405093145?hash=item237c0d2b19:g:yowAAOSwPCVYAmYA
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If the "number plate is worth £500" why doesn`t he sell that??????????
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I would like to hear the physics behind that theory :y
I suspect it might be people getting confused between damage caused by not fitting resistive plugs tbh. Some of them are a bit... yeeeehaw :P
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If the "number plate is worth £500" why doesn`t he sell that??????????
Cos it takes years to sell a private plate at it's full value. Unless it's incredibly rare and desirable.
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If the "number plate is worth £500" why doesn`t he sell that??????????
Cos it takes years to sell a private plate at it's full value. Unless it's incredibly rare and desirable.
MoT history looks ok, couple of trackrod ends and donut bushes and that's... suggests that it's been relatively looked after over the years :-\
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If the "number plate is worth £500" why doesn`t he sell that??????????
Cos it takes years to sell a private plate at it's full value. Unless it's incredibly rare and desirable.
MoT history looks ok, couple of trackrod ends and donut bushes and that's... suggests that it's been relatively looked after over the years :-\
Pictures tell different story, seller needs to get some lessons on using a camera ;D
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Clearly been stood a while ;)
Rust spot on wing could either be a poor, older repair or storage damage...
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I would like to hear the physics behind that theory :y
I suspect it might be people getting confused between damage caused by not fitting resistive plugs tbh. Some of them are a bit... yeeeehaw :P
Well all an iridium plug offers you is the ability to run at higher combustion temperatures.
If you consider how a coil works then there is pretty much nothing it can do to the coil pack to damage in fact, pretty much every coil pack failure we see is due to the core failing (corrosion or separation of the laminations) resulting in less energy being stored and a lower power spark.
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Sold for £810. Anyone on here?
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A lot of Shell Bidding went on there in the last few hours. :(, one genuine eBayer wanted it, and was bidded up by another 2 brand new bayers with both 0 feedback from £530 to £810. :o
Look at the Bid Info. ::)
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A lot of Shell Bidding went on there in the last few hours. :(, one genuine eBayer wanted it, and was bidded up by another 2 brand new bayers with both 0 feedback from £530 to £810. :o
Look at the Bid Info. ::)
The only 0 feedback bidder on the list is e***n who bid £790 in the last 15 minutes, user e***r (a genuine user with lots of feedback) won it for £810 after that?
I might be interpreting it wrong, but I can't see lots of shill bidders on there?
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That's still not a bad price, despite the grotty bits.
I've been told that I can't have any more Omegas unless I get rid of something else...... better get a plan sorted before they all disappear.
Plenty of 4-pots out there, but not the same attraction methinks :'(
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A lot of Shell Bidding went on there in the last few hours. :(, one genuine eBayer wanted it, and was bidded up by another 2 brand new bayers with both 0 feedback from £530 to £810. :o
Look at the Bid Info. ::)
The only 0 feedback bidder on the list is e***n who bid £790 in the last 15 minutes, user e***r (a genuine user with lots of feedback) won it for £810 after that?
I might be interpreting it wrong, but I can't see lots of shill bidders on there?
If you click "show automatic bids" it makes more sense. Does look fishy to me. Why would anybody bid £x90? Answer : in the full knowledge that genuine bidders bid to the nearest hundred. :P
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Yea read it wrong, 1 Zero e***n(0) not 2, but still if you look deeply into it, and go back on the history with Automatic Bids, you can see e***n (0) testing the water at an early stage on Automatic bids (in Grey print).