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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: STEMO on 05 March 2017, 14:47:11
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Press announcement tomorrow am, by both parties. Massive cost cutting expected, including not holding parts for cars over 10 years old. ;D
OK......I made the last bit up.
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Things don't look good for Luton, Ellesmere Port or the dealer network ..... :'( Fingers crossed.
I spent several years working at the computer centre in the main Kimpton Road site in Luton, just tumbleweed there now really. Vauxhall's HQ moved from Kimpton Rd into Osborne Road back in the 90's, but I'll always remember the building as Bedfords admin centre known as AJ block, spending many happy hours working there in the early days of data comms for the Dec/Vax systems that Bedford used. Vauxhalls IT systems were IBM mainframe based, with lots of other manufacturers being used for odds & ends for specific purposes. Happy days .....
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Massive cost cutting expected, including not holding parts for cars over 10 years old. ;D
OK......I made the last bit up.
Don't you believe it. One of the first things that they will do is to look at reducing obsolete stock in every form. Anything older than a Corsa C will be scrapped within the first full financial year as a write down.
When I worked for Volvo in 2013 Geely took them over worldwide and within 3 months you went from getting almost anything for most vehicles to anything pre-1998 being obsolete unless it was mechanical or used on later models.
Ford have written down all their stock for older European models to a subsidiary company in the US at 5 cents in the dollar. You can buy it from them, but have to pay import taxes and everything is now 50-100% dearer than when it was in the UK.
Trust me, it will happen.
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One report hinted at 2billion savings. To me that means job losses. I guess they will all be in France.
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Job losses won't be in France, PSA made a very healthy profit last year. It's Germany where the over-capacity is, so maybe there. One unintended consequence of the takeover is that Opel could now have a presence in China
if there were enough stupid Chinese people about as GM deliberately kept them out of that market to protect the likes of Chevrolet and Buick.
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Expect the Vauxhall brand, its its employees to disappear in the not too distant future. >:(
Bloody French. ::)
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Expect the Vauxhall brand, its its employees to disappear in the not too distant future. >:(
Bloody French. ::)
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Since the Vauxhall name and main organisation hasn't disappeared since the 80's, when Vauxhall seized making its own models. Even under GM bean counters.
I don't think so..
I cannot see the French being worse than GM.
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Peugeot sells a lot of cars in the UK, so I have doubts that it will se any long term reason to maintain the Vauxhall name.
Lets face it, the Vauxhall brand is now one of the least prestigious brands on UK roads.
I also cant see the French wanting to utilise the British factories and workforce as it would be taking jobs out of France, and the French don't tend to do that kind of thing if it can be avoided.
Unfortunately the British are more than happy too do that kind of thing. :(
Admittedly, their problems may come if they try these tactics with the Germans, but time will tell.
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That's right, it's all the fault of the French....my arse. It's the fault of this pathetic little island that would sell its granny for the right money. Aren't the French building our latest nuclear reactors too? Along with the Chinese, who with the arabs, own most of London.
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Vauxhall make just rubbish now, nothing decent out there. Only car I would even look twice at is Zafira Tourer, but recently found out the middle third seat is not ISO fix. So that's off the list now, was border line before due to petrol Auto option only having a poxy 1.4T
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That's right, it's all the fault of the French....my arse. It's the fault of this pathetic little island that would sell its granny for the right money. Aren't the French building our latest nuclear reactors too? Along with the Chinese, who with the arabs, own most of London.
Must have missed the episode where the British Government purchased GM Europe purely to sell out to the Frenchies ::)
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That's right, it's all the fault of the French....my arse. It's the fault of this pathetic little island that would sell its granny for the right money. Aren't the French building our latest nuclear reactors too? Along with the Chinese, who with the arabs, own most of London.
Must have missed the episode where the British Government purchased GM Europe purely to sell out to the Frenchies ::)
I was on about the demise of our car industry in general, Vauxhall was a bad example.
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VX already build vans for Renault and Nissan so does this mean that VX quality will remain and we won't notice the changes?
Or everyone's looking to run a mile due to changes?
PSA haven't said much about jobs to my knowledge.
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http://media.gm.com/media/gb/en/vauxhall/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/gb/en/2017/vauxhall/03-06-opel-vauxhall-psa.html
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VX already build vans for Renault and Nissan so does this mean that VX quality will remain and we won't notice the changes?
Or everyone's looking to run a mile due to changes?
