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Title: Not much rust
Post by: terry paget on 05 February 2017, 11:04:31
2.5 petrol manual estate
This 17 year old car is remarkable rust free, as an MOT tester remarked. I bought it 3 years ago from OOFer ajsphead in Portishead, on the south west coast. I was checking the state of the rear wishbone bushes, and noticed the front wheel arches were strangely rust free. Wishbone rear bushes look good too, and I could trace no slack in them. Pics follow.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/4olqk1m8pm5rw1c/X168nsWHEELarch.jpg?dl=1)
NEARSIDE WHEEL ARCH
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbptjl6c81m0f9j/X168osWHEELarch.jpg?dl=1)
OFFSIDE WHEEL ARCH
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/dl7g8m8toaokx1e/X168nsWBrear.jpg?dl=1)
NEARSIDE WISHBONE REAR BUSH
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/r033nbi997wmjms/X168osWBrearJOINT.jpg?dl=1)
OFFSIDE WISHBONE REAR BUSH

 
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 February 2017, 11:10:46
Clearly a Wednesday car :D does look pretty tidy there though ;)
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 05 February 2017, 11:12:03
Just proves there are good ones still around.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: RobG on 05 February 2017, 11:13:23
Behind the sill covers?
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: TheBoy on 05 February 2017, 12:31:40
Behind the sill covers?
I'm still regretting checking mine :P. Esp as the replacement sills *STILL* haven't arrived :(
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: terry paget on 05 February 2017, 16:55:17
Behind the sill covers?
Not looked there, but the rearwheel arches are as new and I have no reason to think the cills are any different.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: tunnie on 05 February 2017, 18:40:45
Behind the sill covers?
Not looked there, but the rearwheel arches are as new and I have no reason to think the cills are any different.

Ha! Arches on my 2.2 were decent enough, cills are rotten through.

All road crap builds up after time, mine was not too bad but cills rotted through.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Nick W on 05 February 2017, 21:38:26
Behind the sill covers?
Not looked there, but the rearwheel arches are as new and I have no reason to think the cills are any different.


Have you removed the rear bumper to wheelarch screws and peeled the bumper back yet?
I wouldn't advise it unless you're prepared to get the welder out:


(https://www.dropbox.com/s/l5br4vsgjm26tah/IMAG0006.jpg?dl=1)


That's the necessary repair to both inner and outer arch. I'll do the other side, which is only slightly better, in the summer.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Nick W on 05 February 2017, 21:54:14
Behind the sill covers?
I'm still regretting checking mine :P . Esp as the replacement sills *STILL* haven't arrived :(


Fixing sills is easy enough especially when plastic covers are standard, it's removing all the nearby trim panels, carpet, sound-deadening, wiring, fuel lines, unicorns etc that is such a pain.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: terry paget on 05 February 2017, 22:17:14
I do not look for trouble. My concern is MOT failure due to serious rust. Other cars I own, or have owned, had rust problems, especially rear wheel arches and doors (not structural), front wheel arches (possible structural), seat belt mountings, and the failed NS rear shock absorber top mounting on the Opel 2.5 which I immediately scrapped. This 2000 2.5 estate is unusually rust free, to my surprise and pleasure. My other 2000 2.5 estate, a PFL, is also strangely rust free, but that spent much of its life in Portugal, which may explain it - apart from the rusty rear doors, which came off a 1998 car I scrapped. .
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: ajsphead on 06 February 2017, 07:32:59
I attacked the rear arches when I had it 4 or 5 years ago. Good to know the standard of my work still passes muster. Current 03 plate Omega has needed front inner and rear inner arches doing and some tidying of the sills. Will be better than new when I've finished (not that difficult really).
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: terry paget on 08 February 2017, 13:55:27
I attacked the rear arches when I had it 4 or 5 years ago. Good to know the standard of my work still passes muster. Current 03 plate Omega has needed front inner and rear inner arches doing and some tidying of the sills. Will be better than new when I've finished (not that difficult really).
You did an excellent job, both arches look pristine, unlike the ones I have done, always rough looking, and with brown stains coming through within 12 months.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Tick Tock on 08 February 2017, 20:22:45
I do not look for trouble. My concern is MOT failure due to serious rust. Other cars I own, or have owned, had rust problems, especially rear wheel arches and doors (not structural), front wheel arches (possible structural), seat belt mountings, and the failed NS rear shock absorber top mounting on the Opel 2.5 which I immediately scrapped. This 2000 2.5 estate is unusually rust free, to my surprise and pleasure. My other 2000 2.5 estate, a PFL, is also strangely rust free, but that spent much of its life in Portugal, which may explain it - apart from the rusty rear doors, which came off a 1998 car I scrapped. .

Something's not quite right with that...... correct me if I'm wrong, but thought the last PFL was registered in 1998.  :-\
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: terry paget on 08 February 2017, 22:04:04
I do not look for trouble. My concern is MOT failure due to serious rust. Other cars I own, or have owned, had rust problems, especially rear wheel arches and doors (not structural), front wheel arches (possible structural), seat belt mountings, and the failed NS rear shock absorber top mounting on the Opel 2.5 which I immediately scrapped. This 2000 2.5 estate is unusually rust free, to my surprise and pleasure. My other 2000 2.5 estate, a PFL, is also strangely rust free, but that spent much of its life in Portugal, which may explain it - apart from the rusty rear doors, which came off a 1998 car I scrapped. .

