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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Viral_Jim on 15 February 2017, 12:03:17
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In the hunt for a post omega/BMW vehicle I came across these and thought as a long term proposition they looked quite promising. In the "barely run in" state of about 1yr/10k old they seem to have dropped about 50% of their as new value and can be had very well specced for about £17k (a bit more for the v70).
I realise they will shed most of the other 50% of their value in short order so they are a long term proposition only but considering I'm likely to be getting up to around 18k/yr shortly, something that's £30 to tax and returns >50mpg in the real world whilst being brisk and extremely comfortable has a certain appeal.
I'd be looking at a D4 auto, so 180bhp and ample torque :).
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Ok...
Reply A) They're shit
Reply B) Wouldn't touch one with a barge pole
Reply C) The older ones were much better
Reply D) The engine drops out after 30K
Reply E) Real world mpg is crap
There, that saves anyone else posting. :)
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;D
Is that based on your experience of the car, or the forum ;)
Actually, I should probably have just done a poll :y
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Go petrol manual.
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V70 D5 Auto is on the list for MrsT next car, very comfy cars when I've sat in them. Few people at work run them, no real issues.
Volvo forums suggest fairly robust, only place that mentions autobox problems is here. Which is to be expected ::) ;D
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Driven hard, the D5 will eat head gaskets. The 1.6 diesel is the same God forsaken lump used in the Focus and is utter shite.
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Volvo forums suggest fairly robust, only place that mentions autobox problems is here. Which is to be expected ::) ;D
My understanding was that the earlier Geartronics suffered "a spate" of failures at around the 80-100k mark. Which gave them a bad reputation. However, this was common to a lot of auto-boxes and I suspect it will remain so while ever manufacturers insist on marking 'boxes as "sealed for life". IMHO its totally unreasonable to expect anything other than failure from a mechanical part if you don't maintain it. Any car I drive (regardless of what the car manufacturer says) gets the gearbox oil changed every 50k/5yrs.
I like the look of the D5 too, but I think the performance gap is not wide enough to justify the extra fuel and tax which one would generate over the D4. Unless there is a significant upfront saving of course :y
Go petrol manual.
Petrol maybe, manual - nope! 2hr commute, much of it in stop-start traffic, I'm strictly a 2 pedal guy these days :P
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Iv got a 2004 V70 D5 Auto SE Estate, TBH I hate the fookin' thing but SWMBO likes it and thats all thats to be said on the matter....
Don't get me wrong, it reasonably economical, reasonably quick (dont forget its a 2 tonne barge) cumfy, quiet etc... brilliant for towing the caravan - in fact better for towing the caravan than the Omega (im not talking economy here) but I just can't gel with it.... doesn't help that the boost pipe needs cleaning and keeps going into limp mode and the airbag light has come one since installing the handsfree kit and the place I got it from want to charge £60 before even resetting the airbag.... and clearing the codes....
I did however get a good deal on it, as I made them fit a new cambelt, give it a full service and fit a twin electric towbar too... which they did. I dont think the salesman was expecting me to come back the same day with the cash to buy it.... the look on his face was ruddy priceless LOL
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Volvo forums suggest fairly robust, only place that mentions autobox problems is here. Which is to be expected ::) ;D
My understanding was that the earlier Geartronics suffered "a spate" of failures at around the 80-100k mark. Which gave them a bad reputation. However, this was common to a lot of auto-boxes and I suspect it will remain so while ever manufacturers insist on marking 'boxes as "sealed for life". IMHO its totally unreasonable to expect anything other than failure from a mechanical part if you don't maintain it. Any car I drive (regardless of what the car manufacturer says) gets the gearbox oil changed every 50k/5yrs.
I like the look of the D5 too, but I think the performance gap is not wide enough to justify the extra fuel and tax which one would generate over the D4. Unless there is a significant upfront saving of course :y
Go petrol manual.
Petrol maybe, manual - nope! 2hr commute, much of it in stop-start traffic, I'm strictly a 2 pedal guy these days :P
Yes D5 is worth it I think, I'm looking at 2004-7 ish Era. Did some research on the forums, no big issues with gearboxes or engines.