PSA haven't said much about jobs to my knowledge.
Actually its Renault who build vans for VX and Nissan if your talking about the trafic range
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That's right, it's all the fault of the French....my arse. It's the fault of this pathetic little island that would sell its granny for the right money. Aren't the French building our latest nuclear reactors too? Along with the Chinese, who with the arabs, own most of London.
Must have missed the episode where the British Government purchased GM Europe purely to sell out to the Frenchies ::)
I was on about the demise of our car industry in general, Vauxhall was a bad example.
Our post-war car industry was a bad example of industry, full stop. That's without considering that they pissed away the advantage they had in the factories paid for by the war effort.
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According to the BBC News, GM Europe hasn't turned a profit since 1999..
..pretty sure if I hadn't turned a profit since 1999, I'd be sleeping in a cardboard box under a bridge!
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That's right, it's all the fault of the French....my arse. It's the fault of this pathetic little island that would sell its granny for the right money. Aren't the French building our latest nuclear reactors too? Along with the Chinese, who with the arabs, own most of London.
Must have missed the episode where the British Government purchased GM Europe purely to sell out to the Frenchies ::)
Let's not forget that GM bought Vauxhall in 1925! I'm amazed that they have continued to use the name for at least the last 35years; everything since the first Astra has been entirely Opel.
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Also Opel/Vauxhall has been loosing money hand over fist, so it needs major changes to make it work.
Must be huge job cuts on the cards, to stem flow of cash it's bleeding :(
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Also Opel/Vauxhall has been loosing money hand over fist, so it needs major changes to make it work.
The problem with this sort of merger is that it drags the good part further down that it raises the bad part.
It will be interesting to see which company is which part, as they are all mediocre at best. GM Europe's image is "our cars are OK" and PSA's "who wants a flashy looking but dull French car?"
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I think they'll keep making the Astra at Ellesmere for quite some time. And I can see them producing the either replacements for the Nemo/Bipper or Jumper(Relay)/ Boxer vans at Luton. If they ditch Fiat, which they have already done with their midsize van.
You don't throw away recently updated factories. According to me brexit is the main issue for the future.
My theory of the brand strategy is:
Citroen still as comfy, family oriented cars with charm at good prices. Competing with Skoda, Renault , Seat, Kia etc..
Opel/Vauxhall kept in the middle to compete VW, Ford etc.
Pushing Peugeot towards Audi, Volvo and BMW territory, which they already started.
And I think they should pitch DS as an MINI competitor.
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Give it a couple of years and Chevrolet will be back in the market...
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As long as the offerings don't sink to the piss poor levels of the likes of the C4 Grand Picasso
crap like we have at work.
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As long as the offerings don't sink to the piss poor levels of the likes of the C4 Grand Picasso
crap like we have at work.
How many times has the dash been replaced?
Every single MPV style Citroen since the original Xsara Picasso has suffered bad instrumentation reliability....
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As long as the offerings don't sink to the piss poor levels of the likes of the C4 Grand Picasso
crap like we have at work.
How many times has the dash been replaced?
Every single MPV style Citroen since the original Xsara Picasso has suffered bad instrumentation reliability....
.. and incendiary fuse boxes. ::)
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The only decent MPV out there I can see is the Ford S-Max :-\
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The only decent MPV out there I can see is the Ford S-Max :-\
Oh dear, that is grim. Obviously nobody should have to tolerate MPVs, but those poor souls that do should be able to do far better than the S-Max.... ....urgh!
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The only decent MPV out there I can see is the Ford S-Max :-\
Oh dear, that is grim. Obviously nobody should have to tolerate MPVs, but those poor souls that do should be able to do far better than the S-Max.... ....urgh!
Shitron C4 is another option, but unless buying brand spankers or on PCP I will forget that.
Zafira Tourer is flawed as MPV, might as well just run an Estate car instead.
VW Sharan/Seat Alhambra good options, maybe a little dull. Later examples are only diesel, although idea of sliding doors is a bit appeal.
So going to be two horse race been S-Max or Alhambra of 2012 is vintage I think
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The only decent MPV out there I can see is the Ford S-Max :-\
Oh dear, that is grim. Obviously nobody should have to tolerate MPVs, but those poor souls that do should be able to do far better than the S-Max.... ....urgh!
I drove one once from Munich to South Tyrol and back. Had no real issues with it as a car, comfortable, well specc'd and no slower than anything else of its ilk.
