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Title: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Keith ABS on 09 March 2017, 07:42:47
  Honest John of the Saturday telegraph fame, has done an online write up about the mig as a fast approaching future classic.

Keith ABS
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Bigron on 09 March 2017, 09:25:30
Sounds good - is there a link, please?

Ron.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Pmacca2000 on 09 March 2017, 09:33:33
It's nice to read something we're Vauxhall are being praised for a change.
Shame he didn't cover the whole range though
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 09 March 2017, 09:58:15
There is real hope for mine then! :D :D :y

My gamble and hard work recently could well pay off.  I just have to persuade who ever insures my car that it is worth the money I say it is, without "negotiations" having to take place when the worst (a crash) happens ;D ;D
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 March 2017, 10:37:43
There is real hope for mine then! :D :D :y

My gamble and hard work recently could well pay off.  I just have to persuade who ever insures my car that it is worth the money I say it is, without "negotiations" having to take place when the worst (a crash) happens ;D ;D
Don't be surprised if it gets given a Category out of spite... My white one was written off before I received the written notification following the appraisal.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Bigron on 09 March 2017, 10:41:31
Lizzie, if you have spent time and money nurturing your car, it might be worth talking to insurers who specialise in covering vateran, vintage and restored cars; they operate an "agreed value" policy tnat reflects its worth to you and not just the Glasses Guide price.

Ron.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Pmacca2000 on 09 March 2017, 13:12:35
About 4 years ago Peter Best accepted my omega as an agreed value or £2000 on a classic basis with photographic evidence of her condition.
After a year plus in the garage I have found no one would give me classic status and every insurer states that a Vauxhall must reach 20 years old to be classed as a classic.
Annoying when you can buy a new jaguar and have it classed as. Classic before driving it from the dealers
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 March 2017, 15:10:58
Weve had this discussion many times. Consensus is, Omega will never reach serious classic status. Same as almost every other Vauxhall ever made unfortunately.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 March 2017, 15:56:40
Weve had this discussion many times. Consensus is, Omega will never reach serious classic status. Same as almost every other Vauxhall ever made unfortunately.
An L reg Omega project can be bought for a quarter of the price of a similar age Granada :-X
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Kevin Wood on 09 March 2017, 17:39:42
Weve had this discussion many times. Consensus is, Omega will never reach serious classic status. Same as almost every other Vauxhall ever made unfortunately.
An L reg Omega project can be bought for a quarter of the price of a similar age Granada :-X

I think what you're saying is that Vauxhall didn't make the facelift ugly enough... Unlike Ford. ;)
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 March 2017, 19:58:09
I was referring to the Mk3 rather than the frogmoose hybrid that was the Scorpio ;)
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 March 2017, 20:13:31
I was referring to the Mk3 rather than the frogmoose hybrid that was the Scorpio ;)

One ugly mother fooker. :-\
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 09 March 2017, 20:16:27
Lizzie, if you have spent time and enmoney nurturing your car, it might be worth talking to insurers who specialise in covering vateran, vintage and restored cars; they operate an "agreed value" policy tnat reflects its worth to you and not just the Glasses Guide price.

Ron.

Thanks Ron, that is good advice. I'll let my current policy run to it's end and then do what you suggest :y :y
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 09 March 2017, 20:18:11
About 4 years ago Peter Best accepted my omega as an agreed value or £2000 on a classic basis with photographic evidence of her condition.
After a year plus in the garage I have found no one would give me classic status and every insurer states that a Vauxhall must reach 20 years old to be classed as a classic.
Annoying when you can buy a new jaguar and have it classed as. Classic before driving it from the dealers

Thanks. Just another 6 years to go then  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: BazaJT on 09 March 2017, 20:23:09
The Omega may indeed one day acquire classic status and when it does mine will still be worth half of sod all :D ;D
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 March 2017, 20:28:08
Don't hold your breath :D
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 09 March 2017, 20:37:00
Nice ones will be "interesting" at car shows in a few years but I can't see them being high value classics.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Zirfeld on 09 March 2017, 20:38:10
My most trusted friend on 4 wheels was a 83 Granada 2.3 Ghia. She carried me from Bremen to far east Ukraine. Adventure tours pure in the mid 90s. I think this car saved my life. We broke barricades, some bandits set up at 3 AM in the morning in the middle of nowhere...we followed the Lada Niva of the local police chief (I bring you out from here) through indescribable forest way, drunk as could be...these stories can fill a book...

