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Title: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 March 2017, 12:16:13
Hypothetically speaking of course ;)

The PSA buyout got me thinking, especially the CEOs speech regarding Vauxhall workers having control of their futures by way of efficiency.

Would a relaunched Omega save or kill the company dead? It would be a 2017 spec car with all the safety kit and toys expected in this day and age, with a revamped drivetrain range and still be saloon or estate with unchanged styling.

Also bear in mind that the Luton van contracts may well fall by the wayside once Renault/Nissan have let the dust settle.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: zirk on 06 March 2017, 12:34:59
Unless something dramatically changed in my financial status, I would never buy a brand new car so thats how I voted.

I think a 2017 Omega could work, bearing in mind passenger room, RWD blah blah, but would seriously have to have much improved MPG by todays standards.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 March 2017, 12:40:40
Starting around £35000 for the poverty spec model and then heavily discounted, I think it would do well.

If I held the reins I would make sure it  came only with 6 or 8 or 12 cylinder engines. :)

No arthritic 4 pot lumps, and no diesel option.

A fine handling drivers car. :y

Can I place a deposit? :)
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 06 March 2017, 12:43:05
Starting around £35000 for the poverty spec model and then heavily discounted, I think it would do well.

If I held the reins I would make sure it  came only with 6 or 8 or 12 cylinder engines. :)

No arthritic 4 pot lumps, and no diesel option.

A fine handling drivers car. :y

Can I place a deposit? :)
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Would be great as a V8 , if that was available definitely a yes from me.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Bigron on 06 March 2017, 13:18:50
It would also be a great opportunity to iron out all of the regular faults from these models, i.e. improve accessibility, chain cam, a reliable HBV, NO b*stard bolts anywhere andall of the niggling things that we know about - they could always ask US!  :y

Ron.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Varche on 06 March 2017, 13:26:51
We were talking about this earlier.

Car manufacturers make what they think we want. If it has shortcomings like only in front wheel drive, they believe that the punter will still buy as more economical , even bigger diameter alloy wheels and so on.

How hard would it be for example to make a big engined version of the Insignia but rear wheel drive only? I know there would be transmission tunnel issues but....
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 March 2017, 13:41:31
We were talking about this earlier.

Car manufacturers make what they think we want. If it has shortcomings like only in front wheel drive, they believe that the punter will still buy as more economical , even bigger diameter alloy wheels and so on.

How hard would it be for example to make a big engined version of the Insignia but rear wheel drive only? I know there would be transmission tunnel issues but....
Buick released a prototype of such a thing at the Detritus show a couple of years ago... Looked like a cross between a Jag XJ and a current Chevrolet Caprice... Gorgeous it was  8)
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: TheBoy on 06 March 2017, 13:52:39
Nope, my days of new cars are over...
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2017, 15:14:37
The government will (already are) make it economically unviable to buy a big, petrol engined car. The price of a new omega would put it in the same price bracket as a beemer or merc, and badge snobbery would kill it stone dead.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: VXL V6 on 06 March 2017, 15:46:05
Nope, no new cars for me again.

However as a secondhand option yes, because it's resale value will be horrendous as no one will want one because it doesn't say Mercedes, BMW or Audi on it's arse.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 06 March 2017, 15:53:08
Nope, no new cars for me again.

However as a secondhand option yes, because it's resale value will be horrendous as no one will want one because it doesn't say Mercedes, BMW or Audi on it's arse.

Yep, same here. New cars don't represent good value for money, so I wouldn't buy anything new.

Once it's depreciated massively and got past the punitive £40k+ road tax band that it would probably attract, then maybe. :y
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 March 2017, 15:54:02
How hard would it be for example to make a big engined version of the Insignia but rear wheel drive only? I know there would be transmission tunnel issues but....

Not overly difficult as the Insignia is an AWD platform.....as is the Astra, Corsa etc...
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: X30XE on 06 March 2017, 17:18:34
Unchanged styling... for that reason alone I can't see the point in the poll tbh.   :-\
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 March 2017, 17:29:09
Unchanged styling... for that reason alone I can't see the point in the poll tbh.   :-\
It's hypothetical and everyone here seems to prefer the understated look compared to the Hyundai clone it would end up being if it were penned today...
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: X30XE on 06 March 2017, 17:33:12
Unchanged styling... for that reason alone I can't see the point in the poll tbh.   :-\
It's hypothetical and everyone here seems to prefer the understated look compared to the Hyundai clone it would end up being if it were penned today...