I've always had a soft spot for the 2.5T petrol. Remap, exhaust and an inter-cooler should be good for 300bhp and a few surprises at the traffic lights.
Thankfully its never come to that as SWMBO and I don't have kids.
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I always thought the later S-Max, with Sport kit's are decent looking. Always found Galaxy and S-Max a comfy place :y
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The C4 Picasso is a bit of a dark horse. They can have electrickery issues if but if you get a good'un they are great cars. Probably the best midsize MPV.. I blame the Spaniards who put them together ::) ;D
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The C4 Picasso is a bit of a dark horse. They can have electrickery issues if but if you get a good'un they are great cars. Probably the best midsize MPV.. I blame the Spaniards who put them together ::) ;D
The driving experience is woeful, the worst manual box I have experienced in a car for a few decades and a clunk with every shift, a rather awful and over complicated instrument/LCD screen plus a smaller screen for all the menu driven functions which responds like a grandma that's overdosed on sleeping tablets.
Throw in an average 2.0 diesel which is geared for economy/emissions so you have to keep shifting the crap gears and a soggy ride and the result is a right load of old crap!
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The Gen 2 Picasso's (2013 on) actually drive nicely and the manual box shifts nice and slick. But the auto is of course the best option in this type of car.
The 1:st gen also drives decently but I have less experience with them.
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The C4 Picasso is a bit of a dark horse. They can have electrickery issues if but if you get a good'un they are great cars. Probably the best midsize MPV.. I blame the Spaniards who put them together ::) ;D
The driving experience is woeful, the worst manual box I have experienced in a car for a few decades and a clunk with every shift, a rather awful and over complicated instrument/LCD screen plus a smaller screen for all the menu driven functions which responds like a grandma that's overdosed on sleeping tablets.
Throw in an average 2.0 diesel which is geared for economy/emissions so you have to keep shifting the crap gears and a soggy ride and the result is a right load of old crap!
You're not fussy on it, then? :-\
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Vivaro...
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Vivaro...
The word association thread is further down the board.
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I'd actively seek out a car with a soggy ride, given the state of some of the roads these days!
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I'd actively seek out a car with a soggy comfortable ride, given the state of some of the roads these days!
Fixed :y
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The Gen 2 Picasso's (2013 on) actually drive nicely and the manual box shifts nice and slick. But the auto is of course the best option in this type of car.
The 1:st gen also drives decently but I have less experience with them.
These are late 2016 vehicles......utter utter pants
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The C4 Picasso is a bit of a dark horse. They can have electrickery issues if but if you get a good'un they are great cars. Probably the best midsize MPV.. I blame the Spaniards who put them together ::) ;D
The driving experience is woeful, the worst manual box I have experienced in a car for a few decades and a clunk with every shift, a rather awful and over complicated instrument/LCD screen plus a smaller screen for all the menu driven functions which responds like a grandma that's overdosed on sleeping tablets.
Throw in an average 2.0 diesel which is geared for economy/emissions so you have to keep shifting the crap gears and a soggy ride and the result is a right load of old crap!
You're not fussy on it, then? :-\
;D :D :y
There not great.......not by any means!
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Well....I would buy another astra estate no matter who owns the company. In fact, I probably will buy a 1.4T within a year or so.
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We're not all the same.
A French colleague I'd known for years retired a few years back. We were on a business trip together shortly before, and I asked him over a meal and a nice bottle or two of red what he might do with his retirement.
"Well, first I'm going to treat myself to a a large, very luxurious, but quick, car. Something I can fit all my fishing gear in, and which I won't tire of driving. Then I'm going to travel around France doing a spot of fishing here and there and just relax...."
Being a petrol head, I asked him what car he was interested in, wondering if he was thinking Bentley, or perhaps a little more modestly considering a Merc or BMW.. Maybe a Jag.
"Oh, that's easy. A Citroen C5"
It was all I could do to keep a straight face.
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We're not all the same.
A French colleague I'd known for years retired a few years back. We were on a business trip together shortly before, and I asked him over a meal and a nice bottle or two of red what he might do with his retirement.
"Well, first I'm going to treat myself to a a large, very luxurious, but quick, car. Something I can fit all my fishing gear in, and which I won't tire of driving. Then I'm going to travel around France doing a spot of fishing here and there and just relax...."
