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Title: Neighbours combi
Post by: alfie on 26 January 2017, 12:29:39
Hi all,can anybody tell me,are the exhaust fumes of a combi boiler harmful.My next door neigbours vent is very near to my bedroom window,and in certain wether conditions drift towards the window.Is this harmful to health.

                                                        TIA Alfie.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 January 2017, 12:36:21
Carbon Monoxide is deadly.   :)
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 January 2017, 12:38:08
What you can see is just steam, and it's exacerbated in the cold, foggy weather we currently have, but the flue will also vent some harmful gases such as carbon monoxide.

There are rules as to how close a flue outlet can be to a window which can be opened, and the flue must be directed away from the window. 300mm rings a bell but I'm not an expert.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 January 2017, 12:41:09
Just to say 300mm is assuming it's emerging from the same wall, as it would if the houses were terraced. If it's opposite the window, the safe distance is much greater.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: tigers_gonads on 26 January 2017, 12:46:58
300mm or greater iirc  :y
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: tigers_gonads on 26 January 2017, 12:47:45
Carbon Monoxide is deadly.   :)




Can you get it in tablet form for my neighbour   :-X :-X
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 January 2017, 12:48:07
Carbon Monoxide is deadly.   :)




Can you get it in tablet form for my neighbour   :-X :-X
;D
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 January 2017, 12:57:57
Carbon Monoxide is deadly.   :)




Can you get it in tablet form for my neighbour   :-X :-X

No need for that Mr Gonads, as I'm sure a bit of pipework isn't beyond the capabilities of a clever chap such as your good self!  :y
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Andy H on 26 January 2017, 13:18:48
Hi all,can anybody tell me,are the exhaust fumes of a combi boiler harmful.My next door neigbours vent is very near to my bedroom window,and in certain wether conditions drift towards the window.Is this harmful to health.

                                                        TIA Alfie.
Can you post a photograph of it?

A well maintained balanced flue boiler should mostly emit water vapour and carbon dioxide. If the flue discharges into a confined space then it may be possible for the flue gases to be drawn back into the boiler which could cause carbon monoxide production (due to lack of oxygen).
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 26 January 2017, 16:08:00
Building regulations document A covers the requirements and is actually pretty readable (it is aimed at plumbers and builders after all!), this is available to view free online:

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20151113141044/http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/br_pdf_adj_2010.pdf

Its 600mm from a boundary as the requirement.

There is also mention of a guide which relates to positioning of condensing boiler flues such as it can cause nuisance to a neighbour (Statutory nuisance):

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20151113141044/http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/br_pdf_ptl_condboiler.pdf

Section 6 gives all the info.

Its not hard to fix for the installer either as there are plume diverters available which address the issue.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: alfie on 26 January 2017, 19:02:56
It's a terraced house,not normally bothered but this cold weather and chill wind makes you notice it more.We cannot leave the top window open (bedroom) during daytime. Take a photo tomorrow.
                                                                           Alfie,
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 January 2017, 23:51:27
I must admit, I don't really feel the cold too badly, but I've not felt the urge to open a window in some time (well, excluding on my hollibobs when if was 'kin hot). ;D
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: alfie on 27 January 2017, 07:53:53
My Mrs is a fresh air freak,
                                       Alfie,
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: TheBoy on 27 January 2017, 08:19:49
I must admit, I don't really feel the cold too badly, but I've not felt the urge to open a window in some time (well, excluding on my hollibobs when if was 'kin hot). ;D
Clean, fresh, crisp, cool air is good for a good nights sleep.

Mrs TB strongly disagrees, mind.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 January 2017, 08:47:12
I must admit, I don't really feel the cold too badly, but I've not felt the urge to open a window in some time (well, excluding on my hollibobs when if was 'kin hot). ;D
Clean, fresh, crisp, cool air is good for a good nights sleep.

Mrs TB strongly disagrees, mind.
Got threatened with a fortnight in hospital one year... had a horrific sinus and chest infection on top of death one February and my room was colder than the fridge... heating was on 25° but I had turned my radiator off as it was too hot ;D Grudgingly pulled the window too :D
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: ronnyd on 27 January 2017, 13:46:16
Building regulations document A covers the requirements and is actually pretty readable (it is aimed at plumbers and builders after all!), this is available to view free online:

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20151113141044/http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/br_pdf_adj_2010.pdf

Its 600mm from a boundary as the requirement.

There is also mention of a guide which relates to positioning of condensing boiler flues such as it can cause nuisance to a neighbour (Statutory nuisance):

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20151113141044/http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/br_pdf_ptl_condboiler.pdf

Section 6 gives all the info.