But the mission was successful and the Granada carried us back to civilisation...slightly damaged of course, but driveable.

Rolf
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: zirk on 09 March 2017, 20:48:36
Cant see it happening tbh, theres just too many of them still kicking around, problem is the Omega is now seen as a cheap run arounds (sorry but generally talking about GLS, CD, CDX 4 and 6 pots here) that can be picked up for next to nothing if you can afford the fuel, then there good to go for at least until the MOT ceases to work anymore, then the new owner of a cheap car is faced with spending money or scraping it, the later normally happens FOC unless there a dedicated owner,  :-\

My view is the later, low'ish millage, Elites and MV6's in good nick will hold some vaule (Ex Plods are really strong now, if you can find them), but that later spec vehicles would need to hold out from the dreaded rust virus to become a true Classic Car before it falls in the hands of the Scrapers.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 March 2017, 20:51:47
Eastern Ukraine hasn't changed much in the last 30 years then... ::)

First car was a 2.3 LX in Nimbus Grey 8) Last Mk2 Granada was a manual 2.8i Ghia X in... Nimbus Grey over Strato Silver 8)

Miss both, but for different reasons :'(
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: zirk on 09 March 2017, 21:03:06
Eastern Ukraine hasn't changed much in the last 30 years then... ::)

First car was a 2.3 LX in Nimbus Grey 8) Last Mk2 Granada was a manual 2.8i Ghia X in... Nimbus Grey over Strato Silver 8)

Miss both, but for different reasons :'(
A friend of mine had a really nice black Saloon one of them quiet a few years back, it was really tidy and a lovely example, He spent a fortune on it keeping it in tip top nick until it slid of the car ramps outside his house whilst he was underneath and nearly killed him, that was it, he's miss's was having none of it, it had to go. I was so tempted to buy of him, but had just done my money on a Sapphire Cosworth at the time.  :(
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 09 March 2017, 21:16:19
They were nice I had two MK1s 3.0 GL & a 3.0 Ghia in Jupiter Red with a black vinyl roof, swopped it for a MK 2 2.3 LX big mistake.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 March 2017, 21:30:08
I suspect my 2.3 was running 2.8 carbs and had been tuned properly... was considerably quicker than it should have been...

Junction 5 of the M20 to check in at Dover in a snip under 19 minutes without speeding in Dover was apparently doable...
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 09 March 2017, 21:50:14
Still enjoy seeing them in the Sweeney, brings back memories. 😉
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Zirfeld on 09 March 2017, 21:51:46
Hi Gollum

After Granada time I came back to Opel. Senator. With my "B 24V" I did Bremen - Berlin (415 Km door to door) in 125 minutes. Nightflight of course.....
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Kevin Wood on 09 March 2017, 21:58:23
I was referring to the Mk3 rather than the frogmoose hybrid that was the Scorpio ;)
Indeed. Hence my point that the facelift Omega wasn't ugly enough (to push up prices of the inferior PFL).
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 March 2017, 22:01:55
Slight digression ::)

True Classics are cars which fall into one of a few categories: genuinely rare, ie aluminium bodied '60s Ferrari convertibles; achingly gorgeous; cars our parents owned; our first cars... some cars are slow burners, look at the W116 Mercedes for example... only just coming into its own, compared to the W108... a classic the second they stopped making it 8)

As far as the Omega goes, it might just become a Classic in our time, but I suspect that we're a generation or two ahead of those who will appreciate it as such...

In the immortal words of Marty McFly... I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 March 2017, 22:03:44
I was referring to the Mk3 rather than the frogmoose hybrid that was the Scorpio ;)
Indeed. Hence my point that the facelift Omega wasn't ugly enough (to push up prices of the inferior PFL).
I still maintain that the Omega is the car the Scorpio should have been... especially in Facelift form :-\
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 March 2017, 22:04:47
Hi Gollum

After Granada time I came back to Opel. Senator. With my "B 24V" I did Bremen - Berlin (415 Km door to door) in 125 minutes. Nightflight of course.....
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It's the only time to travel 8)
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 09 March 2017, 22:08:26
The W108 Merc, absolutely right Gollum a truly beautiful car could have picked one up in the seventies for a song , hindsight a wonderful thing!
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Zirfeld on 09 March 2017, 22:10:34
If a nice girl is waiting, it is a good reason to put the hammer down....
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Pmacca2000 on 09 March 2017, 22:30:37
All I know is that people are already passing comments and asking me about my omega, may become an "i remember those" car?
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: zirk on 09 March 2017, 23:07:55
I was referring to the Mk3 rather than the frogmoose hybrid that was the Scorpio ;)
Indeed. Hence my point that the facelift Omega wasn't ugly enough (to push up prices of the inferior PFL).
I still maintain that the Omega is the car the Scorpio should have been... especially in Facelift form :-\
I had the 2.9 24V Cosworth Ultima for a while, was a nice drive, when it wasn't thinking about breaking down, made a lovely noise when you floored it as well, Overdrive was handy, they should have made a Manual version of though.