Being a petrol head, I asked him what car he was interested in, wondering if he was thinking Bentley, or perhaps a little more modestly considering a Merc or BMW.. Maybe a Jag.
"Oh, that's easy. A Citroen C5"
It was all I could do to keep a straight face.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂
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We're not all the same.
A French colleague I'd known for years retired a few years back. We were on a business trip together shortly before, and I asked him over a meal and a nice bottle or two of red what he might do with his retirement.
"Well, first I'm going to treat myself to a a large, very luxurious, but quick, car. Something I can fit all my fishing gear in, and which I won't tire of driving. Then I'm going to travel around France doing a spot of fishing here and there and just relax...."
Being a petrol head, I asked him what car he was interested in, wondering if he was thinking Bentley, or perhaps a little more modestly considering a Merc or BMW.. Maybe a Jag.
"Oh, that's easy. A Citroen C5"
It was all I could do to keep a straight face.
Im another kind of petrolhead apparently..
A C5 is a brilliant choice :y
I would buy a brand new one in a heartbeat if I had the money, but since I'm an engineering student I don't..
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We're not all the same.
A French colleague I'd known for years retired a few years back. We were on a business trip together shortly before, and I asked him over a meal and a nice bottle or two of red what he might do with his retirement.
"Well, first I'm going to treat myself to a a large, very luxurious, but quick, car. Something I can fit all my fishing gear in, and which I won't tire of driving. Then I'm going to travel around France doing a spot of fishing here and there and just relax...."
Being a petrol head, I asked him what car he was interested in, wondering if he was thinking Bentley, or perhaps a little more modestly considering a Merc or BMW.. Maybe a Jag.
"Oh, that's easy. A Citroen C5"
It was all I could do to keep a straight face.
Im another kind of petrolhead apparently..
A C5 is a brilliant choice :y
I would buy a brand new one in a heartbeat if I had the money, but since I'm an engineering student I don't..
*face-palm* :D
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We're not all the same.
A French colleague I'd known for years retired a few years back. We were on a business trip together shortly before, and I asked him over a meal and a nice bottle or two of red what he might do with his retirement.
"Well, first I'm going to treat myself to a a large, very luxurious, but quick, car. Something I can fit all my fishing gear in, and which I won't tire of driving. Then I'm going to travel around France doing a spot of fishing here and there and just relax...."
Being a petrol head, I asked him what car he was interested in, wondering if he was thinking Bentley, or perhaps a little more modestly considering a Merc or BMW.. Maybe a Jag.
"Oh, that's easy. A Citroen C5"
It was all I could do to keep a straight face.
Im another kind of petrolhead apparently..
A C5 is a brilliant choice :y
I would buy a brand new one in a heartbeat if I had the money, but since I'm an engineering student I don't..
face-palm* :D
Ehmm ??
The C5 is one of the few cars on sale where you can see that engineers had something to say in the design. Like Citroëns of old, SAAB's and Mercs/Audis from the 80/90's.
They are lovely to drive, nice to work on (I'm also a graduated car mechanic btw) and it looks good .
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We're not all the same.
A French colleague I'd known for years retired a few years back. We were on a business trip together shortly before, and I asked him over a meal and a nice bottle or two of red what he might do with his retirement.
"Well, first I'm going to treat myself to a a large, very luxurious, but quick, car. Something I can fit all my fishing gear in, and which I won't tire of driving. Then I'm going to travel around France doing a spot of fishing here and there and just relax...."
Being a petrol head, I asked him what car he was interested in, wondering if he was thinking Bentley, or perhaps a little more modestly considering a Merc or BMW.. Maybe a Jag.
"Oh, that's easy. A Citroen C5"
It was all I could do to keep a straight face.
Im another kind of petrolhead apparently..
A C5 is a brilliant choice :y
I would buy a brand new one in a heartbeat if I had the money, but since I'm an engineering student I don't..
face-palm* :D
Ehmm ??
The C5 is one of the few cars on sale where you can see that engineers had something to say in the design. Like Citroëns of old, SAAB's and Mercs/Audis from the 80/90's.
They are lovely to drive, nice to work on (I'm also a graduated car mechanic btw) and it looks good .
I hate to rain on your parade... but technically it's not on sale. They pulled it last year as no one wanted it. :P
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Not in Britain, no.
But in the rest of Europe it still is on sale...
