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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Opomes on 04 March 2017, 15:38:22
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Hello,
I wanted to change the oil and the oil filter on my 2002 Omega 3.2, but after trying to open the 24mm bolt the whole housing is now spinning around.
Will it spin forever and after or will it sooner or later come apart as a whole? Also is the car driveable after it has started spinning or will it leak too much oil?
As I understand only the cap of the housing should come off, but it seems to me that someone in the past has tightened it too much.
Any possibility of holding on to the housing and trying to turn the cap off?
Also the engineers have not done a good job designing the whole thing in my book. A bad place for the filter and an even worse design.
Best regards.
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It's a common problem.
We can't call it bad design, it makes the Omega apologists foam at the mouth. But you can buy an adapter to convert back to a reliable spin-off filter.
You need to hold the housing by whatever method suits you(large pliers, mole grips, strap clamp) to undo the cap. Then you can undo the bolt that attaches the housing to the engine. Having done all of that, throw the oppsing thing in the bin.
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It's a common problem.
We can't call it bad design, it makes the Omega apologists foam at the mouth. But you can buy an adapter to convert back to a reliable spin-off filter.
You need to hold the housing by whatever method suits you(large pliers, mole grips, strap clamp) to undo the cap. Then you can undo the bolt that attaches the housing to the engine. Having done all of that, throw the oppsing thing in the bin.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90579.0
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Are there any pro or cons to use a spin off filter instead of a standard filter.
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Are there any pro or cons to use a spin off filter instead of a standard filter.
Spin on filters are cheaper to buy and aren't a problem to change. Not quite as messy to do. Those are some of the reasons why they replaced plain paper filters sixtyish years ago.
The paper ones give you the chance to play the "I know I tightened it correctly so it ought to undo" game. They make a lot more sense when the housing is an integral part of an engine casting, and the cap is horizontal.
If you know yours works, then leave it alone. But once the under engineered locating lug breaks off, spending £12 on a converter is the way to go.
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defo switch to spin on :y. plus the spin on filter 93156954 VOF 93 is now replaced with 95509857 which is termed a 'longlife' filter, I assume it is better than the cartridge.
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defo switch to spin on :y . plus the spin on filter 93156954 VOF 93 is now replaced with 95509857 which is termed a 'longlife' filter, I assume it is better than the cartridge.
I suspect that if you cut one open, you would find it difficult to tell the difference. There's little difference in the actual filter between the spin on and cartridge types, which makes the price differential hard to explain.
'Longlife' in this context is likely to be pure marketing wank.
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I tried to squash that insect on my screen :y
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Glad I'm not the only one!I too tried squashing the bug,then thought it must have got inside the laptop and should then find its own way out :-[ :-[ Took me near on a week to figure out what it really was :D ;D ;D ;D
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Spin on types are far messier, and probably the reason GM went for the newer design halfway through the MFL cycle. Also less prone to leakage.
Filter costs are about the same.
Downside is that people either leave them on too long, or some monkey does them up too tight.
As per the million other threads about it, I would NOT advocate swapping it for a spin on type.
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defo switch to spin on :y. plus the spin on filter 93156954 VOF 93 is now replaced with 95509857 which is termed a 'longlife' filter, I assume it is better than the cartridge.
'dangle berries', it just means they can charge more for it, making it more expensive that the superior post 99 type.
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And anyone doing more that 7-8k between oil changes on *any* car is a bit soft in the head.
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If you know yours works, then leave it alone. But once the under engineered locating lug breaks off, spending £12 on a converter is the way to go.
That is easier said then done.
The last time it was very stressful to get the cap off >:(, and again there is an oil change on the way.
So this time I'll be prepared with the alternative.
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And anyone doing more that 7-8k between oil changes on *any* car is a bit soft in the head.
I usually do mine about 10k/annually. The oil is still clear, and so are the breathers, so 12k would probably do. The main reason to change oil at low mileages is because it is dirty. If that is happening with a modern fully managed petrol engine your time and money would be better spent fixing the fault
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I tried to squash that insect on my screen :y
I,ve already got a a dead Thunderbug in my screen from a couple of years ago and now Mogs sodding bug keeps charging about as well. I will have to get some fly spray. ;D ;D
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If you know yours works, then leave it alone. But once the under engineered locating lug breaks off, spending £12 on a converter is the way to go.
That is easier said then done.
The last time it was very stressful to get the cap off >:( , and again there is an oil change on the way.
So this time I'll be prepared with the alternative.
Mine was the same; the first change I did required a strap wrench around the housing, and a good heave to undo the cap. I reassembled it, and torqued the cap to the correct setting with a torque wrench. The next oil change a year later required the same amount of buggering about, so I converted to a spin on filter. In almost thirty years I've never struggled to undo or had one leak, and I make less mess changing them. That the Omega needs an additional, poorly located housing to use a paper filter seems like a make-work job for a bored engineer to me.
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It's a common problem.
We can't call it bad design, it makes the Omega apologists foam at the mouth. But you can buy an adapter to convert back to a reliable spin-off filter.
You need to hold the housing by whatever method suits you(large pliers, mole grips, strap clamp) to undo the cap. Then you can undo the bolt that attaches the housing to the engine. Having done all of that, throw the oppsing thing in the bin.
This is most favourable :y :D Besides i like to get oily sometimes ::) :P :P
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defo switch to spin on :y. plus the spin on filter 93156954 VOF 93 is now replaced with 95509857 which is termed a 'longlife' filter, I assume it is better than the cartridge.
'dangle berries', it just means they can charge more for it, making it more expensive that the superior post 99 type.
yes probably General Motors Corporation are just printing "long life" on it to con people :)
(http://www.e-antallaktika.com.gr/images/detailed/15/650104.jpg)
funny how reputable companies can be so wonderfully good when it comes to some products (like TC oil apparently) and sh*t at others. ::)
PS the bug does annoy me too, still catches me out sometimes :)