Back leather seats were gorgeous, friends would fight to sit in than back rather than the front, just a shame it looked so ugly.  :D
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Pmacca2000 on 10 March 2017, 06:49:02
There was an Opel senator A on eBay classic section a few months ago and that was up for £8-9000 if memory serves so maybe ?
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: aaronjb on 10 March 2017, 09:29:08
True Classics are cars which fall into one of a few categories: genuinely rare, ie aluminium bodied '60s Ferrari convertibles; achingly gorgeous; cars our parents owned; our first cars... some cars are slow burners, look at the W116 Mercedes for example... only just coming into its own, compared to the W108... a classic the second they stopped making it 8)

I have to google those model designations every time ;D I pass an R107 on my commute a lot of mornings - I'd take one of those. Or a W198 if I ever win the lottery! ;)
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Pmacca2000 on 12 March 2017, 07:33:41
The current Astra could make it as a classic, one of the last GM cars ?
Just depends what psa do next
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 March 2017, 09:46:00
The current Astra could make it as a classic, one of the last GM cars ?
Just depends what psa do next
Not in our lifetime ;D
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Nick W on 13 March 2017, 23:01:55
I suspect my 2.3 was running 2.8 carbs and had been tuned properly... was considerably quicker than it should have been...

Junction 5 of the M20 to check in at Dover in a snip under 19 minutes without speeding in Dover was apparently doable...


Apparently ;D ;D ;D ;D  That's 43 miles, including at least 5 miles not on a dual carriageway , much of it through town.
I've done near J8 to halfway down the A230, half that distance, in 20 minutes(and J6 is less than a mile from J5) at midnight in a tuned 2.9 Capri that required a really heavy right foot, and halved my usual fuel economy.
But then I knew people who apparently had genuine 150mph RS Turbos, so what do I know?
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 March 2017, 04:28:00
It doesn't average out that fast for the motorway stretch.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 March 2017, 06:10:24
Actual time 'might' have been 24 minutes... But it was over 20 years ago and was a timed run because the speedo suffered from a floating worm drive causing intermittence.

I knew a bloke who banger raced them and he always maintained that it was one of the quickest 2.3s he had driven.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: The Red Baron on 14 March 2017, 14:37:29
Well, I'm hanging on to my 99 built mfl 3l mv6 saloon. I'm sure it will be sought after one day.  :y
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Webby the Bear on 14 March 2017, 18:12:55
I suppose the question is whether you want it to be called a classic (ie folk often ask about your motor with awe) or it's a classic where it's going to be of much value.

I personally see it gauging interest from older folk as the years go on. I can't see it being worth anything in the near future. Could be wrong of course 😀
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 March 2017, 19:22:42
Well, I'm hanging on to my 99 built mfl 3l mv6 saloon. I'm sure it will be sought after one day.  :y
Scrappage is making a comeback :D
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Pmacca2000 on 14 March 2017, 21:25:46
I know my standard CD has begun to generate a bit of interest when I'm at the pumps,  nice care mate, not many of my them about etc.
This has taken some getting used too as I've never driven a car that's generated this much interest before.
Financially I will argue that it costs me less to look after my omega a year than it does to keep smokers and drinkers in comfort for the same amount of time and while it's no multi million pound classic it does make me feel special when people give admiring glances and comment on her condition.
On those grounds I'd say yes it's a classic.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2017, 21:28:54
Give me strength..... ;D
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 March 2017, 21:32:07
Normally I would suggest that you couldn't make this shit up...

... apparently you can ::)
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Nick W on 14 March 2017, 21:45:59
Give me strength..... ;D


I don't have any to spare ;D


Give it another ten years, when the coffin dodger at the pump asks Is that really a Bedford Omikron? and you'll be able to call it a classic. Then you can push it home, and consider gluing a roadsign into the floor if you've managed to convince the knackered transmission to provide some drive again.
Title: Re: Omega as a future classic
Post by: Webby the Bear on 15 March 2017, 07:40:31
 ;D