Tbh posting here for other cars is pointless, everything you suggest will have comments it's shit, this blows up every 5 miles and the engine has major issues. Keep research to forums for that type of car. :y
A member of MrsT family has a V70, or did have until recently. 300k miles never had any issues with gearbox or engine, solid cars. Few parents here I know run them as well, no major issues.
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There's a rake of older V70Rs about for 6-9k. Hell of a lot more depreciation proof than a new one. I love the MKII V70. Far superior to the Omega estate. Makes much less fuss of 110mph and far quieter with it. Sound system is better. Turning circle is the same as a U-boat mind.
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There's a rake of older V70Rs about for 6-9k. Hell of a lot more depreciation proof than a new one. I love the MKII V70. Far superior to the Omega estate. Makes much less fuss of 110mph and far quieter with it. Sound system is better. Turning circle is the same as a U-boat mind.
Petrol and manual... Fancy that :D
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There's a rake of older V70Rs about for 6-9k. Hell of a lot more depreciation proof than a new one. I love the MKII V70. Far superior to the Omega estate. Makes much less fuss of 110mph and far quieter with it. Sound system is better. Turning circle is the same as a U-boat mind.
Petrol and manual... Fancy that :D
Most are Auto ;)
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There's a rake of older V70Rs about for 6-9k. Hell of a lot more depreciation proof than a new one. I love the MKII V70. Far superior to the Omega estate. Makes much less fuss of 110mph and far quieter with it. Sound system is better. Turning circle is the same as a U-boat mind.
Petrol and manual... Fancy that :D
Sadly most are Auto :'(
Fixed. But they're a much better long term bet than diesels. T5s are a much better bet than D5s...just ask any traffic copper ;)
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I think the R's have have a reputation for common issues with the awd system (handed system iirc). To the extent that a number have been configured to 2wd ::).
Again, how actually widespread these issues are is anyone's guess.
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I think the R's have have a reputation for common issues with the awd system (handed system iirc). To the extent that a number have been configured to 2wd ::).
Again, how actually widespread these issues are is anyone's guess.
Well apparently we're not allowed to point out the failings of certain vehicles anymore ::) But yes the 4wd transfer box thingamy is made of stilton. But at least the hazard lights aren't cambus :-X Too soon? :P :)
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Since you are looking at such a new car, an auto won't be a problem. Just change the fluid regularly.
Otherwise the V70 II is a nice car and is reliable if taken care of
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But at least the hazard lights aren't cambus :-X Too soon? :P :)
;D Nope, like the Murphys, I'm not bitter. Just a little stout ;)
But they're a much better long term bet than diesels. T5s are a much better bet than D5s...just ask any traffic copper ;)
I'm in two minds about this, taking a manual T5 and an auto D4, based on the real world mpg of 28 and 50 respectively, the D4 saves £9,000 in fuel and VED at current rates over 9yrs and 135k (my annual mileage profile). That includes a £5k discount on buying petrol over diesel. Even assuming the Gearbox went bang (£2k for a recon) and I bought a set of injectors at £1200 at 50k and 100k miles, I'd still have over £5k "in my pocket".
In reality I think the above assumptions favour the petrol somewhat. Gearbox oil changes would be done regularly (both on manual and auto) and injector failure on a D4 doesn't seem to crop up that often (per google). And of course, the above assumes impeccable reliability of the T5 and doesn't include a clutch & DMF either. Probably the saving would be closer to £7-8k. Oh and it'll go 750 miles between fill-ups and not 400. :y
Performance is a consideration, but having owned the Bimmer, I've come to realise that it wouldn't matter if I bought a Bugatti Veyron, there's no opportunity for me to deploy the performance to get where I'm going any quicker. A D4 would be more than capable of swift overtakes in any gap on the road where its safe to do so.
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My dad has a V70 D5 auto and gets not remotely close to 50 MPG. high 30's to low 40 is apparently more like it.
Edit: You're talking about the D4 ::)
Even still, I think 50 MPG would be a dream for such a hearse large car.