Something's not quite right with that...... correct me if I'm wrong, but thought the last PFL was registered in 1998.  :-\
Maybe. It's certainly the earlier shape, same shape and colour as my first Omega, R706, a 2.0 estate. It was registered on 10 01 2000, MOT history is 6 January 2006 pass, 22 April 2015 pass and 23 March 2016 pass. In between I was told it was in Portugal, where the vendor told me he bought it to convey his family and tow his caravan back to the UK. Is she a PFL? You tell me.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2rqsz3ew43sekm/My%202%20estates.jpg?dl=1)



 
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 February 2017, 22:14:38
Silver X reg is a facelift... grill in bonnet, no chrome.

Blue V reg is Mid facelift... grill not in bonnet, chrome trims and solid headrests.

Mid facelift was last registered on W plates, earliest facelifts on V plates... both rare :y
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Tick Tock on 08 February 2017, 22:25:23
Silver X reg is a facelift... grill in bonnet, no chrome.

Blue V reg is Mid facelift... grill not in bonnet, chrome trims and solid headrests.

Mid facelift was last registered on W plates, earliest facelifts on V plates... both rare :y

 :y :y So in other words - a mini facelift. AFAIK the pre-facelift wasn't originally called that, because at the time there were no subsequent changes to the Omega - not until the mini FL came in.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Zirfeld on 08 February 2017, 22:39:44
Opel changed the model years always in late summer. My Saloon is a very early MFL (side airbags) produced on 23th July 1998, model year 1999. I found the marks during restoration. The latest one was printed under the backseat.

Rolf
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: terry paget on 09 February 2017, 09:07:50
Christmas day 2006; while wife cooks the turkey I line up my Vauxhalls. Is R706 a PFL, or is she too a mid facelift?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxpyaapbvoe0f03/5%20Vauxhalls.jpg?dl=1)
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 February 2017, 09:36:39
Mid/mini :y
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: TheBoy on 09 February 2017, 13:51:32
My Saloon is a very early MFL (side airbags) produced on 23th July 1998, model year 1999.
Not quite. Its halfway through the production run of MFL, which started summer 1997, and ended summer 1999.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: terry paget on 09 February 2017, 16:51:33
R706 has the commendable features of solid black bumpers, whcih did not show minor bumps, and black backed door mirrors (now on OE03). Her rear doors live on too, on V828. They have wind up windows, which still work, whereas V828's original electric windows did not.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Zirfeld on 09 February 2017, 18:06:50
Behind the sill covers?
Not looked there, but the rearwheel arches are as new and I have no reason to think the cills are any different.


Have you removed the rear bumper to wheelarch screws and peeled the bumper back yet?
I wouldn't advise it unless you're prepared to get the welder out:


(https://www.dropbox.com/s/l5br4vsgjm26tah/IMAG0006.jpg?dl=1)


That's the necessary repair to both inner and outer arch. I'll do the other side, which is only slightly better, in the summer.

Hi Nick

I have to do the same work as you did and I will start this weekend. Left side I did two years ago. It was the naked horror.
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There had no rust coming over two years. My Caravan is winter driver!

Left side is much better (I hope so) and I will report here.

Rolf
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: VXL V6 on 09 February 2017, 18:58:26
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxpyaapbvoe0f03/5%20Vauxhalls.jpg?dl=1)
Is that Carlton a CDX or a Diplomat? Nice cars BTW
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: Zirfeld on 09 February 2017, 19:39:11
Sorry, I am a little in trouble with my uploader....here are some pic I took two years ago.

(https://s30.postimg.org/3rxll2yyp/IMG_6351.jpg)

Rust removed

(https://s23.postimg.org/eb9mrdlej/IMG_6353b.jpg)

Inner arche

(https://s27.postimg.org/uc4p2oqsj/IMG_6354.jpg)

Outside

(https://s28.postimg.org/md1axt6lp/IMG_6355.jpg)

Inside

(https://s30.postimg.org/7u1u3hz75/IMG_6368.jpg)

Done! No Plastic!



Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: amba on 09 February 2017, 20:26:35
Loved my old Carlton 2.0 CDX....great car and really comfy fabric seats,as passed on the Diplomat as could only find them with leather and in 2.6 
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: terry paget on 09 February 2017, 22:14:57
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxpyaapbvoe0f03/5%20Vauxhalls.jpg?dl=1)
Is that Carlton a CDX or a Diplomat? Nice cars BTW
I was about to say I had no idea, when I found a notice of intended prosecution concerning speeding  on 13/03/2004 in Welwyn Garden City by Vauxhall Carlton CD I K484KGK; so it was a CD I.
Title: Re: Not much rust
Post by: terry paget on 10 February 2017, 10:28:46
Loved my old Carlton 2.0 CDX....great car and really comfy fabric seats,as passed on the Diplomat as could only find them with leather and in 2.6
The Carlton was my daughter's car, which she eventually wrote off running into the central reservation of the M5.

Were they all 8 valve engines? Colleague of mine had one and the cam belt broke on the M25 in a traffic jam. He cranked it onto the hard shoulder on the starter, had it recovered to nearest Vx dealer, who popped on a new cam belt and it was good as new. Clearly not an interference engine.