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Driven too many C5's to ever want to even see one ever again. Good awful car, poor performance (v6 petrol) and life changing handling (it will kill you).
Honestly, knackered old Elites handle better on their original suspension.
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As if the C5 wasn't a bad enough car, Not forgetting with the majority being a 2.0 diesel make them an even more dreary car.
Can just imagine it....
"When I grow up, I inspire to own a Citroen C5 2.0 HDi when I earn my fortune and am happily retired"
In a parallel universe maybe...
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I'd actively seek out a car with a soggy ride, given the state of some of the roads these days!
Yet you hardened your Elite :-\
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As if the C5 wasn't a bad enough car, Not forgetting with the majority being a 2.0 diesel make them an even more dreary car.
Can just imagine it....
"When I grow up, I inspire to own a Citroen C5 2.0 HDi when I earn my fortune and am happily retired"
In a parallel universe maybe...
They did come in V6 petrol or diesel form y'know..
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I have to use an MPV for my annual good deed :(.
The Zafira, for all its faults, meets the needs quite well. Could do with being a bit larger (mines a Zaffy-A), and personally I find it about as comfortable as a shitty S-Max, but not quite as comfortable as an even shittier C4 Picasso. It handles better than an S-Max and a Picasso, despite its ultra grippy Debica Presto tyres that the tunster would love (I've tried, I can't wear them out).
Its well known mine has performance issues, but that is unique to my specific one, probably based around its fully stamped, but dubious service history.
As much as I hate the bloody thing, I will have to concede it is ultra reliable, flexible and practical. When you consider the abuse mine gets, and a single annual glance over when I change the fluids, its hard to fault. Engine/performance issue aside.
Though the cheeky fickwets chanrged me extra to get it washed before its MOT. Apparently it was minging ;D
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Tunnie, in your case, I think 2 bricks makes sense. I'm sure MrsT will oblige in helping ;D
Ooooo, I feel a little bit sick now...
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Driven too many C5's to ever want to even see one ever again. Good awful car, poor performance (v6 petrol) and life changing handling (it will kill you).
Honestly, knackered old Elites handle better on their original suspension.
Never had any issues with the handling, nor me or my old man. And we (mostly him) have done a lot of miles in C5's. I would rather say they are stable and planted cars, great in the snow too.
And i find the 3.0 V6 petrol versions a lovely drive, sound good too. But opinions opinions....
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Driven too many C5's to ever want to even see one ever again. Good awful car, poor performance (v6 petrol) and life changing handling (it will kill you).
Honestly, knackered old Elites handle better on their original suspension.
Never had any issues with the handling, nor me or my old man. And we (mostly him) have done a lot of miles in C5's. I would rather say they are stable and planted cars, great in the snow too.
And i find the 3.0 V6 petrol versions a lovely drive, sound good too. But opinions opinions....
Clearly you don't try hard enough. Perfectly understandable in a C5 though :y
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Driven too many C5's to ever want to even see one ever again. Good awful car, poor performance (v6 petrol) and life changing handling (it will kill you).
Honestly, knackered old Elites handle better on their original suspension.
Never had any issues with the handling, nor me or my old man. And we (mostly him) have done a lot of miles in C5's. I would rather say they are stable and planted cars, great in the snow too.
And i find the 3.0 V6 petrol versions a lovely drive, sound good too. But opinions opinions....
Clearly you don't try hard enough. Perfectly understandable in a C5 though :y
Its not really a car you take to the Nürburgring... I'd get a Saxo Vts for that :D
But even a wheezy 1.6hdi estate C5 II can doo 115 mph on the autobahn ::)
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Driven too many C5's to ever want to even see one ever again. Good awful car, poor performance (v6 petrol) and life changing handling (it will kill you).
Honestly, knackered old Elites handle better on their original suspension.
Never had any issues with the handling, nor me or my old man. And we (mostly him) have done a lot of miles in C5's. I would rather say they are stable and planted cars, great in the snow too.
And i find the 3.0 V6 petrol versions a lovely drive, sound good too. But opinions opinions....
Clearly you don't try hard enough. Perfectly understandable in a C5 though :y
Its not really a car you take to the Nürburgring... I'd get a Saxo Vts for that :D
But even a wheezy 1.6hdi estate C5 II can doo 115 mph on the autobahn ::)
Right up to the point where the turbo shits itself... after which, it will still reach 115, but will take about 20 seconds to hit 60... ::)
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But even a wheezy 1.6hdi estate C5 II can doo 115 mph on the autobahn ::)
Exactly. So gutless PoS. And corners or braking. How well does it do in that (worse than poor, I already know).