Its not hard to fix for the installer either as there are plume diverters available which address the issue.
I should hope that your window is more than two feet away from his flue. ???
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: STEMO on 27 January 2017, 14:27:17
My vent is only two feet from my kitchen window.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: redelitev6 on 27 January 2017, 14:47:00
The gas regs change every few years ,ours complied a while ago but not now , every time we get the boiler serviced the engineer gets a bit sniffy about it and always make a comment on the service sheet .
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 January 2017, 15:00:06
My vent is only two feet from my kitchen window.
Best complain to the landlord when she gets in from work then... :D
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: STEMO on 27 January 2017, 15:45:12
My vent is only two feet from my kitchen window.
Best complain to the landlord when she gets in from work then... :D
I think you'll find lots of people have their boiler cupboard close to the kitchen sink, which invariably has a window to look out of when using the sink. So the vent is on the wall next to, but above this window.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 January 2017, 15:48:28
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: STEMO on 27 January 2017, 15:50:00
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
. Fair enough, but yours is a 'modern' house, whereas ours was built in 1906. Solid.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 January 2017, 15:57:38
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
. Fair enough, but yours is a 'modern' house, whereas ours was built in 1906. Solid.
I am sure it was cutting edge in the late 50's/early 60's ;D
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: STEMO on 27 January 2017, 15:59:11
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
. Fair enough, but yours is a 'modern' house, whereas ours was built in 1906. Solid.
I am sure it was cutting edge in the late 50's/early 60's ;D
WTF are you rambling about now? What was cutting edge in the late 50's etc.?  ???
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: ronnyd on 27 January 2017, 16:29:36
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
. Fair enough, but yours is a 'modern' house, whereas ours was built in 1906. Solid.
I am sure it was cutting edge in the late 50's/early 60's ;D
WTF are you rambling about now? What was cutting edge in the late 50's etc.?  ???
Tenon saw? :-[
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 January 2017, 16:34:54
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
. Fair enough, but yours is a 'modern' house, whereas ours was built in 1906. Solid.
I am sure it was cutting edge in the late 50's/early 60's ;D
WTF are you rambling about now? What was cutting edge in the late 50's etc.?  ???
Our modern house ::)
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: STEMO on 27 January 2017, 16:44:20
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
. Fair enough, but yours is a 'modern' house, whereas ours was built in 1906. Solid.
I am sure it was cutting edge in the late 50's/early 60's ;D
WTF are you rambling about now? What was cutting edge in the late 50's etc.?  ???
Our modern house ::)
Right...now I understand.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: TD on 27 January 2017, 17:09:36
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
. Fair enough, but yours is a 'modern' house, whereas ours was built in 1906. Solid.

What is how old is house got to do with it  :-\

Mine is probably over 100 years old too.....the boiler is the kitchen....above the kitchen is a loft with a pitched roof....boiler flue goes into the loft and out thro the pitched roof....same route as the old 32yo boiler did...when it was ripped out a couple of years ago  :y

You could have what I call a 'periscope' flue fitted, which shifts the flue upwards by a couple of feet  ;)

This looks like the thingy I was thinking of ....

https://www.plumbnation.co.uk/site/heatline-60-100mm-plume-management-kit/
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: STEMO on 27 January 2017, 17:16:07
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
. Fair enough, but yours is a 'modern' house, whereas ours was built in 1906. Solid.

What is how old is house got to do with it  :-\

Mine is probably over 100 years old too.....the boiler is the kitchen....above the kitchen is a loft with a pitched roof....boiler flue goes into the loft and out thro the pitched roof....same route as the old 32yo boiler did...when it was ripped out a couple of years ago  :y

You could have what I call a 'periscope' flue fitted, which shifts the flue upwards by a couple of feet  ;)

This looks like the thingy I was thinking of ....

https://www.plumbnation.co.uk/site/heatline-60-100mm-plume-management-kit/
So...up through the bathroom then. No. I should think very few people have a loft over their kitchen.
To get back to the original point, there's nothing wrong with a bent being close to a window.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: TD on 27 January 2017, 17:21:56
Ours is in the bathroom cupboard and the vent is on the roof where, incidentally, there are no windows :P
. Fair enough, but yours is a 'modern' house, whereas ours was built in 1906. Solid.

What is how old is house got to do with it  :-\

Mine is probably over 100 years old too.....the boiler is the kitchen....above the kitchen is a loft with a pitched roof....boiler flue goes into the loft and out thro the pitched roof....same route as the old 32yo boiler did...when it was ripped out a couple of years ago  :y

You could have what I call a 'periscope' flue fitted, which shifts the flue upwards by a couple of feet  ;)

This looks like the thingy I was thinking of ....

https://www.plumbnation.co.uk/site/heatline-60-100mm-plume-management-kit/
So...up through the bathroom then. No. I should think very few people have a loft over their kitchen.
To get back to the original point, there's nothing wrong with a bent being close to a window.

You obviously didn't look at the link then  ::)

And what have you got next to a window that's bent  ::)
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: STEMO on 27 January 2017, 17:28:44
Can't be arsed looking at links these days. Any more than worrying about being gassed while I'm rinsing a cup.  ;D
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: TD on 27 January 2017, 17:31:58
Can't be arsed looking at links these days. Any more than worrying about being gassed while I'm rinsing a cup.  ;D

Still got that flatulence problem then  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: STEMO on 27 January 2017, 17:36:54
Can't be arsed looking at links these days. Any more than worrying about being gassed while I'm rinsing a cup.  ;D

Still got that flatulence problem then  ;D ;D
Oh yes. This is the only house where the dog glares and moves away.  ;D
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: alfie on 27 January 2017, 21:54:22
Thanks for all your comments,the neigbours combi flue exhaust was done while we were away on holidays,it causes no problem usually,but now with the south/westly winds it is a pain.
 still waiting to get a good photo in the best conditions.

                     Ps the neighbours house is up for sale,

                                              Alfie
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: Andy H on 27 January 2017, 22:05:40
Thanks for all your comments,the neigbours combi flue exhaust was done while we were away on holidays,it causes no problem usually,but now with the south/westly winds it is a pain.
 still waiting to get a good photo in the best conditions.

                     Ps the neighbours house is up for sale,

                                              Alfie
Now is the time to act then.
Let the neighbours know that you are not happy and that you want it put right before they sell.
If they don't take you seriously then tell them that you are going to contact the environmental health officer AND the planning officer (two separate offices at the council) to get a marker placed on the property which will make it more difficult for a prospective buyer to obtain a mortgage.
Title: Re: Neighbours combi
Post by: alfie on 28 January 2017, 20:14:09
I want them to go,his job is benefits adviser to those people who arrive here in the back of lorries.
                                     
                                                                                                     Alfie