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As you've discovered with the BM though, it's not anything to do with lack of maintenance/predictable expenses that's caused you to have to give it back. :(
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Got an '06 XC70 AWD D5 Auto 96k miles last year as an Omega replacement. This is the 185hp version not the 165
Around 43 mph if the computer thingy is correct, at moderate driving style.
Plenty of oooomph but a bit kind of dull, but actually I don't mind dull. Eats motorways.
No big issues, but I find accelerator pedal and brake pedal a bit close to each other. I have pressed the wrong one :o but you get used to this, plus I have big feet !
The HU 850 radio/cd sounds good, but at some stage they get the old problems of CDs getting stuck inside. Currently looking into possible aftermarket replacements.
Driving in France, sat nav took me across an open field growing turnips, so some "off road" capability.
Personally, no regrets so far.
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I am only sat here now thanks to how well built the 2015 plate V70 D5 Estate is.
We had a 12 plate S80 D5 at work up on 160,000 miles or so, which went bang not too long ago. This was saved, thanks to a donor engine from another written off one (not mine!) being transplanted immediately in it's place :)
Very comfy cars. Manuals more robust. Very average fuel economy, awful if ragged (As ours are). Pretty reliable as far as modern diesels go. Eats front tyres. Lots of torque steer and loss of grip if not driven properly. Excellent cars, but not overly inspiring or exciting. Does what it's supposed to do, but nothing to get too excited about. The electric handbrake is enough to make you want to pull your hair out.
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From what I've gathered so far[since owning my Mk1]The electrics and interiors of MkII onwards cars are more complicated and fragile than the Mk1's.They're not the greatest lookers but then they're not ugly either.Mine is very comfy[I'd say on a par with my Omega Elite]Capable of mega miles if looked after[which really applies to most if not all cars]Parts prices not too horrendous.If the diesel is the same unit as fitted to the Focus then it's a Citroen/Peugeot unit.
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Even still, I think 50 MPG would be a dream for such a hearse large car.
That's true actually, I was looking at the S60 D4 rather than the coffin-shifter, which apparently does 45. I base all my mpg sums on the Honest John "Real MPG" numbers which are submitted by drivers. Not fool-proof by any stretch but it does give a level playing field for comparison. Unless one group of drivers is inherently more dishonest than another ;D.
As you've discovered with the BM though, it's not anything to do with lack of maintenance/predictable expenses that's caused you to have to give it back. :(
Too true. TBH its given me a bit of a different perspective on reliability, I mean hell, even my parents' P38 range rover goes more than 500 miles without breaking down (sometimes!) ::). The way I see it, its just a roll of the dice, all you can do is weight the odds with good maintenance :y
Thanks for your experiences Mr Rog, I have to say, 43mpg is damn impressive for an AWD leviathan with the aerodynamic flare of a rectangular building thing :y
I am only sat here now thanks to how well built the 2015 plate V70 D5 Estate is.
This is probably the one massive driver to get me out of an omega. With little ones firmly on the horizon, I am far less happy to knock about in a rather airbag deficient teenage motor. Frankly, if I could stump up for an armoured car, I probably would ;).
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The Omega is built strong, so don't let the airbag count put you off ;)
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The 5-cylinder diesels D5, D4, D3 and 2.4D are of Volvos own design, plus some of the last ones that had the new 4-cylinder Volvo Drive unit.
2.0D,1.6D and D2 are Ford "carryover engines". The 1.6 litre DV6C/DV6D (Ford DLD-416) after 2011/2012 is a very good unit if a tad small in a V70.
The 2.0 litre DW10 i very reliable also.
Another note:
The later petrols T4, T5 use a Ford Ecoboost 4-cylinder, also the 2.0 NA petrol is from the mk4 Mondeo.
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The Omega is built strong, so don't let the airbag count put you off ;)
While that is true in general terms, I know which car I'd bet the family on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6H0UctkKSc
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6H0UctkKSc)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUI2iNnNp_E
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUI2iNnNp_E) :o
The prospect of the expanding family is really what drove the original move to BMW (which worked out....well), I would never run an Omega if someone else was doing all the work on it. I'd find it hard to trust someone else to do a proper job on an "old and crappy car" and so I'd be left to do it myself, which I like, but its different when hours under the car are hours you don't get to spend with the kids.