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Driven too many C5's to ever want to even see one ever again. Good awful car, poor performance (v6 petrol) and life changing handling (it will kill you).
Honestly, knackered old Elites handle better on their original suspension.
Never had any issues with the handling, nor me or my old man. And we (mostly him) have done a lot of miles in C5's. I would rather say they are stable and planted cars, great in the snow too.
And i find the 3.0 V6 petrol versions a lovely drive, sound good too. But opinions opinions....
Clearly you don't try hard enough. Perfectly understandable in a C5 though :y
Its not really a car you take to the Nürburgring... I'd get a Saxo Vts for that :D
But even a wheezy 1.6hdi estate C5 II can doo 115 mph on the autobahn ::)
Right up to the point where the turbo shits itself... after which, it will still reach 115, but will take about 20 seconds to hit 60... ::)
That turbo didn't shit itself in 240000km/150000 miles ...
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But even a wheezy 1.6hdi estate C5 II can doo 115 mph on the autobahn ::)
Exactly. So gutless PoS. And corners or braking. How well does it do in that (worse than poor, I already know).
I guess you've mostly driven run to the ground, neglected examples then...
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but will take about 20 seconds to hit 60... ::)
That might give Zaffy a run for its money ;D
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So is this now the Peugeot Omega Owners Forum now?
We could just shorten it down to...... Oh no, hang on, scrub that.
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But even a wheezy 1.6hdi estate C5 II can doo 115 mph on the autobahn ::)
Exactly. So gutless PoS. And corners or braking. How well does it do in that (worse than poor, I already know).
I guess you've mostly driven run to the groun, neglected examples then...
If you holiday in France, its usually between one of those or the only marginally better, but slightly smaller Laguna.
This is why I prefer to drive my own car they if possible ;D
My old boss had a v6 petrol C5 from nearly new. Equally dire. The chassis and body is connected to the wheels in Slinkys. He only had it a few months due to poor reliability, and the fact he could see we were both going to die when I fogot we were in a joke car. Replaced it with an older soot chucker Mundano. Much, much nicer to drive briskly, even though not as quick off the line.
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So is this now the Peugeot Omega Owners Forum now?
We could just shorten it down to...... Oh no, hang on, scrub that.
Well, I've always said Pug owners are gay... ;)
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The only Citroen I've ever liked is the DS19 all the modern ones do absolutely nothing for me.
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So is this now the Peugeot Omega Owners Forum now?
We could just shorten it down to...... Oh no, hang on, scrub that.
Well, I've always said Pug owners are gay... ;)
Bugger. Rumbled. Leave quietly via the back door (giggedy). ;D
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What a sad day. :(
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It will be interesting to see what GM will do to replace the Opel vehicles in the Buick and Holden lines now. And also if the new Insignia will still be the new Commodore, which I would think at this point it will still be. This changes a lot for GM. Lots of new things to come for sure.
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It will be interesting to see what GM will do to replace the Opel vehicles in the Buick and Holden lines now. And also if the new Insignia will still be the new Commodore, which I would think at this point it will still be. This changes a lot for GM. Lots of new things to come for sure.
Carry on building them... in Thailand, Canada and Mexico... much like they do now ::)
And before you say New Insignia, that is a BUICK product that happens, or rather was going, to be rebadgedbuilt in Russelheim :-X
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While I'm not a fan of the French takeover getting rid of the Vauxhall name would probably be a bad move.
Back in the 80s Vauxhall dealers sold both Vauxhall and Opel, British buyers weren't that interested in the Opel product despite being identical.
People on here are saying Vauxhall make rubbish, Luton is building vans for VX, Opel, Nissan and Renault and elsmereport is producing the Astra and 2.8 V6 powering the insignia VXR. Is this really rubbish?
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Yeah, the Insignia is utter crap
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Also who said Vauxhall name is going, it's not :)
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Yeah, the Insignia is utter crap
The new one looks promising.
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Yeah, the Insignia is utter crap
The new one looks promising.
Hopefully :y
Seen a few shots of it, looking like VW CC. But not sure if that's just a special like the Ford Mondeo Vignale :-\
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While I'm not a fan of the French takeover getting rid of the Vauxhall name would probably be a bad move.