Well to answer your question based on this hypothesis... of course it would kill the company dead. Why on earth would anybody spend £35k on a 20yr old looking car when it isn't a Defender??  Stupid boy Pike  :D
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2017, 17:59:46
There is absolutely nothing about the front end of Vauxhall's of that era to like. When you're being followed by an astra, an omega or even a corsa, you just can't tell which one it is. The arse end of the omega was always the best bit.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: TheBoy on 06 March 2017, 18:14:59
There is absolutely nothing about the front end of Vauxhall's of that era to like. When you're being followed by an astra, an omega or even a corsa, you just can't tell which one it is. The arse end of the omega was always the best bit.
For the FL, yup, 100%.

PFL was at least unique.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: BazaJT on 06 March 2017, 18:27:01
I think they'd have to tweak the styling somewhat.Then of course if going petrol they'd probably fit it with something like a 3cyl 1L turbosupercharged engine so they could claim a gazillion mpg and a co2 figure you could grow daisies with,while knowing full well that no one has a hope of getting anywhere close as they'd have to thrash the backside out of it to actually get anywhere!Given the money would I buy a new car[of any type]?No I wouldn't given the budget to do so I'd buy a classic car not a newer one.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: cam.in.head on 07 March 2017, 09:52:55
Wasnt there supposed to be one anyway a few years back when the insignia came out. On google images im sure there were some pictures. It looked like a bigger version of the insignia without the side curves i seem to recall
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: cam.in.head on 07 March 2017, 09:54:22
Like the cadillac xts
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: tigers_gonads on 07 March 2017, 16:30:40
Starting around £35000 for the poverty spec model and then heavily discounted, I think it would do well.

If I held the reins I would make sure it  came only with 6 or 8 or 12 cylinder engines. :)

No arthritic 4 pot lumps, and no diesel option.

A fine handling drivers car. :y

Can I place a deposit? :)



Forget about the V8's and V12's unless they can shut down half of the cylinders when cruising.
Unless is a exotica brand, your stuck with 4 pots ranging upto a 6 pot turbo or turbo / supercharger or hybrid due to the leftie tree huggers quest for better emissions / mpg 
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Bigron on 07 March 2017, 16:38:42
Slightly off-topic, but why tree huggers? Trees NEED or CO2 emissions to exchange for oxygen - the untimate symbiotic relationship.  8)

Ron.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 March 2017, 16:48:45
Slightly off-topic, but why tree huggers? Trees NEED or CO2 emissions to exchange for oxygen - the untimate symbiotic relationship.  8)

Ron.
You can't educate stupidity :y
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: STEMO on 07 March 2017, 16:50:41
Slightly off-topic, but why tree huggers? Trees NEED or CO2 emissions to exchange for oxygen - the untimate symbiotic relationship.  8)

Ron.
You can't educate stupidity :y
See my classroom post  :y
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 March 2017, 17:00:46
A bit late as they tend to find sandals and veganism after leaving school whilst on a gap year of enlightenment...

Exhibit A...

https://youtu.be/25PkAx88WtU :y

Probably NWS though ;)
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 March 2017, 17:04:24
Starting around £35000 for the poverty spec model and then heavily discounted, I think it would do well.

If I held the reins I would make sure it  came only with 6 or 8 or 12 cylinder engines. :)

No arthritic 4 pot lumps, and no diesel option.

A fine handling drivers car. :y

Can I place a deposit? :)

Yes to all of that for me, but I think an 8 cylinder lump is the maximum that would fit into the "existing" blueprint. ;) :y :y
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Bigron on 07 March 2017, 17:24:53
It needed to be said, DG - but NWS? Wassat?

Ron.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: STEMO on 07 March 2017, 17:25:28
It needed to be said, DG - but NWS? Wassat?

Ron.
Not Work Safe, Ron.
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 March 2017, 17:29:20
Watching it would have pretty self explanatory  ;)
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 March 2017, 17:51:56
A bit late as they tend to find sandals and veganism after leaving school whilst on a gap year of enlightenment...

Exhibit A...

https://youtu.be/25PkAx88WtU :y

Probably NWS though ;)

Good on ya Will. ;D :y

His mum is quite sexy. :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: If Vauxhall relaunched the Omega as it is but with upto date kit...
Post by: Pmacca2000 on 07 March 2017, 19:02:11
Hard to say but not fair from my comments about a modern flagship