That said, perhaps once the little bleeder's here I might want to be elsewhere :P
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Dramatic footage to be sure, but what of the numbers...?
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If you don't want a Insignia/Mondeo/508/C5 and think the german trio is overpriced (which they are) I think a V70 is a good choice :y
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Dramatic footage to be sure, but what of the numbers...?
Dramatic footage to be sure, but what of the numbers...?
Ok...
The Omega is a 4 star car with caution notes to the drivers feet/ankles. Also worth noting that the facelift Omega was never tested.
The 2009- V70 is a five star car, but driver upper body protection isn't as good as the Omega. Also, it has far more modern safety features and details such as isofix and optional items such as BLIS which add percentage points in the test, making an older design like the Omega seem worse than it physically is ;)
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About the only Volvo I'd consider.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201701101173560
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Dramatic footage to be sure, but what of the numbers...?
Dramatic footage to be sure, but what of the numbers...?
Ok...
The Omega is a 4 star car with caution notes to the drivers feet/ankles. Also worth noting that the facelift Omega was never tested.
The 2009- V70 is a five star car, but driver upper body protection isn't as good as the Omega. Also, it has far more modern safety features and details such as isofix and optional items such as BLIS which add percentage points in the test, making an older design like the Omega seem worse than it physically is ;)
Its interesting, I had a look over dinner and I don't think its so easy to compare :-\. The test has certainly been revised in 2009(child safety now considered for example, as is whiplash). The offset test in the video for example was not taken by the omega as part of the NCAP scoring. However, looking at the crash videos, the deformation of the cabin on the omega is clearly greater, as is the intrusion of the steering column. Hence why I can't possibly see how the Omega would provide better real world protection.
On a different subject, the 4.4 petrol is a great looking thing, however I do far too many miles (or don't earn enough, depending on how you look at it) to live with that fuel consumption.
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I have no facts to back this up. But I would bet that if I had my accident in the omega, as opposed to a new V70, (head on at nearly 90mph, plus the speed of the oncoming car) the outcome would have been vastly different :y
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Not convinced tbh... The frontal structures are very different. Not to menttion the way a transverse engine/box behaves as the front of the subframe and engine mounts deform.
Wouldn't wish it on anyone, but would take my chances in a big rwd car any day...
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Volvo for me, every time. Omega based on early 1990's design, with some airbags added later. Large yes, lots of metal. But a modern Volvo is light years ahead of the Omega in terms of safety, as James points out 90Mph smash, I would say the situation could have very different.
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Volvo for me, every time. Omega based on early 1990's design, with some airbags added later. Large yes, lots of metal. But a modern Volvo is light years ahead of the Omega in terms of safety, as James points out 90Mph smash, I would say the situation could have very different.
Yep ^^ :y
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Volvo for me, every time. Omega based on early 1990's design, with some airbags added later. Large yes, lots of metal. But a modern Volvo is light years ahead of the Omega in terms of safety, as James points out 90Mph smash, I would say the situation could have very different.
Yep ^^ :y
Agreed
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I bet you have seen this video, if not watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
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I bet you have seen this video, if not watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
Thats amazing,you'd never think a small car like a Modus would fare better than the Volvo to that extent :-X
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Just checked how my Touareg fared back in 2004,got five stars but pedestrian safety not good which is hardly surprising given the weight and height.
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Do the testing notes say
"Pedestrian safety rated as poor due to dummy being laminated to the floor"
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I bet you have seen this video, if not watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
Thats amazing,you'd never think a small car like a Modus would fare better than the Volvo to that extent :-X
Meh, it's not really a relevant test. In order properly replicate a real world collision you need to have one car with 3 drunk, high, theiving scumbags in and the other with an innocent party. In this instance, whichever car the scumbags are in will be the only one with walking/running survivors >:(