Back in the 80s Vauxhall dealers sold both Vauxhall and Opel, British buyers weren't that interested in the Opel product despite being identical.
People on here are saying Vauxhall make rubbish, Luton is building vans for VX, Opel, Nissan and Renault and elsmereport is producing the Astra and 2.8 V6 powering the insignia VXR. Is this really rubbish?
Best part of the Insignia. :y
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Yeah, the Insignia is utter crap
The new one looks promising.
Hopefully :y
Seen a few shots of it, looking like VW CC. But not sure if that's just a special like the Ford Mondeo Vignale :-\
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Looks pretty decent. :y
I like the crease in the side.
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Looks pretty decent. :y
I like the crease in the side.
You can get them put on any car for free in Asda car park :y
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Also who said Vauxhall name is going, it's not :)
Give it time. It may well happen. ;)
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Yeah, the Insignia is utter crap
The new one looks promising.
Hopefully :y
Seen a few shots of it, looking like VW CC. But not sure if that's just a special like the Ford Mondeo Vignale :-\
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Is it still FWD?.....then nope.
And crease is too much. It's trying too hard. :)
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Given that it hasn't been launched yet I can see GM holding it back for Buick and ROW Chevrolet...
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Overstyled shite,just like most current cars, imo. :)
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The plants won't close immediately, but Vauxhall/Opel brands are on borrowed time.
Oh and the A28 is an Australian product that happens to be made in Cheshire.
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Given that it hasn't been launched yet I can see GM holding it back for Buick and ROW Chevrolet...
You can order one now on Vauxhalls website. I Configured a top spec 2.0T Petrol with 8 speed auto comes in at £35,000 with all the bells and whistles! :o
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/new-vehicles/insignia-family/insignia-grand-sport/customiseyourcar.html
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You can order the Tesla Model 3 on their website... :-X
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2017 Geneva Motor Show - Opel
https://youtu.be/tB3QRFSBurg
They mention a little about the future with PSA, The new Insignia etc...
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2017 Geneva Motor Show - Opel
https://youtu.be/tB3QRFSBurg
They mention a little about the future with PSA, The new Insignia etc...
Cringeworthy...
The words Cool, Flashy, Sculpture and Exclusive should never be used in public to describe your product... The first two should, more importantly, never be used in the same sentence :D
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The plants won't close immediately, but Vauxhall/Opel brands are on borrowed time.
Oh and the A28 is an Australian product that happens to be made in Cheshire.
No its not, the High Feature V6 engine platform was a global development with support from Ricardo Plc (UK), Holden just did a bit of local tinkering on the platform for their local market and then Saab oversaw the turboing of it.
Tis a very good lump though.
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I note that the 3.6 version is available with up to 464hp :o
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Seen a few shots of it, looking like VW CC.
Oh dear. Makes it (in your words) "utter crap".
Sigh, another Vauxhall I won't be getting....
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You can order the Tesla Model 3 on their website... :-X
Only if you want something to look at...
...seems all their servers might have glitched, leaving cars with half done updates, and no amount of rebooting seems to properly clear the problem. And wont until Tesla's update servers are back.
For this very reason I would not even consider one, not that its viable anyway for me, as I can't charge at work.
Then there is the recent proof of concept hacking going on (which is probably why they are updating the vehicles system software).
Nah. Tries too hard, and fails miserably.
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I want a PROM in my next car, so you can only bugger about with the code when it's being made. :y
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2017 Geneva Motor Show - Opel
https://youtu.be/tB3QRFSBurg
They mention a little about the future with PSA, The new Insignia etc...
It's interesting how when he talks about the new Insignia's heritage mentioning the Diplomat, Kaptain etc, he totally bypasses the Omega and even the current Insignia.
The way he talks it looks like it's a full Opel project developed at Opel and which will influence following cars to come. So I guess Buick will also continue to use the same style after the split or will it be an one off for Buick? Because to Opel it doesn't seem so.
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It's been on sale as a Buick for 18 months... and I can't see GM giving away OnStar access indefinitely ::)
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They are built in Luton by a VX factory ?
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They are built in Luton by a VX factory ?
Nope that's Nissan/Renault vans ::)
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The Insignia GT is, or rather was, due to be the 2018 Holden Commodore...
That's that oppsed ::)
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Since back in the 2003, when the Opel said that Signum is a replacement for Omega, they are dead to me ;D ;D